GPL FF or not

ff or not,and why. MSF Sidewinder. Thanks Joe.

> ff or not,and why. > MSF Sidewinder. > Thanks Joe. I would say not - why pay 50 for something that shakes itself to bits? (Sorry - couldn't resist.) I think the answer you'll get from the ng is yes go for FF - on the basis that "more is better". I'm just jealous because I cannot justify it until my TM sprint falls to pieces - and it is proving to be annoyingly reliable. The other option (for me) is to attempt to quietly introduce a FF wheel without rest of family noticing the selfish disregard for family finances. -- Steven who would make a poor Jedi.

I have a MSFF and on GPL, it is unbelieveable how much FF adds to this game! As you turn hard, you can feel the car get loose on your wheel and you can react backwards to correct like you would in a real race car at this speed.....You can now get msff for 109.00 (www.proadvantage.com or other places now). SO if you have it why now add another wheel and switch back/forth if you like both wheels PassedYa

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> > ff or not,and why. > > MSF Sidewinder. > > Thanks Joe. > I would say not - why pay 50 for something that shakes itself to > bits? (Sorry - couldn't resist.) > I think the answer you'll get from the ng is yes go for FF - on the > basis that "more is better". > I'm just jealous because I cannot justify it until my > TM sprint falls to pieces - and it is proving to be annoyingly reliable. > The other option (for me) is to attempt to quietly introduce a FF wheel > without rest of family noticing the selfish disregard for family > finances. > -- > Steven > who would make a poor Jedi.

I already have a ff MSF sidewinder but i keep hearing ff hurts laptimes.Is this true

Is that a wheel or joystick you already have? or are you thinking of buying one? I use FF in my MSFF wheel, without FF it was....well terrible...MSFF is just pure carbage without FF enabled....

I'm not sure, I run an MSFF and it took me ages to get back to my previous times I set using a TM F1. I have now beat those times but can't help feeling that I could go faster with a non FF wheel. The reason IMO is the amount of time it takes to turn the wheel to correct from a slide. I'm going to try a non FF wheel in the not so distant future, if I get faster I'll let you know ;) -- Ian Parker UKGPL League http://members.xoom.com/ukgpl/index.html http://www.ukgpl.com --

Robert Jordan schrieb: I think I`ll get this wheel for GPL. My only question: Do I need to have a midi port at my soundcard to get it to work cause I have only a old SB16 with IMHO no midi port. Thanks! Lutz -- Home: http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/8059/

Ian Parker schrieb: Why don`t you switch off FF for GPL - is this possible? Maybe it`s without FF like the MS Precision Racing Wheel? Lutz -- Home: http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/8059/

Marko Viitanen schrieb: Why? Perhaps it`s without FF the same like the MS Precision Wheel? Lutz -- Home: http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/8059/

The MSFF wheel without the FF on is absolutely terrible for GPL, I don't know about the non FF MS wheel but it is probably better than the FF without forces, although as far as I know it doesn't use the optical sensors. -- Ian Parker UKGPL League http://members.xoom.com/ukgpl/index.html http://www.ukgpl.com --

Only if you drive badly...I find that a stupid move gets punished more by a FFB wheel...a non-FFB wheel can just be yanked back to it's correct/best position in a flash. The FFB wheel will provide too much resistance to do that in GPL. But when you are driving reasonably well, there is no comparison...the FFB makes the game that much more immersive and "real". Marc.

For me, GPL is essentially impossible without force feedback. I tried it for weeks when I bought the game, and despite knowing that slower is faster and that smoother is a lot more likely to stay on the track, I never could manage it at all. I probably had some control setup problems too, but I really did expect that I'd be able to stay on the track with GPL after probably 10,000 laps in other sims. I didn't even care (yet) about being fast. In two weeks I probably managed to stay on the track at the Glen about ten laps, and I basically put the game away. Then I bought a Logitech FF, for other games. Holy smokes, what a difference! Now I can even correct a spin (well, some of them) by feeling the wheel and feeding opposite lock, something I've been able to do only rarely with ANY sim. I now spend nearly all of my sim racing time with GPL. > I have a MSFF and on GPL, it is unbelieveable how much FF adds to this game! > As you turn hard, you can feel the car get loose on your wheel and you can > react backwards to correct like you would in a real race car at this > speed.....You can now get msff for 109.00 (www.proadvantage.com or other

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> places now). SO if you have it why now add another wheel and switch > back/forth if you like both wheels > PassedYa > > > ff or not,and why. > > > MSF Sidewinder. > > > Thanks Joe. > > I would say not - why pay 50 for something that shakes itself to > > bits? (Sorry - couldn't resist.) > > I think the answer you'll get from the ng is yes go for FF - on the > > basis that "more is better". > > I'm just jealous because I cannot justify it until my > > TM sprint falls to pieces - and it is proving to be annoyingly

reliable. > > The other option (for me) is to attempt to quietly introduce a FF wheel > > without rest of family noticing the selfish disregard for family > > finances. > > -- > > Steven > > who would make a poor Jedi. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

