Nascar Racing 3 vs. Nascar Legends

All, Is it just me, or would Nascar Legends been more 'acceptable' if it were marketed as a $20 add-on pack to N3 (like the rumored truck pack)? I shamelessly admit I bought NL for myself for Christmas. It's a shame CompUSA doesn't take software back :( I knew the engine was the same, but I never thought the entire _feel_ of the game would be the same! Same sounds. Exactly! I'm old enough to remember that a Superbird didn't sound the same as the 1999 Monte Carlo! And, take Talladega (Alabama) for example. When comparing the old-technology, bias-tired, not-as-aerodynamic cars of the NL years to the up-to-date cars in N3, the results are.... IDENTICAL! The speeds are exactly the same! Isn't that convenient :) $50 for new car skins and background pictures. Very dissapointing :( The guy at CompUSA said it has been a _horrible_ seller. I guess I should have listened :) -Larry

Really? I find Legends to be a nice change, the cars handle different to me, it's tougher to manage tire wear, certainly they are slower, with the exception of Talladega, of course they aren't running the restrictor plates there. And the cars sound very different to me, I really like the way they sound. While the speeds at Alabama may be the same, you certainly wont find the tire wear identical, and you won't want to run it full bore without lifting for a fuel run. I'm involved in a Legends league on Saturday nights, and we're having a blast with it. -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends

Oh, and don't forget, Sierra does offer a 30 day money back guarentee. :) -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends

"Larry" wrote download. I'm sure there will be a small group of people who are fanatical about it, like GPL, but most people are going to pass. At least they were smart enough to release the modern sim first this time, unlike when they released GPL and never got around to doing the GP. :( But you got that free Matchbox car! I bought it for Riverside myself, but for racing in N3 not Legends. In Legends the car feels like it has a restrictor plate at every track. The whole game really has an arcadish look to it also with those winged cars and faded colors. Papy was smart not to release a demo of this one or nobody would have bought it, at least this way they found a few suckers like us.

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> "Larry" wrote > > Is it just me, or would Nascar Legends been more 'acceptable' if it > were > > marketed as a $20 add-on pack to N3 (like the rumored truck pack)? > download. I'm sure there will be a small group of people who are > fanatical about it, like GPL, but most people are going to pass. > At least they were smart enough to release the modern sim first this > time, unlike when they released GPL and never got around to doing the > GP. > > $50 for new car skins and background pictures. Very dissapointing > :( > But you got that free Matchbox car! I bought it for Riverside myself, > but for racing in N3 not Legends. In Legends the car feels like it has > a restrictor plate at every track. The whole game really has an > arcadish look to it also with those winged cars and faded colors. > Papy was smart not to release a demo of this one or nobody would have > bought it, at least this way they found a few suckers like us.

I don't think I fall under the category of "fanatic" but I like it better than N3. I think the reason most people will end up passing is that Papy decided to compete with themselves. Putting 2 products on the shelves relatively close to each other in time frame. $50 some dollars for software is tough for some people, let alone 2 at that price. N3 was much more hyped up, and anticipated, and in return was more of a letdown. If -anyone- was suckered it wasn't the Legends owners, it was the mass of people who bought N3. It's N2 with dressed up graphics, and 2 new adjustments. At least Legends actually has a different feel to the car, and it does indeed have different engine sounds. Not sure what the original poster was listening to. Perhaps he needs to play it more than once. Talledega is hardly the same in N3 and Legends. The similarities end at the track layout. You can't run full tilt the whole time or you'll be in the pits every 15 laps or so, you HAVE to pay attention to your setup AND driving to be competitive. You need true strategy now. In N3, if you can draft, you can win. But these are just my opinions. -- Scott aka Outshynd The driver formerly know as Outshined "33" in N3 27 in NL "And it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train heading your way."--No Leaf Clover....Metallica

I find that I lap a whole lot quicker in NL at Alabama,than N3, and the rest of the sim is a whole lot better. For instance, before in N3, I found the road courses a chore to be endured. But in NL, Riverside is an absolute hoot. Who can be bored with it. If you think you are going fast, it comes back and bites you in the ass. In N3 Sears Point and The Glen are just ribbons of grey to get around until the next venue. This sim keeps you thinking. Long live NL and any add ons!!!!! Steve

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>All, >Is it just me, or would Nascar Legends been more 'acceptable' if it were >marketed as a $20 add-on pack to N3 (like the rumored truck pack)? >I shamelessly admit I bought NL for myself for Christmas. It's a shame >CompUSA doesn't take software back :( >I knew the engine was the same, but I never thought the entire _feel_ of

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>game would be the same! >Same sounds. Exactly! I'm old enough to remember that a Superbird didn't >sound the same as the 1999 Monte Carlo! >And, take Talladega (Alabama) for example. When comparing the >old-technology, bias-tired, not-as-aerodynamic cars of the NL years to the >up-to-date cars in N3, the results are.... IDENTICAL! >The speeds are exactly the same! >Isn't that convenient :) >$50 for new car skins and background pictures. Very dissapointing :( >The guy at CompUSA said it has been a _horrible_ seller. I guess I should >have listened :) >-Larry

