Crapwagons strike again =(

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Scott B. Husted® wrote: > http://espn.go.com/rpm/irl/2003/1022/1644023.html Oval tracks are the real problem. All that concrete! -- Gerry Aitken ...and a friend shall lose a friend's hammer. - Book of Cyril, chapter 6, verse 16 This e-mail has been scanned for all known viruses by a fish called Colin.

I think the real problem are those cars that aren't designed to withstand a high impact, high speed accident into a catch fence that rips them to shreads, maybe they should be redesigning either the cars or the fences ... "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Scott B. Husted� wrote: > http://espn.go.com/rpm/irl/2003/1022/1644023.html Oval tracks are the real problem. All that concrete! -- Gerry Aitken ...and a friend shall lose a friend's hammer. - Book of Cyril, chapter 6, verse 16 This e-mail has been scanned for all known viruses by a fish called Colin.

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Hello all, I dont know Tony Renna personally, but i live in Deland Florida where he was born. He is ( and will always be) kind of a local hero here .There is a resturant here i think he use to work at called Gators.They have alot of posters of Tony and pictures of him there. Everyone there was pretty excited to see him at Indy this year. just thought i should say some here about him. Ive heard people talk about him here and it was always a kind word about him. RIP Tony Renna BillK

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it is time to take the wings off those damn things, especially for ovals. Same for NASCAR, no spoilers (front or rear) and I personally would make them all run street tires (read: tires with tread) only... then lets see em race. I don't care if you like CART, Rally, or any racing class, it is truly sad that a person died, even if it was while attaining his dream/goals... RIP Tony. <moment of silence> --Sting32 "Bill Kennedy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hXBlb.16727$[email hidden]... > Hello all, > I dont know Tony Renna personally, but i live in Deland Florida where > he was born. He is ( and will always be) kind of a local hero here .Thereis

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> a > resturant here i think he use to work at called Gators.They have alot of > posters of Tony > and pictures of him there. Everyone there was pretty excited to see him at > Indy this year. just thought i should say some here about him. Ive heard > people talk about > him here and it was always a kind word about him. > RIP Tony Renna > > BillK > >

RIP

A sad day...

I hope they pave all areas of the track that a car could potentially touch while at racing speeds. It seems that the transition from grass to pavement, at the speeds of an indy car, was what launched the car over the SAFER barrier. I know when NASCAR paved larger sections of some of the superspeedways that did have an impact on the number of cars that caught air, but that might not be enough. The catchfence idea is one that works fairly well at smaller tracks, where the speeds aren't so great, and the cars are not meant to break apart. Perhaps these two recent events have shown that it is not an idea that works with todays modern open wheel cars. RIP Tony Renna, I only hope his family can find the comfort that they need at this time.

>Oval tracks are the real problem. All that concrete! > >--=20 > >Gerry Aitken Renna never touched the concrete--he went straight into the catchfence... ----------------------------------------- Dan Belcher Webmaster, http://simcrash.fameflame.dk

On 23 Oct 2003 22:57:49 GMT, [email hidden] (Dan Belcher) wrote: >Renna never touched the concrete--he went straight into the catchfence... And that's the great mystery about this. I can see a car getting airborne if it makes contact with another car, but this one seems to have taken off all on it's own. And I live just north of Indy and can testify there were no freaky winds yesterday either. I just don't understand what could have caused this and nobody's saying anything.

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> >Renna never touched the concrete--he went straight into the catchfence... > > And that's the great mystery about this. I can see a car getting > airborne if it makes contact with another car, but this one seems to > have taken off all on it's own. And I live just north of Indy and can > testify there were no freaky winds yesterday either. I just don't > understand what could have caused this and nobody's saying anything.

As i understand it, he deviated slightly to the inside of T3 and caught a little grass - the suggestion being that air got underneath the tub and this was the key in launching the car over the wall. Now read that again and ask yourself - freak accident, or a statistical certainty owing to an inherently bad car design. Should a single seater pitch itself like that? ++ SP

In article <bna1jp$8dd$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... >Now read that again and ask yourself - freak accident, or a statistical >certainty owing to an inherently bad car design. Should a single seater >pitch itself like that? No, not really. I'd say there were enough airborne IRL cars this year to point to a real problem. One that the IRL better put a lot of work into solving during this offseason. -Tim

In article <q3Slb.11821$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > >I hope they pave all areas of the track that a car could potentially touch >while at racing speeds. Heh. Now that's funny. You do realize that, in the interest of safety, they removed a lot of pavement and put in grass about 12 or so years ago, right? -Tim

Now that's a damned shame :( -Larry "Scott B. Husted�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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The "crapwagons" are designed by the following people The current G-Force IRL car is by Simon Marshall and Ben Bowlby, who are also the designers of the current Lola CART car. The chief designer of the Dallara IRL car is Luca Pignacca, one of the most accomplished race car designers alive today.

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> The "crapwagons" are designed by the following people > > The current G-Force IRL car is by Simon Marshall and Ben Bowlby, who > are also the designers of the current Lola CART car. > > The chief designer of the Dallara IRL car is Luca Pignacca, one of the > most accomplished race car designers alive today. > > > >

We are not discounting the abilities of these designers, but the rules framework they must operate under could be the culprit. Realize too another problem...these cars were designed to run about 220mph tops. Now with the former CART engine suppliers onboard, the irlbuggies are far exceeding that speed. No conspiracy theories yet, just an observation, the lap times this year were way lower than seasons past. Perhaps the design limits of the irl spec have been breached. dave henrie

>>these cars were designed to run about 220mph tops>> Where did you get this information...or is it opinion? Mike

He is? How many F1 design strings does he have to his bow? Bruce. "Race1530" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The chief designer of the Dallara IRL car is Luca Pignacca, one of themost > accomplished race car designers alive today.

>>He is?How many F1 design strings does he have to his bow? Bruce.>> I would try to find out, but i would guess by your response...ZERO? :) Mike

[email hidden] (Race1530) wrote in news:[email hidden]: >>>these cars were designed to run about 220mph tops>> > > Where did you get this information...or is it opinion? > > Mike > YEs just opionion based on the speeds I think they were turning at most tracks. I think they qualified at around 221 at Indy for the first few years and at Texas, where the CART cars were exceeding 230mph and causing G-force induced near blackouts...the IRL cars were under 220mph there in past years. So I was guesstimating the design spec speed target. Which I think has been exceeded. dave henrie

>> YEs just opionion based on the speeds I think they were turning at most tracks. I think they qualified at around 221 at Indy for the first few years and at Texas, where the CART cars were exceeding 230mph and causing G-force induced near blackouts...the IRL cars were under 220mph there in past years. So I was guesstimating the design spec speed target. Which I think has been exceeded. dave henrie>> Dave, just came from the Dallara website and they said the cars are designed for 240+ speeds. Certainly not much more than 220, but within the boundaries of how fast they have been going.

race1530@aol. > > Dave, just came from the Dallara website and they said the cars are > designed for 240+ speeds. Certainly not much more than 220, but > within the boundaries of how fast they have been going. > ok good digging. Thanks

No idea, Mike. It wasn't a rhetorical question.....I just hadn't heard of the bloke before your mention of him. Bruce. "Race1530" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I would try to find out, but i would guess by your response...ZERO? :) >