GP3: Did it survive? Falcon4 didn't...

As many of you may know, Falcon 4 is made by the same company which makes GrandPrix3 (Microprose). The entire F4 team along with the main MPS QA and I think much of the tech support staff were let go. Falcon4 and all of it's addons are canceled and no more patches are going to be released. Does anyone know if GP3 survived? -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

from the sound of the announcement, gp3 could be in serious jepardy. Can I get a call from ID??? dave henrie

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> As many of you may know, Falcon 4 is made by the same company > which makes GrandPrix3 (Microprose). The entire F4 team along with > the main MPS QA and I think much of the tech support staff were let go. > Falcon4 and all of it's addons are canceled and no more patches are > going to be released. > Does anyone know if GP3 survived? > -- > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

WOW... I cant believe it. Thats just horrible.

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>As many of you may know, Falcon 4 is made by the same company >which makes GrandPrix3 (Microprose). The entire F4 team along with >the main MPS QA and I think much of the tech support staff were let go. >Falcon4 and all of it's addons are canceled and no more patches are >going to be released. >Does anyone know if GP3 survived? >-- >Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. >cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

At the begining of the month didn't Hasbro announce they would be porting GP3 to consoles as well. Surely they haven't changed their minds on that within 2 weeks ??? (desperate praying going on here !!!). Please someone reassure us either way ! Regards Andrew

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> WOW... I cant believe it. Thats just horrible. > >As many of you may know, Falcon 4 is made by the same company > >which makes GrandPrix3 (Microprose). The entire F4 team along with > >the main MPS QA and I think much of the tech support staff were let go. > >Falcon4 and all of it's addons are canceled and no more patches are > >going to be released. > >Does anyone know if GP3 survived? > >-- > >Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > >cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

-- Andrew Carroll Kodak Limited Hemel Hempstead, UK --------------------- Any views expressed above are entirely my own, and should not be taken to be the views of Kodak Limited or Eastman Kodak Company.

Frankly I don't know. MPS/Hasbro has stated that they are out of the simulation market. I am not sure if it is flightsims or sims in general which would effect GP3. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > At the begining of the month didn't Hasbro announce they would be > porting GP3 to consoles as well. Surely they haven't changed their > minds on that within 2 weeks ??? (desperate praying going on here !!!). > Please someone reassure us either way ! > Regards > Andrew > > WOW... I cant believe it. Thats just horrible. > > >As many of you may know, Falcon 4 is made by the same company > > >which makes GrandPrix3 (Microprose). The entire F4 team along with > > >the main MPS QA and I think much of the tech support staff were let go. > > >Falcon4 and all of it's addons are canceled and no more patches are > > >going to be released. > > >Does anyone know if GP3 survived? > > >-- > > >Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > >cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > -- > Andrew Carroll > Kodak Limited > Hemel Hempstead, UK > --------------------- > Any views expressed above are entirely my own, and should not be taken > to be the views of Kodak Limited or Eastman Kodak Company.

Well if you want to read about it, check out the flightsim newsgroup. It is a total shit-storm. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > WOW... I cant believe it. Thats just horrible. > >As many of you may know, Falcon 4 is made by the same company > >which makes GrandPrix3 (Microprose). The entire F4 team along with > >the main MPS QA and I think much of the tech support staff were let go. > >Falcon4 and all of it's addons are canceled and no more patches are > >going to be released. > >Does anyone know if GP3 survived? > >-- > >Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > >cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

It will be ported to consoles I believe. Consoles never get full sims. Bad news... Sjoerd

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>As many of you may know, Falcon 4 is made by the same company >which makes GrandPrix3 (Microprose). The entire F4 team along with >the main MPS QA and I think much of the tech support staff were let go. >Falcon4 and all of it's addons are canceled and no more patches are >going to be released. >Does anyone know if GP3 survived? >-- >Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. >cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

If Microprose pulls the plug, Geoff Crammond will just take GP3 elsewhere. I'm sure any publisher will take it. D Cane

Seeing as they have probably paid for a license for the game it would surely be daft to drop it now. Didn't they get a license for several years? --Matt

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>Frankly I don't know. MPS/Hasbro has stated that they are out of the >simulation market. I am not sure if it is flightsims or sims in general >which would effect GP3. >-- >Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. >cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com >> At the begining of the month didn't Hasbro announce they would be >> porting GP3 to consoles as well. Surely they haven't changed their >> minds on that within 2 weeks ??? (desperate praying going on here !!!). >> Please someone reassure us either way ! >> Regards >> Andrew >> > WOW... I cant believe it. Thats just horrible. >> > >As many of you may know, Falcon 4 is made by the same company >> > >which makes GrandPrix3 (Microprose). The entire F4 team along with >> > >the main MPS QA and I think much of the tech support staff were let

go.