blah don't be a whiner. I ran a 1:06 in the demo with a NASCAR Pro and 13 15fps

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>For me, GPL is essentially impossible without force feedback. >I tried it for weeks when I bought the game, and despite knowing >that slower is faster and that smoother is a lot more likely to >stay on the track, I never could manage it at all. I probably >had some control setup problems too, but I really did expect >that I'd be able to stay on the track with GPL after probably >10,000 laps in other sims. I didn't even care (yet) about being >fast. In two weeks I probably managed to stay on the track >at the Glen about ten laps, and I basically put the game away. >Then I bought a Logitech FF, for other games. Holy smokes, >what a difference! Now I can even correct a spin (well, some >of them) by feeling the wheel and feeding opposite lock, >something I've been able to do only rarely with ANY sim. I >now spend nearly all of my sim racing time with GPL. >> I have a MSFF and on GPL, it is unbelieveable how much FF adds to >this game! >> As you turn hard, you can feel the car get loose on your wheel and >you can >> react backwards to correct like you would in a real race car at this >> speed.....You can now get msff for 109.00 (www.proadvantage.com or >other >> places now). SO if you have it why now add another wheel and switch >> back/forth if you like both wheels >> PassedYa >> > > ff or not,and why. >> > > MSF Sidewinder. >> > > Thanks Joe. >> > I would say not - why pay 50 for something that shakes itself to >> > bits? (Sorry - couldn't resist.) >> > I think the answer you'll get from the ng is yes go for FF - on the >> > basis that "more is better". >> > I'm just jealous because I cannot justify it until my >> > TM sprint falls to pieces - and it is proving to be annoyingly >reliable. >> > The other option (for me) is to attempt to quietly introduce a FF >wheel >> > without rest of family noticing the selfish disregard for family >> > finances. >> > -- >> > Steven >> > who would make a poor Jedi. >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy.

Big words from Mr. "GPL is hell, I need help" <G> > blah don't be a whiner. I ran a 1:06 in the demo with a NASCAR Pro and 13

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> 15fps > >For me, GPL is essentially impossible without force feedback. > >I tried it for weeks when I bought the game, and despite knowing > >that slower is faster and that smoother is a lot more likely to > >stay on the track, I never could manage it at all. I probably > >had some control setup problems too, but I really did expect > >that I'd be able to stay on the track with GPL after probably > >10,000 laps in other sims. I didn't even care (yet) about being > >fast. In two weeks I probably managed to stay on the track > >at the Glen about ten laps, and I basically put the game away. > >Then I bought a Logitech FF, for other games. Holy smokes, > >what a difference! Now I can even correct a spin (well, some > >of them) by feeling the wheel and feeding opposite lock, > >something I've been able to do only rarely with ANY sim. I > >now spend nearly all of my sim racing time with GPL. > >> I have a MSFF and on GPL, it is unbelieveable how much FF adds to > >this game! > >> As you turn hard, you can feel the car get loose on your wheel

and > >you can > >> react backwards to correct like you would in a real race car at this > >> speed.....You can now get msff for 109.00 (www.proadvantage.com or > >other > >> places now). SO if you have it why now add another wheel and switch

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> >> back/forth if you like both wheels > >> PassedYa > >> > > ff or not,and why. > >> > > MSF Sidewinder. > >> > > Thanks Joe. > >> > I would say not - why pay 50 for something that shakes itself

to > >> > bits? (Sorry - couldn't resist.) > >> > I think the answer you'll get from the ng is yes go for FF - on the

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> >> > basis that "more is better". > >> > I'm just jealous because I cannot justify it until my > >> > TM sprint falls to pieces - and it is proving to be annoyingly > >reliable. > >> > The other option (for me) is to attempt to quietly introduce a

FF > >wheel > >> > without rest of family noticing the selfish disregard for family

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> >> > finances. > >> > -- > >> > Steven > >> > who would make a poor Jedi. > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > >Before you buy.

>blah don't be a whiner. I ran a 1:06 in the demo with a NASCAR Pro and 13 >15fps Jeez, what's up with you? As I recall, you've gotten hundreds of lines of good and useful advice over the past two or three weeks on how to simply keep the car on the track. What qualifies YOU for taking ***y shots at people? Kurt

I think you midunderstood what I tried to say. I was just simply reacting to the person who said FF is a MUST to drive GPL. I didn't mean it to be offenseive or anything

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>>blah don't be a whiner. I ran a 1:06 in the demo with a NASCAR Pro and 13 >>15fps >Jeez, what's up with you? As I recall, you've gotten hundreds of lines of >good and useful advice over the past two or three weeks on how to simply >keep the car on the track. >What qualifies YOU for taking ***y shots at people? >Kurt

FF is must only after you've tried it... BTW. Nascar Pro actually is quite fast little piece of carbage...I had one too... > I think you midunderstood what I tried to say. I was just simply reacting to

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> the person who said FF is a MUST to drive GPL. I didn't mean it to be > offenseive or anything > >>blah don't be a whiner. I ran a 1:06 in the demo with a NASCAR Pro and

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> >>15fps > >Jeez, what's up with you? As I recall, you've gotten hundreds of lines of > >good and useful advice over the past two or three weeks on how to simply > >keep the car on the track. > >What qualifies YOU for taking ***y shots at people? > >Kurt

If anything, I think FF will slow you down because you have to put the extra efford to turn the wheel. But I have to see the difference when mine arrives

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>FF is must only after you've tried it... >BTW. Nascar Pro actually is quite fast little piece of carbage...I had one >too... >> I think you midunderstood what I tried to say. I was just simply reacting >to >> the person who said FF is a MUST to drive GPL. I didn't mean it to be >> offenseive or anything >> >>blah don't be a whiner. I ran a 1:06 in the demo with a NASCAR Pro and >13 >> >>15fps >> >Jeez, what's up with you? As I recall, you've gotten hundreds of lines

of >> >good and useful advice over the past two or three weeks on how to simply >> >keep the car on the track. >> >What qualifies YOU for taking ***y shots at people? >> >Kurt

Well, thank you, I feel much better now that I know I would be much quicker without this FF. It's not up to me after all ;) > If anything, I think FF will slow you down because you have to put the extra > efford to turn the wheel. But I have to see the difference when mine arrives > >FF is must only after you've tried it... > >BTW. Nascar Pro actually is quite fast little piece of carbage...I had one > >too...