I would have liked it...better integration too, would be able to have one screen for both N3/NL online races... What are you talking about? Why would you want to return it? No....it's not. Try converting tracks like Riverside into both games...a BIG difference. OK, the stock sounds DO suck. Get a soundpack. The Pits has a GREAT one. Modern NASCARS weigh less, but make less power at 'Dega - to the tune of around 420-ish thanks to restrictor plates. Also, the modern cars can go much longer between stops. Try going over 20 laps at Alabama in NL!! I'm wondering if maybe it's got a 'Legends' stigma - people who thought GPL sucked will equate it to NL and think it blows as well (though both are VERY good games IMO!!!) -- Kirk Lane ICQ: 28171652 BRT #187 "Yeah you won't find me I'm going MIA Tonight I'm leaving Going MIA Getting lost in you again Is better than being known" -Foo Fighters, "MIA"

Yep. Take it back to your reseller. But, CompUSA doesn't take back software. I've been through that catch-22 before. Reminds me of this certain battle between a certain hospital and a certain insurance company, with me inthe middle. More important things in life :) -Larry

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> Oh, and don't forget, Sierra does offer a 30 day money back guarentee. > :) > -- > Don Burnette > Dburn in N3 and Legends > > All, > > Is it just me, or would Nascar Legends been more 'acceptable' if it were > > marketed as a $20 add-on pack to N3 (like the rumored truck pack)? > > I shamelessly admit I bought NL for myself for Christmas. It's a shame > > CompUSA doesn't take software back :( > > I knew the engine was the same, but I never thought the entire _feel_ of > the > > game would be the same! > > Same sounds. Exactly! I'm old enough to remember that a Superbird

didn't > > sound the same as the 1999 Monte Carlo! > > And, take Talladega (Alabama) for example. When comparing the > > old-technology, bias-tired, not-as-aerodynamic cars of the NL years to the

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> > up-to-date cars in N3, the results are.... IDENTICAL! > > The speeds are exactly the same! > > Isn't that convenient :) > > $50 for new car skins and background pictures. Very dissapointing :( > > The guy at CompUSA said it has been a _horrible_ seller. I guess I

should > > have listened :) > > -Larry

Excuse me, but I HAVE played it more than once. Many more times than once. The sounds sound exactly the same to me. Thank You. -Larry

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> > "Larry" wrote > > > Is it just me, or would Nascar Legends been more 'acceptable' if it > > were > > > marketed as a $20 add-on pack to N3 (like the rumored truck pack)? > > download. I'm sure there will be a small group of people who are > > fanatical about it, like GPL, but most people are going to pass. > > At least they were smart enough to release the modern sim first this > > time, unlike when they released GPL and never got around to doing the > > GP. > > > $50 for new car skins and background pictures. Very dissapointing > > :( > > But you got that free Matchbox car! I bought it for Riverside myself, > > but for racing in N3 not Legends. In Legends the car feels like it has > > a restrictor plate at every track. The whole game really has an > > arcadish look to it also with those winged cars and faded colors. > > Papy was smart not to release a demo of this one or nobody would have > > bought it, at least this way they found a few suckers like us. > I don't think I fall under the category of "fanatic" but I like it > better than N3. I think the reason most people will end up passing is > that Papy decided to compete with themselves. Putting 2 products on the > shelves relatively close to each other in time frame. $50 some dollars > for software is tough for some people, let alone 2 at that price. N3 was > much more hyped up, and anticipated, and in return was more of a > letdown. If -anyone- was suckered it wasn't the Legends owners, it was > the mass of people who bought N3. It's N2 with dressed up graphics, and > 2 new adjustments. At least Legends actually has a different feel to the > car, and it does indeed have different engine sounds. Not sure what the > original poster was listening to. Perhaps he needs to play it more than > once. Talledega is hardly the same in N3 and Legends. The similarities > end at the track layout. You can't run full tilt the whole time or > you'll be in the pits every 15 laps or so, you HAVE to pay attention to > your setup AND driving to be competitive. You need true strategy now. In > N3, if you can draft, you can win. But these are just my opinions. > -- > Scott aka Outshynd > The driver formerly know as Outshined > "33" in N3 > 27 in NL > "And it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, > is just a freight train heading your way."--No Leaf Clover....Metallica

Just curious Larry, what kind of sound setup do you have? On my SB Live with 4 speakers, they sound very different to me. -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends once.

Nothing special. KLH speakers and a 100 watt Denon amp. I just recently noticed that the spotter seems to be the same guy, too :) Talk about long-running employment! -larry

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> Just curious Larry, what kind of sound setup do you have? > On my SB Live with 4 speakers, they sound very different to me. > -- > Don Burnette > Dburn in N3 and Legends > > Excuse me, but I HAVE played it more than once. Many more times than > once.

