Opionion Poll: What's the Very *** BEST *** Wheel/Pedal Setup Available ???

I'm looking for your opinions and ideas regarding what is the *** ABSOLUTE BEST *** Driving Simulation Wheel and Pedal combination avaiable on the market. Though cost is certainly some consideration, I am willing to spend quita bit to get the *** VERY BEST *** !!! Please post your thoughts, opinions, ideas, reviews, etc. on what each of you feels is the ultimate setup. URL's and other information on any manufacturer would be appreciated, along with price info and sources. All posted replys and reviews are greatly appreciated. Thanks, Allan

Hello, My opinion may be biased, but I think that the ACT LABS wheel is the best wheel out there. It is the only wheel (within a reasonable cost) with: 1) A metal pedal unit. This means much less pedal movement. 2) Six speed gear shifter availability. www.act-labs.com Raymond Chow ACT LABS

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>I'm looking for your opinions and ideas regarding what is the > *** ABSOLUTE BEST *** >Driving Simulation Wheel and Pedal combination avaiable on the >market. Though cost is certainly some consideration, I am willing to >spend quita bit to get the *** VERY BEST *** !!! >Please post your thoughts, opinions, ideas, reviews, etc. on what each >of you feels is the ultimate setup. >URL's and other information on any manufacturer would be appreciated, >along with price info and sources. >All posted replys and reviews are greatly appreciated. >Thanks, >Allan

Raymond ACT LABS

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> I'm looking for your opinions and ideas regarding what is the > *** ABSOLUTE BEST *** > Driving Simulation Wheel and Pedal combination avaiable on the > market. Though cost is certainly some consideration, I am willing to > spend quita bit to get the *** VERY BEST *** !!!

Damn, Allan, for a guy who spends a lot of time absolutely dogging racing sims and insulting the people who enjoy them, it's rather funny to see you here. Not surprising you're looking for the best, though; you are a millionaire at least once over, correct? Is this controller perchance to be used in training a new driver, in the manner that Montoya, Gordon, Villeneuve, and others, learn the courses? From what you tell us, it's an IRL car. Really don't know why you're looking to do the sim thing like us lowly and stupid race fans. It's "replies," Allan, and I'll be you won't appreciate this one. -- You really should try racing some in your lifetime (and not on your computer ...). You would quickly discover how much easier a road course is than an oval. -Allan Pagan

:> All posted replys and reviews are greatly appreciated. : It's "replies," Allan, and I'll be you won't appreciate this one. And you probably wanted to say "bet" :) Stephen

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> :> All posted replys and reviews are greatly appreciated. > : It's "replies," Allan, and I'll be you won't appreciate this one. > And you probably wanted to say "bet" :) > Stephen

Not at all. I was going for that whole transcendental vibe. -- You really should try racing some in your lifetime (and not on your computer ...). You would quickly discover how much easier a road course is than an oval. -Allan Pagan

>Damn, Allan, for a guy who spends a lot of time absolutely dogging racing >sims and insulting the people who enjoy them, it's rather funny to see you >here. Last time I checked, people had the perogative to change their minds. Maybe he's had a change of heart. So what if he is? Do I detect a bit of jealousy in your question? Actually, if you added up the net worth of the average Joe in the US, you'd find their net worth was alot closer to $1 million than you'd think. So....So what if he is? Or maybe just Allan having fun, relaxing, and blowing off steam? You know, there are those that have a bit of down-time that is used to relax. Not everyone spends every waking hour on the newsgroups looking to snipe at the person they have decided to ***-stalk. To Allan: Sorry about your pesky ***-stalker problem. Unfortunately, a pediculocide and fine tooth comb won't remove it. Like a *** neighborhood cat, it seems your stalker is determined to ***in every sandbox (aka newsgroup) that he finds you in. It is interesting that he archives your old posts. This could signal an obsession with you.

