Best racing wheel for GPL

Hi! Whats the best racing wheel for GPL (without Force Feedback)? Somebody told me the Thrustmaster Formula One isn't availabe anymore? Is this true? I`m thinking about getting the TM Formula Sprint or TM Nascar Super Sports. BTW: Does GPL run with Voodoo 3? Thanks Lutz -- Home: http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/8059/

Well i have the TM Sprint and...while its a good wheel...the pedals leave alot to be desired. If it were a perfect world i could buy the TM Super Sport pedals seperate and use them with my Sprint wheel. But alas its not a perfect. Best advice is to look around in stores and find what has the best feel to you. And yes...GPL runs excently on a Voodoo3. Chris

I've tried and owned many wheels. To date, the most accurate non-FF wheel I've tried is the MadCatz Andretti wheel. It is the only wheel that I switched to (including my current Ferrari FF wheel) where I actually decreased lap times. Its digital, has a stick shifter and paddle shifters (well, big buttons on the back of the wheel, really) and the pedal base is real good (about 12 pounds). The pedals are the highest quality, but the travel is too much, with the last 1/4 of travel being dead space. But this is easily fixed by putting stoppers to shorten the throw. The rim of the wheel is a nice hard *** and nicely shaped, but its not padded enough. Its a little better than a TM Nascar Pro wheel. The stick shifter has an excellent knob. All in all, for accurate driving, this wheel has it. Keep in mind, I have not tried the non-FF Act Labs wheel. Oh, on a possible down side, it doesn't support split axis on the pedals. To some people this matters. Slot "No matter how hard you try, you can't baptize a cat." (Jen)

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>Hi! >Whats the best racing wheel for GPL (without Force Feedback)? >Somebody told me the Thrustmaster Formula One isn't availabe anymore? >Is this true? >I`m thinking about getting the TM Formula Sprint >or TM Nascar Super Sports. >BTW: Does GPL run with Voodoo 3? >Thanks >Lutz >-- >Home: [link lost in import]

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> Hi! > Whats the best racing wheel for GPL (without Force Feedback)? > Somebody told me the Thrustmaster Formula One isn't availabe anymore? > Is this true? > I`m thinking about getting the TM Formula Sprint > or TM Nascar Super Sports. > BTW: Does GPL run with Voodoo 3? > Thanks > Lutz > -- > Home: http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/8059/

I've used a TM sprint for about a year. Its quite good value and still works. The pedals are a bit small and suffer from being on the same axis (i.e. some games may fail to detect the difference between releasing the acellerator and braking). Also, I had to contact thrustmaster support to obtain a replacement set of pedals when one of the potentiometers for the pedals starting getting "noisy". Thrustmaster support were extremely good, but I am beginning to see a similar problem emerge with the new pedal base. You can avoid using the pedals by using the pedals behind the wheel as a split axis accellerator and brake - but I've never found this intuitive. On reflection, the TM sprint is a good wheel - but its a budget item. If buying again, I would probably ensure I find better pedals with spilt axes. Steve

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> Hi! > Whats the best racing wheel for GPL (without Force Feedback)? > Somebody told me the Thrustmaster Formula One isn't availabe anymore? > Is this true? > I`m thinking about getting the TM Formula Sprint > or TM Nascar Super Sports. > BTW: Does GPL run with Voodoo 3? > Thanks > Lutz > -- > Home: http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/8059/

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Yeah....well you can't never be fast with single axis...so skip the idea and get one with split axis :)

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> I've tried and owned many wheels. To date, the most accurate non-FF wheel > I've tried is the MadCatz Andretti wheel. It is the only wheel that I > switched to (including my current Ferrari FF wheel) where I actually > decreased lap times. Its digital, has a stick shifter and paddle shifters > (well, big buttons on the back of the wheel, really) and the pedal base is > real good (about 12 pounds). The pedals are the highest quality, but the > travel is too much, with the last 1/4 of travel being dead space. But this > is easily fixed by putting stoppers to shorten the throw. The rim of the > wheel is a nice hard *** and nicely shaped, but its not padded enough. > Its a little better than a TM Nascar Pro wheel. The stick shifter has an > excellent knob. All in all, for accurate driving, this wheel has it. Keep

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> mind, I have not tried the non-FF Act Labs wheel. Oh, on a possible down > side, it doesn't support split axis on the pedals. To some people this > matters. > Slot > "No matter how hard you try, you can't baptize a cat." > (Jen) > >Hi! > >Whats the best racing wheel for GPL (without Force Feedback)? > >Somebody told me the Thrustmaster Formula One isn't availabe anymore? > >Is this true? > >I`m thinking about getting the TM Formula Sprint > >or TM Nascar Super Sports. > >BTW: Does GPL run with Voodoo 3? > >Thanks > >Lutz > >-- > >Home: [link lost in import]

Hi! Thanks for your reply GTX_SlotCar schrieb: How much is this wheel? And I`m not shure if I get it over here in Germany... But it sounds good...

