so whats up Dave Noonan ???

Though, I'm no GPL fan, I think you should be DAMN glad for what he HAS done. How much did you pay for those tracks? It's not like it's some big moneymaking scheme on his part. I would just sit patiently and wait for whatever he offers. Gunner

"This guy" has already made 2 more tracks than the rest of us combined, he certainly doesn't owe us any more. Maybe he is working on a patch to give us GPL physics for N3. <G> Whatever he is doing, I'm sure it's more constructive than this post. "Karl Zosel" wrote

Many months ago this guy gives us Brands Hatch and Dubai. That was nice. But for the last months NOTHING at all has happened. No addons, carsets or whatsoever. The Fastlane.com is virtually dead. Why is this? Why doesn't Dave Noonan do anything at all for GPL anymore? If he lost interest, why doesn't he share the code to let others make tracks? ??? any views?

I can tell you almost exactly why he hasnt released anything yet. It takes a LONG time to edit a track. I've been working on my little project for close to 2 months now and im still not happy with it. A little preview of it: Its is a road course and its designed for N2/99. Its not a new track but an edited version of another one (i cant totally re-write the .trk file....ill leave that to the experts). Look for it in about mid to late January if all goes well. Chris

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> Many months ago this guy gives us Brands Hatch and Dubai. That was nice. > But for the last months NOTHING at all has happened. > No addons, carsets or whatsoever. > The Fastlane.com is virtually dead. > Why is this? > Why doesn't Dave Noonan do anything at all for GPL anymore? > If he lost interest, why doesn't he share the code to let others make > tracks?

David Noonan is working as hard as ever for the GPL community, I think you will be pleased when he releases his finished product, which will not be released before he feels that it's ready, David N has a very healthy approach to this thing IMO, he goes about his business, promises nothing and just delivers when he's good and ready, and amazes us all, even those that get a glimpse every now and then So don't worry Karl, David is still out there somewhere, working his magic for you and all the rest of us, when he's not doing the GP3 that is.......:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy

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>Many months ago this guy gives us Brands Hatch and Dubai. That was nice. >But for the last months NOTHING at all has happened. >No addons, carsets or whatsoever. >The Fastlane.com is virtually dead. >Why is this? >Why doesn't Dave Noonan do anything at all for GPL anymore? >If he lost interest, why doesn't he share the code to let others make >tracks? >??? any views?

First off, Dave does not create carsets or 'whatsoever'. He works completely with tracks/track 3do. Second, Fastlane.com is not where Dave hangs his hat, he works with The Pits. Third, Dave works on his own timetable and schedule, he will put out stuff when he gets it done, no sooner, no later. Cheers! ??Jan Kohl?? **The Pits Performance Team** Computer Systems Programmer USAF Air-Ground Operations School Hurlburt Field, FL Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/ The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/

Obviously, at this time of year Noonan's at a different address. You can reach him at DK PS: joke!

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> >Many months ago this guy gives us Brands Hatch and Dubai. That was nice. > >But for the last months NOTHING at all has happened. > >No addons, carsets or whatsoever. > >The Fastlane.com is virtually dead. > >Why is this? > >Why doesn't Dave Noonan do anything at all for GPL anymore? > >If he lost interest, why doesn't he share the code to let others make > >tracks? > >??? any views? > First off, Dave does not create carsets or 'whatsoever'. He works > completely with tracks/track 3do. > Second, Fastlane.com is not where Dave hangs his hat, he works with The > Pits. > Third, Dave works on his own timetable and schedule, he will put out stuff > when he > gets it done, no sooner, no later. > Cheers! > ??Jan Kohl?? **The Pits Performance Team** > Computer Systems Programmer > USAF Air-Ground Operations School > Hurlburt Field, FL > Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/ > The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/

writes: <*** mode> When was the last time YOU contributed to the *** experience? Dave does his magic, and usually doesn't charge for it. Don't shoot the gift horse. </*** mode> Patience, young Jedi... :-) -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

David Noonan (whomever that really is), is currently working on the full track converter. Joel Willstein

> David Noonan (whomever that really is), is currently working on the > full track converter. As far as I know, David Noonan is Geoff Crammond's alias when he's doing work for "The Pits", Jan Kohl recruited him on one of his many trips to the UK, I think they met over a pint in a pub somewhere, one of them remarked something about liking racing sims on the PC, and when Jan mentioned that he had now taken over the daily running of "The Pits" after Jed left, Geoff promptly asked him if he needed any help in any way as that was just *the* most awesome sim-racing site ha had ever seen and now that GP2 was ready, he needed something to do with his time, this is also why GP3 is taking so long of course, just imagine doing the GPL stuff during the day, and then try to squeeze in a bit of GP3 programming late at night, but at least he has his priorities right..... That's what I heard anyway, but to quote Ed Benson, "I could be wrong"..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy

Goy if you are going to be making speculations like that, you'd better have something to back them up with. Next you'll be telling me that Dave Kaemerer is the Pope and that some ex Governor from Arkansas is the President. c'mon..... :) dave henrie