>Damn, Allan, for a guy who spends a lot of time absolutely dogging racing >sims and insulting the people who enjoy them, it's rather funny to see you >here. We're putting together a simulator together for the hospitality area for our sponsors, Brain ... (or is it Phillip, Scott, or Smoking today ???) And for those sponsors, yes, I want the best. Allan

[ some snipped ] Thank you, Mr. Zanass. I appreciate that you understand the problem. He does semm to have a rather odd fixation with me, but then again, its his problem. If you are the least bit familiar with him, then you know this kind of juvenile behavior is his norm ... So perhaps now that he's spewed some more of his diatribe, he'll flake off. Maybe now I can ask those here that know the subject matter to address my inquiry. I would very much appreciate it. Thanks again, Allan

> Last time I checked, people had the perogative to change their minds. Maybe > he's had a change of heart. Shut up, Ian. The guy posts both my sig and the r.a.s. posts on the same day, and he's changed his mind? Just like you're stalking me and my posts, loser? You've been following me around for a few days, now, on three groups. Go away. It's flattering to have fans, but really, this is too much. Well, wherever Allan shows up is, ipso facto, crapped in. Projection? -- You really should try racing some in your lifetime (and not on your computer ...). You would quickly discover how much easier a road course is than an oval. -Allan Pagan

Don't flatter yourself. I wouldn't stalk you if I were gay and had a *** for sh*thouse lawyers. Also, I have been on RASI for over 3 years, and RAS for over a year. Just because you have never seen me on here or RASI doesn't mean I didn't have a different name or internet provider. Also as far as RASC is concerned, I am a fan of CART, and will continue to go to that public newsgroup to discuss CART related issues. I am not stalking you, nor have I ever wanted to stalk you. However, when I see you tainting otherwise civil discussions with your hate, it is within my rights to speak my mind. BTW, Mr. Lawyer of the Latrine.....Doesn't your question of me stalking you imply that I am a stalker? Wouldn't that be considered slander since it was performed in a public forum? Maybe because you are following him? No, no projection....I don't archive your old posts Brain. I try to keep my sandbox clean. I believe his point was that until you get real life experience, don't apply your *** experiences to statements pertaining to "real-life" racing. I bet that all of the sim-players here that also have or do race in real life would agree that very few, if any sims would come close to making the average Joe ready to race in that sim's real life counterpart. BTW, I have to agree with his statement as pasted above...In my limited "real life" experiences on both road courses and ovals, you have to be more gentle and use more fine motor "touch" on ovals, all the while feeling for the vehicle breaking loose and dealing with traffic. All that while dealing with forces that make gross motor movement a challenge. On a road course, you can sling the vehicle around more using more gross motor skills and less fine motor skills and USUALLY not worry that there is a guy to your left, and one to your right. Now, I will attempt to get back to the subject of discussing simulators and their related issues. Ian "Ne Conjuge Nobiscum"

Not so..... The F1 Sim (full size, not the compact version) have an all steel contruction. The Steering wheel (with F1 style shifters), steering column, pedals (F1 Style), and the pedal base are all steel and very sturdy. And they are very reasonably priced. 8-) *Peter* - http://www.cix.co.uk/~peterpc/home.html

If cost is no object then go here: http://www.hyperstim.com/index.html -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C.

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>>Damn, Allan, for a guy who spends a lot of time absolutely dogging racing >>sims and insulting the people who enjoy them, it's rather funny to see you >>here. >We're putting together a simulator together for the hospitality area >for our sponsors, Brain ... >(or is it Phillip, Scott, or Smoking today ???) >And for those sponsors, yes, I want the best. >Allan

Allan, I'd go with a HyperStimulator. It has a great feel with the pedals but does lack force feedbackon the wheel. It is a complete "cockpit". I built a kit but they make complete setups with custom paint. A number of real life drivers have them. You can get them with driver harness and the whole works. Programmable buttons on the steering wheel. http://desktopsims.com/dts3.htm Don't let these guys bullshit you about delivery times. With your clout you may not have a problem but be aware. I also noticed this at their site: http://desktopsims.com/GFORCE.htm Jeff Haas