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> switched to (including my current Ferrari FF wheel) where I actually > decreased lap times. Its digital, has a stick shifter and paddle shifters > (well, big buttons on the back of the wheel, really) and the pedal base is > real good (about 12 pounds). The pedals are the highest quality, but the > travel is too much, with the last 1/4 of travel being dead space. But this > is easily fixed by putting stoppers to shorten the throw. The rim of the > wheel is a nice hard *** and nicely shaped, but its not padded enough. > Its a little better than a TM Nascar Pro wheel. The stick shifter has an > excellent knob. All in all, for accurate driving, this wheel has it. Keep in > mind, I have not tried the non-FF Act Labs wheel. Oh, on a possible down > side, it doesn't support split axis on the pedals. To some people this > matters. > Slot > "No matter how hard you try, you can't baptize a cat." > (Jen) > >Hi! > >Whats the best racing wheel for GPL (without Force Feedback)? > >Somebody told me the Thrustmaster Formula One isn't availabe anymore? > >Is this true? > >I`m thinking about getting the TM Formula Sprint > >or TM Nascar Super Sports. > >BTW: Does GPL run with Voodoo 3? > >Thanks > >Lutz > >-- > >Home: [link lost in import]

Thanks Lutz -- Home: http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/8059/

Rory S. Brown schrieb: Well - "slightly" too expensive for me :-) What about wheels for aprox 100-150 US Dollar? Lutz -- Home: http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/8059/

Marko Viitanen schrieb: Why? Which wheels have split Axis? What about the MS Precision Wheel? Lutz -- Home: http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/8059/

Lutz, some track records are held by a guy using a joystick to drive. I assure you it doesn't have split axis. And I don't thing the MS FF does either. Slot >Marko Viitanen schrieb: >> Yeah....well you can't never be fast with single axis...so skip the idea and

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>> get one with split axis :) >Why? Which wheels have split Axis? What about the MS Precision Wheel? >Lutz >-- >Home: http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/8059/

% Hi! % Whats the best racing wheel for GPL (without Force Feedback)? % Somebody told me the Thrustmaster Formula One isn't availabe anymore? % Is this true? % I`m thinking about getting the TM Formula Sprint % or TM Nascar Super Sports. Go for the Super Sport over the Sprint. The pedals are excellent on the Super Sport and the steering I feel is more precise than the Sprint. There is a new 'digital' USB wheel from Thrustmaster that seems to be a combination of the TM Formula 1 and the Super Sport for about the same price. % BTW: Does GPL run with Voodoo 3? Yes, very well. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

He doesn't care about being fast, just wants to beat you :) Slot >Yeah....well you can't never be fast with single axis...so skip the idea and

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>get one with split axis :) >> I've tried and owned many wheels. To date, the most accurate non-FF wheel >> I've tried is the MadCatz Andretti wheel. It is the only wheel that I >> switched to (including my current Ferrari FF wheel) where I actually >> decreased lap times. Its digital, has a stick shifter and paddle shifters >> (well, big buttons on the back of the wheel, really) and the pedal base

is >> real good (about 12 pounds). The pedals are the highest quality, but the >> travel is too much, with the last 1/4 of travel being dead space. But this

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>> is easily fixed by putting stoppers to shorten the throw. The rim of the >> wheel is a nice hard *** and nicely shaped, but its not padded enough. >> Its a little better than a TM Nascar Pro wheel. The stick shifter has an >> excellent knob. All in all, for accurate driving, this wheel has it. Keep >in >> mind, I have not tried the non-FF Act Labs wheel. Oh, on a possible down >> side, it doesn't support split axis on the pedals. To some people this >> matters. >> Slot >> "No matter how hard you try, you can't baptize a cat." >> (Jen) >> >Hi! >> >Whats the best racing wheel for GPL (without Force Feedback)? >> >Somebody told me the Thrustmaster Formula One isn't availabe anymore? >> >Is this true? >> >I`m thinking about getting the TM Formula Sprint >> >or TM Nascar Super Sports. >> >BTW: Does GPL run with Voodoo 3? >> >Thanks >> >Lutz >> >-- >> >Home: [link lost in import]

Slot -- Microsoft FF has split axis. In my opinion, trying to get good at GPL is gonna be real hard without a split axis controller. And if it's within the guy's budget, it's silly (imo) to recommend to the contrary. Also, I'd be willing to bet that all the fast guys who drive with sticks use separate split axis pedals for brake and throttle. Kurt

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>Lutz, some track records are held by a guy using a joystick to drive. I >assure you it doesn't have split axis. And I don't thing the MS FF does >either. >Slot >>Marko Viitanen schrieb: >>> Yeah....well you can't never be fast with single axis...so skip the idea >and >>> get one with split axis :) >>Why? Which wheels have split Axis? What about the MS Precision Wheel? >>Lutz >>-- >>Home: http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/8059/

Wolfgang I think uses pedals and a stick. The pedals are split axis if I am correct, but I am just assuming since I have never met the man or seen his setup, I have only heard rumors. Dave

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> Lutz, some track records are held by a guy using a joystick to drive. I > assure you it doesn't have split axis. And I don't thing the MS FF does > either. > Slot > >Marko Viitanen schrieb: > >> Yeah....well you can't never be fast with single axis...so skip the

