GPL without Glide

Friends, Can I get decent framerate with a Geforce or TNT2 card? 25+ .... How does it look, better than a V3? Is OpenGL supported by Papyrus at all? Thanks, Martin.

The answer is no. You cannot get a descent framerate with cards that do not support Glide. The OpenGL patch (beta, not supported by Papyrus or Sierra) is an improvement compared to software mode, but still not as good as any old Voodoo based card. I recently upgraded from Voodoo Banshee to Geforce Pro. That was throwing good money away. The Voodoo Banshee outperformed the Geforce Pro in GPL. With the Geforce Pro I can get 16-36 FPS in 800x600 (in car view), and stable 36 FPS in chase view. I've turned off some of the details, and lowered the mirror updating frequency (they are useless anyhow without a 3Dfx-card). I haven't noticed any desireable difference in picture quality. If there is any, it isn't enough to compensate for the lack of mirrors and FPS. If your main interest is GPL, stick to Voodoo cards. Voodoo cards may not give you 90+FPS in Unreal Tournament, but it enables you to play GPL with no trouble whatsoever. Jon Friends, Can I get decent framerate with a Geforce or TNT2 card? 25+ .... How does it look, better than a V3? Is OpenGL supported by Papyrus at all? Thanks, Martin.

Unreal Tournament!? Just today I tested... A PIII 450 (boosted to 600) 128 MB and GeForce 256 gave average 40 fps (Deathmatch Morpheus map singleplayer 11 bots 1024*768 terrain on med and 16bit palette)... While a PII Celeron (clocked to 450) 128 MB and V32000 16mb pushed 50fps with the lowest point at 26fps... same settings... Tell me am I doing something wrong? Quake 3 is another story though.... -- Oli BeoRocket Racing http://www.beorocket.co.yu/ > The answer is no. You cannot get a descent framerate with cards that do not > support Glide. The OpenGL patch (beta, not supported by Papyrus or Sierra) > is an improvement compared to software mode, but still not as good as any > old Voodoo based card. > I recently upgraded from Voodoo Banshee to Geforce Pro. That was throwing > good money away. The Voodoo Banshee outperformed the Geforce Pro in GPL. > With the Geforce Pro I can get 16-36 FPS in 800x600 (in car view), and > stable 36 FPS in chase view. I've turned off some of the details, and > lowered the mirror updating frequency (they are useless anyhow without a > 3Dfx-card). I haven't noticed any desireable difference in picture quality. > If there is any, it isn't enough to compensate for the lack of mirrors and > FPS. > If your main interest is GPL, stick to Voodoo cards. Voodoo cards may not > give you 90+FPS in Unreal Tournament, but it enables you to play GPL with no > trouble whatsoever. > Jon > Friends, > Can I get decent framerate with a Geforce or TNT2 card? 25+ .... > How does it look, better than a V3? > Is OpenGL supported by Papyrus at all? > Thanks, > Martin.

Interesting information. Too late for me: I already got the Geforce anyway !!! Cheers Hnic > The answer is no. You cannot get a descent framerate with cards that do not

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> support Glide. The OpenGL patch (beta, not supported by Papyrus or Sierra) > is an improvement compared to software mode, but still not as good as any > old Voodoo based card. > I recently upgraded from Voodoo Banshee to Geforce Pro. That was throwing > good money away. The Voodoo Banshee outperformed the Geforce Pro in GPL. > With the Geforce Pro I can get 16-36 FPS in 800x600 (in car view), and > stable 36 FPS in chase view. I've turned off some of the details, and > lowered the mirror updating frequency (they are useless anyhow without a > 3Dfx-card). I haven't noticed any desireable difference in picture

quality. > If there is any, it isn't enough to compensate for the lack of mirrors and > FPS. > If your main interest is GPL, stick to Voodoo cards. Voodoo cards may not > give you 90+FPS in Unreal Tournament, but it enables you to play GPL with no

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> trouble whatsoever. > Jon > Friends, > Can I get decent framerate with a Geforce or TNT2 card? 25+ .... > How does it look, better than a V3? > Is OpenGL supported by Papyrus at all? > Thanks, > Martin.

Thanks for the info! Martin

Not true. My Hercules Thriller (Rendition) out performs V2 in SLI with GPL by about an average of ten FPS. The rendition also looks better then the V2's.

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> The answer is no. You cannot get a descent framerate with cards that do not > support Glide. The OpenGL patch (beta, not supported by Papyrus or Sierra) > is an improvement compared to software mode, but still not as good as any > old Voodoo based card. > I recently upgraded from Voodoo Banshee to Geforce Pro. That was throwing > good money away. The Voodoo Banshee outperformed the Geforce Pro in GPL. > With the Geforce Pro I can get 16-36 FPS in 800x600 (in car view), and > stable 36 FPS in chase view. I've turned off some of the details, and > lowered the mirror updating frequency (they are useless anyhow without a > 3Dfx-card). I haven't noticed any desireable difference in picture quality. > If there is any, it isn't enough to compensate for the lack of mirrors and > FPS. > If your main interest is GPL, stick to Voodoo cards. Voodoo cards may not > give you 90+FPS in Unreal Tournament, but it enables you to play GPL with no > trouble whatsoever. > Jon > Friends, > Can I get decent framerate with a Geforce or TNT2 card? 25+ .... > How does it look, better than a V3? > Is OpenGL supported by Papyrus at all? > Thanks, > Martin.