>Shut up, Ian. Nice. So classy and cultured ... Where did I post "your sig" ??? You're using a statement *** I *** made as "your sig" and now its"yours" ... Oh, BTW ... I haven't changed my mind at all. You have absolutely no idea about controlling a "real" race car on any kind of "real" race track, or you would know that driving on a high-speed, banked oval at the limit is more challenging, and intense, than driving at the limit on a road course. There is nearly zero margin for error, whereas on a road course you can much more easily recover from an error. You base your entire knowledge of racing from computer simulations. They most definitely are not the "real" thing, or really even close to it. But you really do seem to have developed a penchant for following me around where ever I go. You don't see me hunting down your posts in every newsgroup you drop a line in ... You're beginning to exhibit signs of obsessive-complusive behavior, Phillip ... (BTW, its flattering to have fans, but this is too much ...) Only because you follow ... everywhere I go ... like the little "***-stalker" you are ... You archive my posts. Quote me in "your" sig. Follow along behind me where ever I go on USENET. Feel compelled to post a comment follow-up on each and every post I make. Attempt to write poetry about me. Send me unsolicited, insulting, and harassing e-mail (and obviously do to others, too ...). Seem to fixate on my every word or phrase ... Sounds pretty obsessive to me ... (Pssst ... Brain, everyone else is beginning to notice, too ...) Yep. I said it ... and I'll say it again. You really should try racing some in your lifetime (and not on your computer ...). You would quickly discover how much easier a road course is than an oval. Get outside some, Phillip. Get some sun. Get a life. Get your degree. Oh ... and seek some professional help. Allan

On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:06:55 -0500, "Ian Pratt" >Don't flatter yourself. I wouldn't stalk you if I were gay and had a *** >for sh*thouse lawyers. He was "projecting" ... :-) Trust me on this ... He's not a lawyer. He wants you and everyone else to "think" he is ... So it should be "Wanna-Be Lawyer of the Latrine" ... BTW, "tainting" is his middle name. He taints discussions. He taints votes ... Geez, the other day he admitted to voting on a CFV more than once ... Archiving his old post would be akin to trying to give your computer a virus ... I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you, Ian. Would you mind posting these two paragraphs over on ras-indy and ras-cart. It won't stop him from following us, or from his prattling, but it will give a few of those folks over there some points to bean him with ... I'm all for it. How about it folks ... Any thoughts, ideas, opinions on the merits-demerits of simulator wheel-edal combos ??? Thanks, Allan

> Don't flatter yourself. I wouldn't stalk you if I were gay and had a *** > for sh*thouse lawyers. You aren't? Whew, that's a relief. Get counsel and see (it would be libel, anyway). ************************************************************* "You really should try racing some in your lifetime (and not on your computer ...). You would quickly discover how much easier a road course is than an oval." -Allan Pagan

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> I'm looking for your opinions and ideas regarding what is the > *** ABSOLUTE BEST *** > Driving Simulation Wheel and Pedal combination avaiable on the > market. Though cost is certainly some consideration, I am willing to > spend quita bit to get the *** VERY BEST *** !!! > Please post your thoughts, opinions, ideas, reviews, etc. on what each > of you feels is the ultimate setup.

Here is what I am Currently using for a wheel and pedal setup: Microsoft Sidewinder force feedback wheel. I think buy.com has them for around $120 USD right now. The force feedback is not bad...kind of a nice touch.

Please don't bring the IRL / CART, RASI vs. RASC ***into RAS. Brian, do you *follow* Allan around merely to harrass him? I sure don't recall you making any great contributions here in RAS in the past, yet pop up the instant Allan asks a question. -- Ken's Sig 3.01 "Who is the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?" - Obi-Wan Kenobi Go #43 and #44! volksy (at) yahoo (dot) com > > I'm looking for your opinions and ideas regarding what is the > > *** ABSOLUTE BEST *** > > Driving Simulation Wheel and Pedal combination avaiable on the > > market. Though cost is certainly some consideration, I am willing to > > spend quita bit to get the *** VERY BEST *** !!! > Damn, Allan, for a guy who spends a lot of time absolutely dogging racing > sims and insulting the people who enjoy them, it's rather funny to see you > here. > Not surprising you're looking for the best, though; you are a millionaire > at least once over, correct? > Is this controller perchance to be used in training a new driver, in the > manner that Montoya, Gordon, Villeneuve, and others, learn the courses? > > Please post your thoughts, opinions, ideas, reviews, etc. on what each > > of you feels is the ultimate setup. > From what you tell us, it's an IRL car. Really don't know why you're > looking to do the sim thing like us lowly and stupid race fans. > > All posted replys and reviews are greatly appreciated. > It's "replies," Allan, and I'll be you won't appreciate this one. > -- > You really should try racing some in your lifetime (and not on your > computer ...). You would quickly discover how much easier a road > course is than an oval. > -Allan Pagan