> > As far as I know, David Noonan is Geoff Crammond's alias when he's >doing work for "The Pits", Jan Kohl recruited him on one of his many >trips to the UK, > Goy if you are going to be making speculations like that, you'd better > have something to back them up with. Next you'll be telling me that > Dave Kaemerer is the Pope and that some ex Governor from Arkansas is the > President. c'mon..... :) But but.......it's true, I swear.....I have friend in the UK, and his mother's cousin's husband is the caretaker over at the place two houses down from Geoff Crammonds place, and he told us this....., I've asked Jan about it, but he denies the whole thing of course Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy

What kind of shitty remark is this? Do I have to contribute myself JUST to be allowed to ask questions?? I am just wondering why NOTHING at all has been contributed by anyone over the last months. Fastlane.com is virtually dead.... and I just wonder why.

Now this is an answer to my question! Thanks a lot. I'm sick of all these ***s telling me I should go on my knees because Dave Noonan gave us 2 tracks months ago. I have a right to ask a question without getting kicked.

Maybe it's the way you "ask". buzz

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> > David Noonan (whomever that really is), is currently working on the > > full track converter. > Now this is an answer to my question! > Thanks a lot. > I'm sick of all these ***s telling me I should go on my knees because > Dave Noonan gave us 2 tracks months ago. I have a right to ask a question > without getting kicked.

The attitude of your question(as perceived by me) was nothing but whining and ***ing. It made me respond that way. I guess I was having a bad day, sorry. If you had asked like you just did(a more civil tone), I would have responded in kind. I haven't contributed any enhancements either, but I don't send messages that say "WTF is *taking* so long???" either. But I *did* say to be patient, remember? He's working on something now... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>I'm sick of all these ***s telling me I should go on my knees because >Dave Noonan gave us 2 tracks months ago. I have a right to ask a question >without getting kicked. It wasn't the question, but the rude way in which it was framed: "Why doesn't Dave Noonan do anything at all for GPL anymore? If he lost interest, why doesn't he share the code to let others make tracks?" It sounds like you expect or think you deserve something from Mr. Noonan. Maybe not what you intended, but that's how it reads. Joe McGinn _________________________ GA-Sports Writer http://www.ga-sports.com/

> > As far as I know, David Noonan is Geoff Crammond's alias when he's >doing work for "The Pits", Jan Kohl recruited him on one of his many >trips to the UK, > Goy if you are going to be making speculations like that, you'd better > have something to back them up with. Next you'll be telling me that > Dave Kaemerer is the Pope and that some ex Governor from Arkansas is the > President. c'mon..... :) But isn't there a professional wrestler now acting as a governor somewhere? ;^) l8er ronny -- The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX! |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

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>> > As far as I know, David Noonan is Geoff Crammond's alias when he's >doing >work for "The Pits", Jan Kohl recruited him on one of his many >trips to the >UK, >> Goy if you are going to be making speculations like that, you'd better >> have something to back them up with. Next you'll be telling me that >> Dave Kaemerer is the Pope and that some ex Governor from Arkansas is the >> President. c'mon..... :) >But isn't there a professional wrestler now acting as a governor somewhere? >;^)

...and an actor...? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Dave, How did you figure it out :)) Joel Willstein

Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The supposition is Goy's. He could be right, but without proof...:) > personally, I'd like to see a note in the GP3 credits that "thanks" Dave > Noonan, that would cement the tie fairly well. > dave henrie Dave, I personally think that David Noonan is a "pen" name used by one of the programers at Papyrus. Case in point is Brands Hatch. Is anyone going to tell me that one person,no matter how great of a prgrammer he or she is, has all the skills and experise needed to create a track from scratch with the level of detail that Brands has. Joel Willstein

The supposition is Goy's. He could be right, but without proof...:) personally, I'd like to see a note in the GP3 credits that "thanks" Dave Noonan, that would cement the tie fairly well. dave henrie

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> > > As far as I know, David Noonan is Geoff Crammond's alias when he's > >doing work for "The Pits", Jan Kohl recruited him on one of his many > >trips to the UK, > > Goy if you are going to be making speculations like that, you'd better > > have something to back them up with. Next you'll be telling me that > > Dave Kaemerer is the Pope and that some ex Governor from Arkansas is the > > President. c'mon..... :) > > dave henrie > Dave, > How did you figure it out :)) > Joel Willstein

> The supposition is Goy's. He could be right, but without proof...:) > personally, I'd like to see a note in the GP3 credits that "thanks" Dave > Noonan, that would cement the tie fairly well. > dave henrie Supposition ??? Ok, have *you* ever seen Geoff Crammond and David Noonan together ? As for the "tie", if he uses David Noonan as an alias, why would he be mentioned in the credits ? no need to thank himself is there..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy

Joel Willstein <[email hidden]> wrote: : I personally think that David Noonan is a "pen" name used by one of the : programers at Papyrus. Case in point is Brands Hatch. Is anyone going to : tell me that one person,no matter how great of a prgrammer he or she is, has : all the skills and experise needed to create a track from scratch with the : level of detail that Brands has. Not a knock against his work, but the Brands Hatch track has several graphical errors that fit more with the work of a skillful amateur rather than someone inside the company. Stephen