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>> > >Falcon4 and all of it's addons are canceled and no more patches are >> > >going to be released. >> > >Does anyone know if GP3 survived? >> > >-- >> > >Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming

hordes.

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>> > >cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com >> -- >> Andrew Carroll >> Kodak Limited >> Hemel Hempstead, UK >> --------------------- >> Any views expressed above are entirely my own, and should not be taken >> to be the views of Kodak Limited or Eastman Kodak Company.

The facts are a little wrong here.....Micrprose only publish GP3..geoff crammond makes it..so it won;t be a problem..gp3 is still being programmed.

This is a total disaster for the customer and I guess a bitter taste of reality that high-spec sims are too expensive, too risky, and don't offer the immediate financial returns that a wider-appealing investment can. I've been reading the flight-sim newsgroup and it really is a royal suck-fest. I can't believe that Hasbro would take the Falcon 4 investment, and throw it away, just at the point where the code is pretty much working and can be extended forward to the future titles. What a load of crap. Bean-counters should be annihilated. Mike.

Amen I couldnt agree more!!!!! Bean counters have no reason to exist and they certainly didnt make the world a better place, the dreamers did. >What a load of crap. Bean-counters should be annihilated. >Mike.

Rest easy (for the moment anyway). I heard from a *VERY* reliable MPS source that GP2 survived. The GP2 team is based in the UK and were not really affected by the recent job/project cutting. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com Matthew Wooding <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:82p7bg$kqo$[email hidden]... > Seeing as they have probably paid for a license for the game > it would surely be daft to drop it now. Didn't they get a > license for several years? > --Matt > > > Greg Cisko wrote in message <82oemm$3t5$[email hidden]>... > >Frankly I don't know. MPS/Hasbro has stated that they are out of the > >simulation market. I am not sure if it is flightsims or sims in general > >which would effect GP3. > > > >-- > > > >Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > > >cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > > >Andrew Carroll <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> At the begining of the month didn't Hasbro announce they would be > >> porting GP3 to consoles as well. Surely they haven't changed their > >> minds on that within 2 weeks ??? (desperate praying going on here !!!). > >> > >> Please someone reassure us either way ! > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Andrew > >> > >> Ronnie & Princess Bigwhip wrote: > >> > > >> > WOW... I cant believe it. Thats just horrible. > >> > Greg Cisko wrote in message <82neft$ftu$[email hidden]>... > >> > >As many of you may know, Falcon 4 is made by the same company > >> > >which makes GrandPrix3 (Microprose). The entire F4 team along with > >> > >the main MPS QA and I think much of the tech support staff were let > go. > >> > >Falcon4 and all of it's addons are canceled and no more patches are > >> > >going to be released. > >> > > > >> > >Does anyone know if GP3 survived? > >> > > > >> > >-- > >> > > > >> > >Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming > hordes. > >> > > > >> > >cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> -- > >> Andrew Carroll > >> Kodak Limited > >> Hemel Hempstead, UK > >> --------------------- > >> Any views expressed above are entirely my own, and should not be taken > >> to be the views of Kodak Limited or Eastman Kodak Company. > > > > > >

Another comment from the flight sim newsgroup has mentioned that Gunship is being "toned down" from a serious sim. Hopefully that won't be the case for GP3 but you never know. Especially when you hear about ports to consoles. Michael

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> Frankly I don't know. MPS/Hasbro has stated that they are out of the > simulation market. I am not sure if it is flightsims or sims in general > which would effect GP3. > -- > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > At the begining of the month didn't Hasbro announce they would be > > porting GP3 to consoles as well. Surely they haven't changed their > > minds on that within 2 weeks ??? (desperate praying going on here !!!). > > Please someone reassure us either way ! > > Regards > > Andrew > > > WOW... I cant believe it. Thats just horrible. > > > >As many of you may know, Falcon 4 is made by the same company > > > >which makes GrandPrix3 (Microprose). The entire F4 team along with > > > >the main MPS QA and I think much of the tech support staff were let

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> > > >Falcon4 and all of it's addons are canceled and no more patches are > > > >going to be released. > > > >Does anyone know if GP3 survived? > > > >-- > > > >Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming

hordes.