There is a product in the works that will blow away the Hyperstimulator. I can't say more now, but be prepared to be blown away in the near future. -- JB Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

> Oh, BTW ... I haven't changed my mind at all. You have absolutely no > idea about controlling a "real" race car on any kind of "real" race > track, or you would know that driving on a high-speed, banked oval at > the limit is more challenging, and intense, than driving at the limit > on a road course. There is nearly zero margin for error, whereas on a > road course you can much more easily recover from an error. Just a few weeks ago, you said: ********* "Racing simulation games are *** NOT *** the real thing. Street courses may be fun on a simulator, but even some of the very best drivers I have ever met will tell you three very interesting things (and Micheal Andretti happens to be one of these ...); One, none of these drivers ever run a street course at the absolute 10/10ths they will on an open road course or on an oval, primarily because it is so easy to damage the car. Along with this goes their feeling that they must be a bit more conservative because running off and losing multiple places is so much hardr to recover from because of the lack of passing areas. Two, street courses are among the hardest on equipment, so they are forced to be somewhat more conservative in order to save the car. Surface transitions, manhole covers, bumps in odd spots all cause considerable grief to transmissions, clutches, half shafts, CV joints, etc., and suspension components often take a beating as well. Three,due to the nearly ever present proximity to other cars, at relatively low speed for these cars (which means they are sliding around more since none of the aerodynamic surfaces of the car are really contributing that much to the handling of the car in slow corners, of which there are many on street courses, but yet the teams have to optimize the aero package to work well on the fast corners where it does have some very beneficial effects. This usually leads to a car having a rather healthy understeer on slow corners) they tend to be once again, conservative, simply to avoid contact. Point being; for the most part, drivers are not actually showing you their best work when you see one driving a street course, and by and large, you are seeing the most defensive driving they will do during the course of the season, not hteir most agressive as some think." ************* O.K., Allan. Your hair to split. You just made the case that street courses are harder than ovals and road courses. Given, then, that an oval is harder than a road course, your hierarchy of difficulty is: 1. Street course 2. Oval 3. Road course Is this correct? How did you know I was thinking about getting another?

>O.K., Allan. Your hair to split. You just made the case that street >courses are harder than ovals and road courses. Given, then, that an oval >is harder than a road course, your hierarchy of difficulty is: Nope, Phillip ... No hair to split. Read it again. I didn't say anything of the kind. Sreet courses are a bit of a joke (just ask the drivers ... I have). There are no places to pass for the most part. Some of the corners are so ridiculously tight that the cars sometimes arly don't have the necessary turning radius and lock necessary to make the corner if there is more than one car in it. It is all too easy to damage the car, therefore putting yourself out of contention, that the drivers never drive them with theintensity they do on "real" road circuits and ovals. Though they are easy to crash on, they aren't the least bit intimidating, from a driver's viewpoint (i.e. you are much less likely to go to the hospital from a street course dust-up ...), etc., etc., etc. ... Nope. Let me spell it out for you ... (and don't forget, I gather my information by talking to the *** ACTUAL *** drivers, unlike you simply conjuring things out of thin air, and obviously the air is very thin between your ears ...) Most Difficult: Ovals, the faster and flatter they are, the tougher they become ... Next: Real Road Courses Least: Street Circuits Is that plain enough for you ??? I meant your first "real" one. The current degree you have (Underwater Basket-Weaving, isn't it ???), if it even exists, obviously didn't teach you much ... So ... The question is still out there ... And you're still dodging it, aren't you ??? Though you want us all to think so, you're not a lawyer, are you ??? Allan