Sounds a lot more likely than "gotta do Voodoo" ... wasn't GPL optimized for Rendition in the first place? Doesn't seem likely that all those people who were getting good performance and framerates with Rendition cards when GPL was first released would have suffered some major degradation in performance in the meantime... BB > Not true. My Hercules Thriller (Rendition) out performs V2 in SLI with GPL by > about an average of ten FPS. The rendition also looks better then the V2's.

>Not true. My Hercules Thriller (Rendition) out performs V2 in SLI with GPL by >about an average of ten FPS. The rendition also looks better then the V2's. AFAIK this is only true in a CPU limited situation. As available processor cycles increase, the FPS advantage of the Rendition cards goes away. I'm running a 400 mhz Celeron with V3 card, and get 36 fps everywhere but the start-finish line, with only mirror textures turned off, and only cars visible in the mirrors. Chris Noto cnoto at conc dot tds dot net

You'll want to put that Voodoo1 back in for GPL. I can't imagine that GPL would even get 1 fps with a 1M Trident card! With the Voodoo1 you may get something that you can play around with a bit Wayne Hutchison

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> >Friends, > >Can I get decent framerate with a Geforce or TNT2 card? 25+ .... > >How does it look, better than a V3? > >Is OpenGL supported by Papyrus at all? > >Thanks, > >Martin. > I don't know yet, i am currently downloading the GPL demo. I will know how > GPL will perform with my new computer (P3-500 with 64 megs of RAM and a 1 > Meg Trident card, yes i ran out of money. I don't have enough $ to get a > video card or sound card...) > Last night I tried NASCAR 3, the graphics at 800x600 with all the graphics > on was not bad at all. It wasn't the best, but it was completely raceable. > It was much better than my old P-166 32 megs of RAM with a voodoo 1 at 640

I don't know yet, i am currently downloading the GPL demo. I will know how GPL will perform with my new computer (P3-500 with 64 megs of RAM and a 1 Meg Trident card, yes i ran out of money. I don't have enough $ to get a video card or sound card...) Last night I tried NASCAR 3, the graphics at 800x600 with all the graphics on was not bad at all. It wasn't the best, but it was completely raceable. It was much better than my old P-166 32 megs of RAM with a voodoo 1 at 640

hehehe just sold it on ebay 2 days ago :( I have 5 megs left to download the demo, wish me luck LOL

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>You'll want to put that Voodoo1 back in for GPL. I can't imagine that GPL >would even get 1 fps with a 1M Trident card! With the Voodoo1 you may get >something that you can play around with a bit >Wayne Hutchison >> >Friends, >> >Can I get decent framerate with a Geforce or TNT2 card? 25+ .... >> >How does it look, better than a V3? >> >Is OpenGL supported by Papyrus at all? >> >Thanks, >> >Martin. >> I don't know yet, i am currently downloading the GPL demo. I will know

how >> GPL will perform with my new computer (P3-500 with 64 megs of RAM and a 1 >> Meg Trident card, yes i ran out of money. I don't have enough $ to get a >> video card or sound card...) >> Last night I tried NASCAR 3, the graphics at 800x600 with all the graphics >> on was not bad at all. It wasn't the best, but it was completely raceable. >> It was much better than my old P-166 32 megs of RAM with a voodoo 1 at 640

drive much faster than with voodoo2 (you can even see which curbs are flat!). see newsgroup about using 353+ drivers and buffer flip mode to correct uglyness on mirrors and flashing.

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> hehehe just sold it on ebay 2 days ago :( > I have 5 megs left to download the demo, wish me luck LOL > >You'll want to put that Voodoo1 back in for GPL. I can't imagine that GPL > >would even get 1 fps with a 1M Trident card! With the Voodoo1 you may get > >something that you can play around with a bit > >Wayne Hutchison > >> >Friends, > >> >Can I get decent framerate with a Geforce or TNT2 card? 25+ .... > >> >How does it look, better than a V3? > >> >Is OpenGL supported by Papyrus at all? > >> >Thanks, > >> >Martin. > >> I don't know yet, i am currently downloading the GPL demo. I will know > how > >> GPL will perform with my new computer (P3-500 with 64 megs of RAM and a

1 > >> Meg Trident card, yes i ran out of money. I don't have enough $ to get a

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> >> video card or sound card...) > >> Last night I tried NASCAR 3, the graphics at 800x600 with all the > graphics > >> on was not bad at all. It wasn't the best, but it was completely > raceable. > >> It was much better than my old P-166 32 megs of RAM with a voodoo 1 at > 640