question about Swedish(?) newsreaders

Howdy, Just out of curiousity, I noticed that some newsreaders stick "SV" in front of subjects when replying. I am used to seeing "re" as in 'response' or 'reference to'. I *think* the SVs are coming from Sweden (could be wrong). I was just curious what SV stands for in this case. Thanks, ~daxe -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

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> Howdy, > Just out of curiousity, I noticed that some newsreaders stick "SV" in > front of subjects when replying. I am used to seeing "re" as in 'response' > or 'reference to'. I *think* the SVs are coming from Sweden (could be > wrong). I was just curious what SV stands for in this case. > Thanks,

The SV: are as you say from Sweden, but also Norway. It is the result of really bad translation of software. Here in Norway office applications like Microsoft Office and Lotus Smart Suite have translated menus and helpfiles. Since thees two packages also include a e-mail/newsreader Outlook and Lotus Notes, some bonehead found it smarter to put is SV: (Svar = Answer) instead of re(ply). The problem is of course that many newsreaders treat this unknown combination of letter as the name of the topic, so they put a Re: in front of that again, and the whole tread gets rather messy. It is not a big problem here in a international group, but it is a pain in the norwegian newsgoups i read. Luckily this can be turned off in Microsoft Outlook, and changed back to Re:, and I request every of my scandinavian fellows who post on this newsgroup and use SV: to do so at once :) To me it is really unbelievable how Microsoft and Lotus can be so narrowminded and allow translators to do this, since it only messes up things and doesn't make anything easier at all. Well, we do know M$ are narrowminded but I though there was a limit even for them. -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

Olav, Could you please explain how this can be done in OE5 for me?? I've tried to check the "use English headers" option... but as I'm pretty sure you can see... it's not working very well. I'm getting tired of having to correct the subject of every mail or post I reply too.. Got any good advises here? Thanks! -- All the best, Ed Solheim The Paddock - a legendary site.... (Remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply)

Re: re Re is the (Latin) ablative of res, and means "in the matter of" or "about", "concerning". I always thought it was an abbreviation of reference, as in "with reference to" until I looked it up just now. Got to go and sew some badges on my anorak. -- Mark Croasdale ICQ 21549408 > > Howdy, > > Just out of curiousity, I noticed that some newsreaders stick "SV" in > > front of subjects when replying. I am used to seeing "re" as in 'response' > > or 'reference to'. I *think* the SVs are coming from Sweden (could be > > wrong). I was just curious what SV stands for in this case. > > Thanks, > The SV: are as you say from Sweden, but also Norway. It is the result of > really bad translation of software. Here in Norway office applications like > Microsoft Office and Lotus Smart Suite have translated menus and helpfiles. > Since thees two packages also include a e-mail/newsreader Outlook and Lotus > Notes, some bonehead found it smarter to put is SV: (Svar = Answer) instead > of re(ply). The problem is of course that many newsreaders treat this unknown > combination of letter as the name of the topic, so they put a Re: in front of > that again, and the whole tread gets rather messy. It is not a big problem > here in a international group, but it is a pain in the norwegian newsgoups i > read. > Luckily this can be turned off in Microsoft Outlook, and changed back to Re:, > and I request every of my scandinavian fellows who post on this newsgroup and > use SV: to do so at once :) > To me it is really unbelievable how Microsoft and Lotus can be so narrowminded > and allow translators to do this, since it only messes up things and doesn't > make anything easier at all. Well, we do know M$ are narrowminded but I > though there was a limit even for them. > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove spam when replying

>The SV: are as you say from Sweden, but also Norway. Thanks, Olav. I keep meaning to write in to r.a.s. and comment on how interesting it is for me, as an insular USA type, to read little bits of stuff about the culture and goings on in countries elsewhere on the planet. :o) ~daxe -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

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> The SV: are as you say from Sweden, but also Norway. It is the result of > really bad translation of software. Here in Norway office applications like > Microsoft Office and Lotus Smart Suite have translated menus and helpfiles. > Since thees two packages also include a e-mail/newsreader Outlook and Lotus > Notes, some bonehead found it smarter to put is SV: (Svar = Answer) instead > of re(ply). The problem is of course that many newsreaders treat this unknown > combination of letter as the name of the topic, so they put a Re: in front of > that again, and the whole tread gets rather messy. It is not a big problem > here in a international group, but it is a pain in the norwegian newsgoups i > read.

And even more stupid is that these newsreaders don't themselves recognize SV: so when when replying to a message with SV: it appends another one on as well, so you get long threads with SV: SV: SV: SV: etc. (and often with a few Re: within as well)! -- Arne Martin

I don't think the ommision of code to translate SV to RE was based on narrowminds. MS just doesn't have many Swedish coders. Supplying cultural translators for every Asian, African, and European societal correspondence convention would indeed be a wonderful addition, but calling MS narrowminded is just being crass. -/- Walk Walker >To me it is really unbelievable how Microsoft and Lotus can be so narrowminded >and allow translators to do this, since it only messes up things and doesn't >make anything easier at all.

Yet from what I was told every other international version of IE, in Asia, Africa, and Europe supports the Usenet standard of Re: without any problems . So why not that version? I must have lost something here ;) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

A norwegian website explains how to do it, the sweedes will probably understand it too :) http://home.sol.no/~knutsp/oe.html It looks like it wasn't as easy as I thought, since you need to download some files to do it. -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

Thanks a lot for the info Olav, I'll look at it right away! Btw, me a Swede???? NOW you're *way* outta line here buddy!! :))))) -- All the best, Ed Solheim The Paddock - a legendary site....

Ahh finally the SV: is gone for good!! Now if someone could fix the "wrote / Writes:" instead of the NORWEGIAN :)) word OE uses - every thing would be perfect! :) -- -- All the best, Ed Solheim The Paddock - a legendary site.... (Remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply)

oh, damn, i didn't mean it that way, that swede thing was more for general information to s?ta bror. Boy how easy it is to be misinterpreted on USENET :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

How about downloading Emacs for Windows and use Gnus as your newsreader, and you pains will vanish forever, if you manage to learn its cryptic commands. And you get a great text-editor too..... :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 17:10:21 GMT, "Ed Solheim" <esolheim[S P A M G U A

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>Olav K. Malmin writes: >> A norwegian website explains how to do it, the sweedes will probably >> understand it too :) >> http://home.sol.no/~knutsp/oe.html >Thanks a lot for the info Olav, I'll look at it right away! >Btw, me a Swede???? >NOW you're *way* outta line here buddy!! :)))))

Bit of a warning to all swedes here: If you use the "already patched" files here, prepare to read everything in OE in norwegian! Karl