> Please don't bring the IRL / CART, RASI vs. RASC ***into RAS. Why not? Pagan publicly mocks this group and regularly insults sims. I find it odd that he's at the same place he insults. See above. I don't know enough to contribute here. I do occasionally send an e-mail to a person looking for help, but I mostly harvest the good info posted here. It just really struck me as supremely hypocritical to see the same guy who said the below words coming to ras for aid and comfort. "Once agin you have simply proven you're a spineless, legend-in-your-own-mind, gutless wonder who prefers to hide away in the dark behind your CRT, preferring to "play" with yourself and your little driving simulators" It's real obvious that Pagan sneers at sims, yet he's now a big fan of them? ************************************************************* "You really should try racing some in your lifetime (and not on your computer ...). You would quickly discover how much easier a road course is than an oval." -Allan Pagan

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>> Please don't bring the IRL / CART, RASI vs. RASC ***into RAS. >Why not? Pagan publicly mocks this group and regularly insults sims. I >find it odd that he's at the same place he insults. >> Brian, do you *follow* Allan around merely to harrass him? I sure don't >> recall you making any great contributions here in RAS in the past, yet

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>> up the instant Allan asks a question. >See above. >I don't know enough to contribute here. I do occasionally send an e-mail >to a person looking for help, but I mostly harvest the good info posted >here. >It just really struck me as supremely hypocritical to see the same guy who >said the below words coming to ras for aid and comfort. >"Once agin you have simply proven you're a spineless, >legend-in-your-own-mind, gutless wonder who prefers to hide away in the >dark behind your CRT, preferring to "play" with yourself and your little >driving simulators" >It's real obvious that Pagan sneers at sims, yet he's now a big fan of

them? He is looking at them as part of a business decision. Brian, would you please let it go? Breathe deep....now, exhale. In.....and out...there.....Now let's get back to discussing simulators!!! Anyone have Sportscar GT that would like to get together for some online racing? I just got it 2 weeks ago, and feel ready to take on some "flesh an ***" opponents. Ian

>Why not? Pagan publicly mocks this group and regularly insults sims. I >find it odd that he's at the same place he insults. Never once have I publicly mocked this group, nor have I insulted sims. Never. I will freely admit to insulting you, however, just as the paragraph below you quote illustrates quite clearly. After this most interesting episode demonstrating your rather obsessive tendencies, perhpas the folks here understand why someone would want to insult you ... Yes, he does ... This is perhaps the most interesting thing I have ever seen you post ... You know far more about racing sims than "real" racing, yet you state here you don't know enough about sims to contribute here. Over on ras-indy and ras-cart, however, you are the self-professed eert as to all things racing, posting messages on subjects ranging from running an entire series, what tracks are most dangerous, safety improvements, driver-team interaction, what kind of track is most difficult to drive, etc., etc., etc. ... Explain that all to us again ... who's a hypocrite ??? I'll completely stand behind that statement, 100%, but the really sad thing here, Brain, is that everybody here can see that statement in no way sneered at sims, but at you and your unbelievable devotion to them; a devotion so complete and unrealistic that you actually would rather believe, from you experience with sims, and based solely on that experience, that an oval is the easier race track to drive at the limit, when any actual driver will tell you the exact opposite. Its your mindless devotion to your computer and all things connected with it that makes you feel you are an authority on all subjects, where its obvious even to the people here that the "real" thing is far different than a simulation. Just look at your mindless obsession with me ... Allan

> Just look at your mindless obsession with me ... > Allan An obsession can only rise to the level of its object. ********************************************************* "You really should try racing some in your lifetime (and not on your computer ...). You would quickly discover how much easier a road course is than an oval." -Allan Pagan

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>>Why not? Pagan publicly mocks this group and regularly insults sims. I >>find it odd that he's at the same place he insults. >Never once have I publicly mocked this group, nor have I insulted >sims. Never. >I will freely admit to insulting you, however, just as the paragraph >below you quote illustrates quite clearly. After this most interesting >episode demonstrating your rather obsessive tendencies, perhpas the >folks here understand why someone would want to insult you ...

<snipped> Just killfile each other and get it over with. -- Alan The Group B rally cars http://www.stormloader.com/groupb "I think my best co-driver was Jochen Berger. Jochen was not afraid of me..." - Walter R?hrl