Geforce, 3Dfx and GPL - Slightly off topic

Yo! I love Grand Prix Legends. But after buying CL Annihilator Geforce Pro, I realize that GPL is a Glide based game. Now the game don't work properly. I've installed the OpenGL patch, but I'm still not satisfied. Questions: 1. Is it possible to run a 3Dfx card in a PCI slot, along with the Geforce? 2. Can I alternate between two graphics cars? 3. If the answer to question 1 and 2 is yes: Can i use two monitors, one for each graphic card (I have Win 98)? This Geforce is about to be expensive.... Jon

Just out of interest, what frame rate do you get with the GeForce and what is the spec of your PC? Also, Have you turned the mirror refresh down (this affects the OpenGL speed a lot I hear)? Paul

If you want to 2 monitors, you can get a Voodoo3 2000/3000 PCI card. From the reviews, these cards are not that much slower than their Voodoo3 AGP counterparts and with Win98, and you can have 2 monitors. Brian

or why dont you use a glide wrapper for your geforce?? www.glideunderground.com -- "To finish a race first, you first must finish the race" --Mark Martin ----------------------- g_major on TEN Team STR OSCAR member http://drive.to/racehard (Now with Voice Chat!)

I kind of overlooked that you have a creative, get their beta glide here, but you need your cards serial # http://order.soundblaster.com/escripts/download-unified.asp -- "To finish a race first, you first must finish the race" --Mark Martin ----------------------- g_major on TEN Team STR OSCAR member http://drive.to/racehard (Now with Voice Chat!)

My system: PII350 Nvidia 3.65 "Athlon only" reference drivers 192 Mb RAM Abit Bh6 Win 98 8,4 GB HD CD-ROM CD-RW I have turned the mirror refresh down. I have also reduced mirror detail. Mirrors are absolutely useless in OpenGL. They only kills my FPS. In GPL I get 13-36 fps in in car view at 800x600. FPS lies around 36 when no other cars are around. At the starting grid I get around 13 FPS. This rather low PFS becomes frustrating at the pile up in the first corner. FPS are more stable in chase view. But the game itself has become unstable. If you love your GPL (who doesn't?), stay away from the Geforce. In my opinion this card has been released too early. The drivers aren't fully developed yet. In fact the performance with Creative's drivers was lower than with my old Voodoo Banshee AGP in every game I've tried (except for in Viper Racing, where they scored equal). The Geforce has been a disappointment to me. It's benchmarking figures in the reviews is better than it's performance in real life ***. Because of the lousy drivers, I think this card is hugely overpriced. What good does nice benchmarking figures do when your monitor isn't capable of displaying the high resolutions? What good is 90 FPS in Q3 and UT when performance is shitty in GPL and Tiger Woods 99, which is the games I'm currently playing? I want a card that makes my games perform better, not a card that performs well in games I don't have, nor want to buy, or isn't even released yet. Well, It seems like I got carried away here, but I fell ripped off. Jon

Yeah. But I have a Geforce. The beta program is not available to me. It's only for TNT & TNT2 owners. Besides, the beta doesn't work with GPL yet. Thanks anyhow. Jon

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Jon Yes - get a cheap Voodoo2 ($120 Australian, probably $50 US?) Yes - well written games will see "both" cards. Mmmm... No... You need two primary adapters (I believe???) for dual monitor support in Win98 - Voodoo2 is an add-on passthrough card...

I plan on getting a new Gforce card so I can get 32bit color and better framerates it games but I will never get rid of my Voodoo2 Monster3D card cause it runs other games better like GPL. I think this is the best of both worlds although 2 Voodoo2's in SLI along with a Gforce would be the ultimate setup, don't you think? I've read you can pick up Voodoo2's for about $50-70. Vintook > Just out of interest, what frame rate do you get with the GeForce and what > is the spec of your PC? Also, Have you turned the mirror refresh down (this

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> affects the OpenGL speed a lot I hear)? > Paul > > Yo! > > I love Grand Prix Legends. But after buying CL Annihilator Geforce Pro,

I > > realize that GPL is a Glide based game. Now the game don't work properly.

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> > I've installed the OpenGL patch, but I'm still not satisfied. > > Questions: > > 1. Is it possible to run a 3Dfx card in a PCI slot, along with the > Geforce? > > 2. Can I alternate between two graphics cars? > > 3. If the answer to question 1 and 2 is yes: Can i use two monitors, one > for > > each graphic card (I have Win 98)? > > This Geforce is about to be expensive.... > > Jon

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Is that OpenGlide thing a kind of emulator for OpenGL based chipsets? regards Antony G Major schreef:

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> or why dont you use a glide wrapper for your geforce?? > www.glideunderground.com > -- > "To finish a race first, you first must finish the race" > --Mark Martin > ----------------------- > g_major on TEN > Team STR > OSCAR member > http://drive.to/racehard > (Now with Voice Chat!) > > Yo! > > I love Grand Prix Legends. But after buying CL Annihilator Geforce Pro, I > > realize that GPL is a Glide based game. Now the game don't work properly. > > I've installed the OpenGL patch, but I'm still not satisfied. > > Questions: > > 1. Is it possible to run a 3Dfx card in a PCI slot, along with the > Geforce? > > 2. Can I alternate between two graphics cars? > > 3. If the answer to question 1 and 2 is yes: Can i use two monitors, one > for > > each graphic card (I have Win 98)? > > This Geforce is about to be expensive.... > > Jon

That's true. It isn't working any better then 640*480. Still waiting for a nice OpenGL driver for my GeForce soon or else it was very expencive!! Antony Jon Andersen schreef:

1. Yep, I am having a good o' Canopus Pure3D2 V2 card with my CL GeForce Proand I can switch between them. I m using P2-450 and GeForce Pro give ~30 fps during practice in 1024x768 OpenGL. But I somehow still prefer the 3dfx mode. It looks a tag better. 2. I am not sure about your question. 3. Why? I don't think GPL support such mode (and I am not sure if any current game support this one). Well, GeForce is pretty good and it is a major step forward to V2, especially if you use a lot of OpenGL software. Not until software support transformation and lighting acceleration, GeForce may be a tag too expensive for its price. Griffin.

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> Yo! > I love Grand Prix Legends. But after buying CL Annihilator Geforce Pro, I > realize that GPL is a Glide based game. Now the game don't work properly. > I've installed the OpenGL patch, but I'm still not satisfied. > Questions: > 1. Is it possible to run a 3Dfx card in a PCI slot, along with the Geforce? > 2. Can I alternate between two graphics cars? > 3. If the answer to question 1 and 2 is yes: Can i use two monitors, one for > each graphic card (I have Win 98)? > This Geforce is about to be expensive.... > Jon

You said you have a PII350 and an Abit BH6...ever tried overclocking it? It's suprising what some of them will do...my 350/BH6 has been running at 466 MHz for almost a year now! (And now at 2.1v instead of 2.2!) -- Kirk Lane [email hidden] [email hidden] ICQ: 28171652 BRT #187 "Yeah you won't find me I'm going MIA Tonight I'm leaving Going MIA Getting lost in you again Is better than being known" -Foo Fighters, "MIA"