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> > > >cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > -- > > Andrew Carroll > > Kodak Limited > > Hemel Hempstead, UK > > --------------------- > > Any views expressed above are entirely my own, and should not be taken > > to be the views of Kodak Limited or Eastman Kodak Company.

: I've been reading the flight-sim newsgroup and it really is a royal : suck-fest. I can't believe that Hasbro would take the Falcon 4 investment, : and throw it away, just at the point where the code is pretty much working : and can be extended forward to the future titles. It happens elsewhere. I know a very clever aero engineer who did a lot of coding at DID, starting with a mid-development overhaul of EF2000. They invested a lot into their aero model, but now seem to be dumbing down their sims as well, being happy to pump out "Wargasm" type products. Naturally, my friend has moved on. Stephen

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:24:51 -0600, "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> Spectrum Holobyte were the real people who made F4, I think they owned Microprose, but when Hasbro bought them out, they sort of seperated. I dont think it will have any effect on GP3. clone "I refuse to be smart!"

Aaah! Now -there's- a name to admire. Spectrum-Holobyte....the originators of the "Falcon" series and also that excellent Vietnam War flight sim, "Flight of the Intruder". Now that -was- a goodie. Not all change is necessarily good and to have seen S-H swallowed up was rather sad at the time.

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> On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:24:51 -0600, "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> > >As many of you may know, Falcon 4 is made by the same company > >which makes GrandPrix3 (Microprose). The entire F4 team along with > >the main MPS QA and I think much of the tech support staff were let go. > >Falcon4 and all of it's addons are canceled and no more patches are > >going to be released. > >Does anyone know if GP3 survived? > Spectrum Holobyte were the real people who made F4, I think they owned > Microprose, but when Hasbro bought them out, they sort of seperated. I > dont think it will have any effect on GP3. > clone > "I refuse to be smart!"

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the best line I ever heard was from M.Butterfly (cronenberg film) "You're nothing, you're worse than nothing... you're an accountant" Ronnie & Princess Bigwhip wrote:

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> > Amen I couldnt agree more!!!!! Bean counters have no reason to exist and > they certainly didnt make the world a better place, the dreamers did. > > Mike Laskey wrote in message ... > >What a load of crap. Bean-counters should be annihilated. > > > >Mike. > > > > > > > >

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I thought it was Microprose who bought S-H. At any rate, the S-H name disappeared, and Microprose suddenly had an office in Alameda, where S-H used to be. Sky "clone" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:24:51 -0600, "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> > wrote: > > >As many of you may know, Falcon 4 is made by the same company > >which makes GrandPrix3 (Microprose). The entire F4 team along with > >the main MPS QA and I think much of the tech support staff were let go. > >Falcon4 and all of it's addons are canceled and no more patches are > >going to be released. > > > >Does anyone know if GP3 survived? > > Spectrum Holobyte were the real people who made F4, I think they owned > > Microprose, but when Hasbro bought them out, they sort of seperated. I > dont think it will have any effect on GP3. > > clone > > "I refuse to be smart!" > > [email hidden] >

In article <E9X34.7081$[email hidden]>, Mike Laskey <[email hidden]> writes

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> >Greg Cisko <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message >news:82neft$ftu$[email hidden]... >> As many of you may know, Falcon 4 is made by the same company >> which makes GrandPrix3 (Microprose). The entire F4 team along with >> the main MPS QA and I think much of the tech support staff were let go. >> Falcon4 and all of it's addons are canceled and no more patches are >> going to be released. > >This is a total disaster for the customer and I guess a bitter taste of >reality that high-spec sims are too expensive, too risky, and don't offer >the immediate financial returns that a wider-appealing investment can. > >I've been reading the flight-sim newsgroup and it really is a royal >suck-fest. I can't believe that Hasbro would take the Falcon 4 investment, >and throw it away, just at the point where the code is pretty much working >and can be extended forward to the future titles. > >What a load of crap. Bean-counters should be annihilated. >