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote: > Clearly the guy has no friends / family / life outside of his computer > screen. On an unrelated note : I heard that people in jails have a lot of free time on their hands... Ooooh bite me! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Joel Willstein <[email hidden]> wrote > I personally think that David Noonan is a "pen" name used by one ofthe > programers at Papyrus. Case in point is Brands Hatch. Is anyone going to > tell me that one person,no matter how great of a prgrammer he or she is,has > all the skills and experise needed to create a track from scratch with the > level of detail that Brands has. Your conspiracy theory is false. David is a person with great technical abilities. Be sure he isn't even the only one with that knowledge, but he was the person with the best understanding to apply it the correct way. You just need patience and addiction. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: > You just need patience and addiction. And probably not spend time reading newsgroups and message boards all day long. Now if only I could do the same. - George

frankly - the Brands Hatch is amazing... Clearly the guy has no friends / family / life outside of his computer screen. ANY other way and the sheer enormity of the project, the dedication to the track and the game, and intense hard work of research etc..and it would never have got finished. Anyone trying any others.. Doug "George M. Smiley" wrote:

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> > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > You just need patience and addiction. > > And probably not spend time reading newsgroups and > message boards all day long. Now if only I could do > the same. > > - George

> >Your conspiracy theory is false. David is a person with great technical >abilities. Be sure he isn't even the only one with that knowledge, but he >was the person with the best understanding to apply it the correct way. > >You just need patience and addiction. Erm, check th news at the GPLEA site to underline Francois' words :-) http://www.gpl.netti.nu Matt

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> > > >-- >-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> >-- May the Downforce be with you... > >"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise >how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world." > > >

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> > Dave, > > I personally think that David Noonan is a "pen" name used by one of the > programers at Papyrus. Case in point is Brands Hatch. Is anyone going to > tell me that one person,no matter how great of a prgrammer he or she is, has > all the skills and experise needed to create a track from scratch with the > level of detail that Brands has.

1. You are wrong, he's Geoff Crammond I tell you...:-) 2. Yes, he *has* those skills and expertise, now whether or not he in fact did it all on his own or used stuff from other people to make the first "user" track for GPL I don't know, but the skills are there, and if it wasn't for the fact that he *has* a life outside of sim editing, who knows *what* we would have seen by now.... And the last item there is one I wish Papy (and others) would look into, making their sims more open ended, allowing, maybe even encouraging, the user base to create tracks and other add-on's for their stuff and charging a few $'s for it, just imagine what stuff we could have seen by now if guys like David Noonan (and others) could do this at least part time ? A dream.... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy

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> > And the last item there is one I wish Papy (and others) would look into, > making their sims more open ended, allowing, maybe even encouraging, the > user base to create tracks and other add-on's for their stuff and > charging a few $'s for it, just imagine what stuff we could have seen by > now if guys like David Noonan (and others) could do this at least part > time ? > > A dream....

Probably a better idea would be to make every racing sim developed by any one manufacturer to be completely compatible with every other racing sim created by the same manufacturer. I.E. Make N2 completely compatible with N1, N3, N4. Each being compatible with each other. AND Make GPL compatible with the NASCAR series sims. AND make ICR 1,2,3.. compatible with GPL and NASCAR(s).. ect.. That way, at least for me, We wouldn't get board with running the same tracks over and over and over. Maybe we could do one better.. create a converter and place it on the CD of the newest game(s) so that we could convert the old games with the new one. Every time a new game was created, create a new converter so that that game can use the old games.. you know what I mean. We'd end up with a game that will never get boring because of the lack of tracks. -- ========================================= Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing� ========================================= http://members.xoom.com/BarlowRacing/ Racing online with the help of...... Race Communications Association Holodyne Engineering Mystic Music (have Your !!Name/Address!! placed here)

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> That is exactly what is happening with SCGT. They are making cars > never > intended to run with the program, 2 tracks are available with more > comming. I can't count high enough to mention how many new car shapes > and paintskins have been made. the user base has gone wild over at > gtinsider. > it is almost more fun trying to keep up with the changes than > driving.... > (whack!) slapped myself for saying that...;) > dave henrie

Dave, I completely agree!!!!!!! Whenever I need a break from GPL, I insert my SCGT CD and run the Trans-Am cars. Joel Willstein

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> > And the last item there is one I wish Papy (and others) would look into, > making their sims more open ended, allowing, maybe even encouraging, the > user base to create tracks and other add-on's for their stuff and > charging a few $'s for it, just imagine what stuff we could have seen by > now if guys like David Noonan (and others) could do this at least part > time ? > > A dream.... > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy

That is exactly what is happening with SCGT. They are making cars never intended to run with the program, 2 tracks are available with more comming. I can't count high enough to mention how many new car shapes and paintskins have been made. the user base has gone wild over at gtinsider. it is almost more fun trying to keep up with the changes than driving.... (whack!) slapped myself for saying that...;) dave henrie