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> and > >> get one with split axis :) > >Why? Which wheels have split Axis? What about the MS Precision Wheel? > >Lutz > >-- > >Home: http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/8059/

Yeah and MSFF sure is _also with_ split axis, unlike mister Slotcar thinks ;)

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> Wolfgang I think uses pedals and a stick. The pedals are split axis if I > am correct, but I am just assuming since I have never met the man or seen > his setup, I have only heard rumors. > Dave > > Lutz, some track records are held by a guy using a joystick to drive. I > > assure you it doesn't have split axis. And I don't thing the MS FF does > > either. > > Slot > > >Marko Viitanen schrieb: > > >> Yeah....well you can't never be fast with single axis...so skip the > idea > > and > > >> get one with split axis :) > > >Why? Which wheels have split Axis? What about the MS Precision Wheel? > > >Lutz > > >-- > > >Home: [link lost in import]

Kurt, I yield to your superior knowledge of the game. As I am new to GPL (but not to racing) I assumed that more precise steering would be more beneficial than split axis, especially since Wolfgang uses a stick. I never considered that he could have split axis pedals with it. I bet with an hour's time and $10 worth of parts, I could wire an Andretti wheel for switchable split axis. If you've never tried one, its incredibly accurate. Of course the trouble with all the wheels I own and have used, I've only used one of each (except for the CH EXL500s which I used to package with the computers I sold) so they could vary in quality. Slot

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>Slot -- >Microsoft FF has split axis. In my opinion, trying to get good at GPL is >gonna be real hard without a split axis controller. And if it's within the >guy's budget, it's silly (imo) to recommend to the contrary. >Also, I'd be willing to bet that all the fast guys who drive with sticks

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>separate split axis pedals for brake and throttle. >Kurt >>Lutz, some track records are held by a guy using a joystick to drive. I >>assure you it doesn't have split axis. And I don't thing the MS FF does >>either. >>Slot >>>Marko Viitanen schrieb: >>>> Yeah....well you can't never be fast with single axis...so skip the

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>>and >>>> get one with split axis :) >>>Why? Which wheels have split Axis? What about the MS Precision Wheel? >>>Lutz >>>-- >>>Home: http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/8059/

Rumor is Wolfgang is not from this planet so he doesn't count. The more I get into gpl the more I learn that you drive with your feet, and I can't imagine ever getting really good at it with single axis pedals. Here's a great page for wiring diagrams and home built wheels in general. wiring diagrams http://www.gunpowder.freeserve.co.uk/wheels/wiring.htm main page http://www.gunpowder.freeserve.co.uk/wheels/ -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C.

GTX_SlotCar schrieb: Has the MS Precision Wheel spit axis or not?? Asking the other way: Is the MS Precision Wheel identical to the MS FF but without FF?? Thanks! Lutz -- Home: http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/8059/

Because of the wacky way that I must configure my controls to get them to work in tandem, I have my CH pedals configured for single axis. I use a MS Sidewinder Precision Pro joystick hooked up through USB and a CH Flightstick and pedals hooked to the gameport because that was the only way I could get the pedals to work properly without rewiring (just laziness on my part!). That gives me so many possible axises (is that proper usage? :-)) that the pedals can only be on a single axis set-up although I dont use the CH stck at all except for it's connector. To make a long story only slightly shorter - I ran a personal best last week in the high 1:26's at monza and run 1:28s and 29's pretty regularly - so it is possible to go fast on one axis pedals. Most fast guys that I chat with talk about trail braking into Parabolica being important to consistently fast times though and split axis pedals help immensly when trail braking, so I guess I'm going to have to break down and rewire my pedals after all. I do agree that Wolfgang is simply beyond human comparison though - and I use his setups all the time because they work extremely well for people using a joystick instead of a wheel - although I can't figure out why I'm not as fast as he is if we are using the same setups.............hmmmm. (not really! LOL) RB (also known in VROC as Jean-Jaques the Evil Cat, for wholly unexplainable reasons) > >Kurt, > >I yield to your superior knowledge of the game. As I am new to GPL (but not > >to racing) I assumed that more precise steering would be more beneficial > >than split axis, especially since Wolfgang uses a stick. I never considered > >that he could have split axis pedals with it. > >I bet with an hour's time and $10 worth of parts, I could wire an Andretti > >wheel for switchable split axis. If you've never tried one, its incredibly

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> >accurate. Of course the trouble with all the wheels I own and have used, > >I've only used one of each (except for the CH EXL500s which I used to > >package with the computers I sold) so they could vary in quality. > >Slot > Rumor is Wolfgang is not from this planet so he doesn't count. The more I

get > into gpl the more I learn that you drive with your feet, and I can't imagine

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> ever getting really good at it with single axis pedals. > Here's a great page for wiring diagrams and home built wheels in general. > wiring diagrams > http://www.gunpowder.freeserve.co.uk/wheels/wiring.htm > main page > http://www.gunpowder.freeserve.co.uk/wheels/ > -- > Don Scurlock > Vancouver,B.C.