Them and shareholders. Shareholders are only interested on how much profit they are making now. They force companies to keep having to maximise their profit margins - at the expense of future gains in my opinion - just so they can keep those shareholders from bailing out. -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

Peter Ives <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Them and shareholders. Shareholders are only interested on how much > profit they are making now. They force companies to keep having to > maximise their profit margins - at the expense of future gains in my > opinion - just so they can keep those shareholders from bailing out. I agree entirely. The whole business economy "measurement" of success or failure these days is based upon short term goals.... companies with a public shareholding model look shy to invest in longer term goals. Everybody "requires" instant gratification with minimal risk, immediate results and high impact headlines. I guess the folks at Hasbro just weren't even willing to spend 12 or 24 months on the proposed F15 sim and F4 add-ons. It still seems inconceivable to me that just at the point where F4 becomes an advanced working technology (and in patch 1.08 is frankly no less than amazing), that the massive $ potential of future products sharing that technology is ignored. Mike.

Peter Ives <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <E9X34.7081$[email hidden]>, Mike Laskey > <[email hidden]> writes > Them and shareholders. Shareholders are only interested on how much > profit they are making now. They force companies to keep having to > maximise their profit margins - at the expense of future gains in my > opinion - just so they can keep those shareholders from bailing out. > -- > Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington)

Peter, Wow !! You guys are living in a dream world. Companies issue stock to increase their net worth. Stockholders purchased those shares to earn money payable as a dividend per share per quarter. Not years from now. Companies that don't look for ways to max their profit margins will end up going out of business from lack of capital. Just how do you think they're going to pay the bills? . Joel Willstein

On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:48:55 -0400, "Joel Willstein" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >Peter Ives <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> In article <E9X34.7081$[email hidden]>, Mike Laskey >> <[email hidden]> writes > >> Them and shareholders. Shareholders are only interested on how much >> profit they are making now. They force companies to keep having to >> maximise their profit margins - at the expense of future gains in my >> opinion - just so they can keep those shareholders from bailing out. >> -- >> Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) > >Peter, > > Wow !! You guys are living in a dream world. Companies issue stock to >increase their net worth. Stockholders purchased those shares to earn money >payable as a dividend per share per quarter. Not years from now. Companies >that don't look for ways to max their profit margins will end up going out >of business from lack of capital. Just how do you think they're going to pay >the bills? >. >Joel Willstein

Well there is an easier way to do it- split the company in half, call it an internet company release an IPO at 30 and watch go to 298 in less than a day. No one expects profit from an online company for a couple of years anyway. (dont believie the 30-300 jump? look at the Linux company this week, I wish I had a thou to put in at opening).

> Wow !! You guys are living in a dream world. Companies issue stock to > increase their net worth. Stockholders purchased those shares to earn money > payable as a dividend per share per quarter. Not years from now. Companies > that don't look for ways to max their profit margins will end up going out > of business from lack of capital. Just how do you think they're going to pay > the bills? I guess producing a good quality product is too much to ask? -- |_ Oo\ Alex | Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si

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>> Them and shareholders. Shareholders are only interested on how much >> profit they are making now. They force companies to keep having to >> maximise their profit margins - at the expense of future gains in my >> opinion - just so they can keep those shareholders from bailing out. >> -- >> Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) >Peter, > Wow !! You guys are living in a dream world. Companies issue stock to >increase their net worth. Stockholders purchased those shares to earn money >payable as a dividend per share per quarter. Not years from now. Companies >that don't look for ways to max their profit margins will end up going out >of business from lack of capital. Just how do you think they're going to pay >the bills? >. >Joel Willstein

Aaww, Joel, I'm all filled up for those poor companies, struggling to make as much money as they possibly can as quick as they can. However it doesn't mean that I have to agree with it. Did they really just have to float, or was it more because of greed that they decided to do so? Yes, it's an unfortunate situation these days that everyone wants to pray at the temple of 'The Biggest Profit Margin' and, that in order to do so, they have to put their control in the hands of those who have a complete disregard for any other aspect or potential that the company may have. So who pays for all these profits they are trying to make? Well, we do of course, with lower wages or fewer workforce, goods made out of cheaper materials that don't seem to last five minutes or that you can't get replacements for when they do break, and of course in our case products that come out before they are ready or no longer see the light of day because they just don't look like they can bring in the bacon. Yeah, a dream world, which by its own meaning constitutes a world better than the current one. Here's to dreaming. -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.