NASCAR outlaws any computerized or telemetry devices during race weekends.
I am sure some teams use them during private practices, but not even during
"official" practice.
In fact the telemetry in the game is already over and above what "real"
drivers get. They only have a fuel pressure gauge, not a guage that tells
them how many gallons are left in the tank. Also, crew chiefs are only able
to tell tire temps AFTER the tire is taken off and the pitstop is completed.
They can then relay that info to the driver if they want, but they can't
make adjustments to the car for pressure and weight jacking adjustments
based on "current" info.
Interesting, I wonder what the reasoning behind this ruling is?
It would seem this type of telemetry would add to the safety factor during
the race,
warning the race team of protential problems before they result in a crash.
Alan
The main motivating factor is expense. By keeping technology at a minimum
costs are reduced. It also forces the driver to become the "telemetry" and
diagnose what the car needs himself. I believe it is one reason NASCAR
races are so competitive and popular. NASCAR likes to think of itself as
very low-tech, in touch with the common man and his regular street car.
I think that very few problems would be found by using telemetry during the
race, any problems manifest themselves into slower lap times (push/loose)
long before they cause a crash.
Interestingly, TV stations use more telemetry than the teams are allowed. I
have seen RPM's, gear selection, throttle and brake position and G forces
broadcast over the airwaves in the past. The information was never onscreen
long enough to be usefull for diagnostic purposes.
>Interesting, I wonder what the reasoning behind this ruling is?
>It would seem this type of telemetry would add to the safety factor during
>the race,
>warning the race team of protential problems before they result in a crash.
>Alan
errr.....telemetry systems arent that expensive, and anyway, the NWC teams
spend upwards of $5 million dollars per annum.
you ever see a 2 door taurus????????????????????????
pez who thinks that nascars are as far from real road cars as f1s.....
I
>have seen RPM's, gear selection, throttle and brake position and G forces
>broadcast over the airwaves in the past. The information was never onscreen
crash.
>>Alan
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>The main motivating factor is expense. By keeping technology at a minimum >costs are reduced. It also forces the driver to become the "telemetry" and >diagnose what the car needs himself. I believe it is one reason NASCAR >races are so competitive and popular. NASCAR likes to think of itself as >very low-tech, in touch with the common man and his regular street car. >I think that very few problems would be found by using telemetry during the >race, any problems manifest themselves into slower lap times (push/loose) >long before they cause a crash. >Interestingly, TV stations use more telemetry than the teams are allowed.Quoted text (8 lines)
>long enough to be usefull for diagnostic purposes. >>Interesting, I wonder what the reasoning behind this ruling is? >>It would seem this type of telemetry would add to the safety factor during >>the race, >>warning the race team of protential problems before they result in aI never said that NASCAR WC was low cost....I said they like to THINK they
are. I also think that the "computer & telemetry budget" for a F1 team
would run an entire WC operation for a year, by the time you add up all the
sensors and processing equipment, and then pay a team of engineers to
interprete the data. In any case it is still an expense over and above what
they have now.
I realize that NASCAR has taken a liberty with the 2 door taurus and there
are ZERO models produced with a 4 bbl carb and only ONE rear-wheel drive
model on the street. However, they remain much more similar to street
vehicles than F1, and extremely more "low tech" than anything that has an F
in front of it or even IRL/CART. I still think the low-tech approach is
the key to success, where drivers still make more of a difference than the
engineers.
and
>>diagnose what the car needs himself. I believe it is one reason NASCAR
>>races are so competitive and popular. NASCAR likes to think of itself as
>>very low-tech, in touch with the common man and his regular street car.
>>I think that very few problems would be found by using telemetry during the
during
>>>the race,
>>>warning the race team of protential problems before they result in a
>crash.
>>>Alan
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>errr.....telemetry systems arent that expensive, and anyway, the NWC teams >spend upwards of $5 million dollars per annum. >you ever see a 2 door taurus???????????????????????? >pez who thinks that nascars are as far from real road cars as f1s..... >>The main motivating factor is expense. By keeping technology at a minimum >>costs are reduced. It also forces the driver to become the "telemetry"Quoted text (14 lines)
>>race, any problems manifest themselves into slower lap times (push/loose) >>long before they cause a crash. >>Interestingly, TV stations use more telemetry than the teams are allowed. >I >>have seen RPM's, gear selection, throttle and brake position and G forces >>broadcast over the airwaves in the past. The information was never >onscreen >>long enough to be usefull for diagnostic purposes. >>>Interesting, I wonder what the reasoning behind this ruling is? >>>It would seem this type of telemetry would add to the safety factorim of the opinion that setup engineers are probably of more value in nwc as
the cars are the same, so any little advantage you gain in setup is gonna be
good, as oposed to f1, where a relatively bad handelling car can win races
by being manhandled around, do that on an oval, and youll meet a piece of
wall...
pez who enjoys all racing....but f1s at the top of the list.
> im of the opinion that setup engineers are probably of more value in nwc as
> the cars are the same,
no, they are not, like any form of racing there are a number of differences in
the chassis from team to team and even car to car within one team.
so you are saying a little advantage is no advantage in F1?
totally off base here
you are totally clueless
one thing we can agree on.
Nascar baned the use of any telemetry to keep the costs down, as the
smaller less financed teams couldn't possibly afford it, nor the
engineers,programers to use it.
Joel Willstein