Clarification... I don't think NL 'Sucks'. I just think it's way too much like N3 to warrant another $45. That's where my disappointment lies. It should have been offered to N3 owners as a $20 add-on pack. -Larry

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> > Is it just me, or would Nascar Legends been more 'acceptable' if it were > > marketed as a $20 add-on pack to N3 (like the rumored truck pack)? > I would have liked it...better integration too, would be able to have one > screen for both N3/NL online races... > > I shamelessly admit I bought NL for myself for Christmas. It's a shame > > CompUSA doesn't take software back :( > What are you talking about? Why would you want to return it? > > I knew the engine was the same, but I never thought the entire _feel_ of > the > > game would be the same! > No....it's not. Try converting tracks like Riverside into both games...a > BIG difference. > > Same sounds. Exactly! I'm old enough to remember that a Superbird

didn't > > sound the same as the 1999 Monte Carlo! > OK, the stock sounds DO suck. Get a soundpack. The Pits has a GREAT one. > > And, take Talladega (Alabama) for example. When comparing the > > old-technology, bias-tired, not-as-aerodynamic cars of the NL years to the

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> > up-to-date cars in N3, the results are.... IDENTICAL! > Modern NASCARS weigh less, but make less power at 'Dega - to the tune of > around 420-ish thanks to restrictor plates. Also, the modern cars can go > much longer between stops. Try going over 20 laps at Alabama in NL!! > > The guy at CompUSA said it has been a _horrible_ seller. I guess I

should > > have listened :) > I'm wondering if maybe it's got a 'Legends' stigma - people who thought GPL > sucked will equate it to NL and think it blows as well (though both are VERY

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> good games IMO!!!) > -- > Kirk Lane > ICQ: 28171652 > BRT #187 > "Yeah you won't find me > I'm going MIA > Tonight I'm leaving > Going MIA > Getting lost in you again > Is better than being known" > -Foo Fighters, "MIA"

Larry I too thought it was too similar to N3, but after racing it for a few hours I started to notice that the cars do handle differently. I think to someone that doesn't race the sim much they might not appreaciat the difference in the way the tires and cars handle. for instance with N3 at Dega I can get 30 to 35 laps on a set of tires where as in NL I'm lucky to get 20 laps. Might not be a big deal to some, but try running NL in a league race :) also drafting to me seems to be more important in NL. now you want some differences in car handling get you a copy of GPL(Grand Prix Legends). I avoided this game when it came out because I'm not much of an open wheel fan....what a mistake. I bought it ast nite and can't stop racing it. I see what all the hype was about when everyone was talking about when N3 came out and how it was supposed to be modeled after GPL. we can only hope N4 uses the same dynamics and realism they used in GPL. Gonna be a whole new learning curve for some :))) Just my thoughts, Beaner

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> Clarification... > I don't think NL 'Sucks'. > I just think it's way too much like N3 to warrant another $45. > That's where my disappointment lies. > It should have been offered to N3 owners as a $20 add-on pack. > -Larry > > > Is it just me, or would Nascar Legends been more 'acceptable' if it

were > > > marketed as a $20 add-on pack to N3 (like the rumored truck pack)? > > I would have liked it...better integration too, would be able to have one > > screen for both N3/NL online races... > > > I shamelessly admit I bought NL for myself for Christmas. It's a shame > > > CompUSA doesn't take software back :( > > What are you talking about? Why would you want to return it? > > > I knew the engine was the same, but I never thought the entire _feel_ of > > the > > > game would be the same! > > No....it's not. Try converting tracks like Riverside into both games...a

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> > BIG difference. > > > Same sounds. Exactly! I'm old enough to remember that a Superbird > didn't > > > sound the same as the 1999 Monte Carlo! > > OK, the stock sounds DO suck. Get a soundpack. The Pits has a GREAT

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> > > And, take Talladega (Alabama) for example. When comparing the > > > old-technology, bias-tired, not-as-aerodynamic cars of the NL years to > the > > > up-to-date cars in N3, the results are.... IDENTICAL! > > Modern NASCARS weigh less, but make less power at 'Dega - to the tune of > > around 420-ish thanks to restrictor plates. Also, the modern cars can

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> > much longer between stops. Try going over 20 laps at Alabama in NL!! > > > The guy at CompUSA said it has been a _horrible_ seller. I guess I > should > > > have listened :) > > I'm wondering if maybe it's got a 'Legends' stigma - people who thought > GPL > > sucked will equate it to NL and think it blows as well (though both are > VERY > > good games IMO!!!) > > -- > > Kirk Lane > > ICQ: 28171652 > > BRT #187 > > "Yeah you won't find me > > I'm going MIA > > Tonight I'm leaving > > Going MIA > > Getting lost in you again > > Is better than being known" > > -Foo Fighters, "MIA"