Papy still alive?

Any news about the future of Papyrus? I've just got N3.... but I wonder about a possible new sim in the near future. Can we hope for a CART sim (or NASCAR...) with GPL physics in y2k? Stefano

Papyrus survived the recent Sierra reorganization so it's future should be ok. I haven't seen anything concrete about ANY future CART product. I think the plan is to release a Craftsmen Truck expansion pak for N3 and then update N3 by Xmas next year...still probably without using the GPL engine. dave henrie

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> Any news about the future of Papyrus? > I've just got N3.... but I wonder about a possible new sim in the near > future. > Can we hope for a CART sim (or NASCAR...) with GPL physics in y2k? > Stefano

> Papyrus survived the recent Sierra reorganization so it's future > should be ok. I haven't seen anything concrete about ANY future CART > product. I think the plan is to release a Craftsmen Truck expansion pak > for N3 and then update N3 by Xmas next year...still probably without > using the GPL engine. I doubt that Kaemmer's Nascar sim will go another year without being released. My guess is that they are continuing to work on it as we speak, and if we're lucky maybe we'll see something by next summer. Whenever we see it - it will take over as the sim of sims IMO. --David Cook

I've sure got my fingers crossed :) -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends

>I doubt that Kaemmer's Nascar sim will go another year without being >released. My guess is that they are continuing to work on it as we speak, >and if we're lucky maybe we'll see something by next summer. >Whenever we see it - it will take over as the sim of sims IMO. Hmm, I wonder how long papy will continue the numbering process of Nascar games.......4, 5, maybe switch to Roman numerals. I think a Nascar game based on the gpl engine would be a revolution of sorts........hehe, wait, wasn't there already a Nascar Revolution? =P Can we revoke a title if the game is clearly not revolutionary? Sorry, no more thinking, back to racing! Brian Fox http://www.geocities.com/~foxman If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal.

A Nascar sim can never become the sim of sims, in my humble opinion. What is it with this NASCAR thing? Incomprehensible... Is it really that much dough in Nascar sim racing? Is the american market THAT big? ---Asgeir---

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> > Papyrus survived the recent Sierra reorganization so it's future > > should be ok. I haven't seen anything concrete about ANY future CART > > product. I think the plan is to release a Craftsmen Truck expansion pak > > for N3 and then update N3 by Xmas next year...still probably without > > using the GPL engine. > I doubt that Kaemmer's Nascar sim will go another year without being > released. My guess is that they are continuing to work on it as we speak, > and if we're lucky maybe we'll see something by next summer. > Whenever we see it - it will take over as the sim of sims IMO. > --David Cook

Let's put it this way. Papyrus was founded by Open Wheel racing fans. The first several efforts were all open wheel. Nascar was sort of a sideline venture, the Hawaii multiplayer experiment, the upgraded graphics, that was all gonna payoff in the Indycar sim....welllllll 7 or 8 Nascar products later, we are still waiting for another CART update. The core of the old Papyrus is gone, only the original big cheese David K is left..how well did his last open wheel title sell??? Yes Nascar is huge...you can't believe the money comming in. Why are so many racing series in America in trouble?? Cuz Nascar is sucking up the TIME, Money, and TV coverage. Nascar recently signed an exclusive TV package instead of spreading it around as in the past. This "could" be a good thing as it will force the networks that got left out to scramble for "some" sort of racing to air. The American LeMans Series just might benefit the most. But as long as TG (whose name I shan't utter) keeps the open wheel racing in a devided state of chaos, you won't see any product with the might of Nascar.

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> A Nascar sim can never become the sim of sims, in my humble opinion. > What is it with this NASCAR thing? Incomprehensible... > Is it really that much dough in Nascar sim racing? Is the american market THAT > big? > ---Asgeir--- > > > Papyrus survived the recent Sierra reorganization so it's future > > > should be ok. I haven't seen anything concrete about ANY future CART > > > product. I think the plan is to release a Craftsmen Truck expansion pak > > > for N3 and then update N3 by Xmas next year...still probably without > > > using the GPL engine. > > I doubt that Kaemmer's Nascar sim will go another year without being > > released. My guess is that they are continuing to work on it as we speak, > > and if we're lucky maybe we'll see something by next summer. > > Whenever we see it - it will take over as the sim of sims IMO. > > --David Cook

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> Let's put it this way. Papyrus was founded by Open Wheel racing fans. > The first several efforts were all open wheel. Nascar was sort of a > sideline venture, the Hawaii multiplayer experiment, the upgraded > graphics, that was all gonna payoff in the Indycar sim....welllllll > 7 or 8 Nascar products later, we are still waiting for another CART > update. The core of the old Papyrus is gone, only the original big > cheese David K is left..how well did his last open wheel title sell??? > Yes Nascar is huge...you can't believe the money comming in. Why are > so many racing series in America in trouble?? Cuz Nascar is sucking up > the TIME, Money, and TV coverage. > Nascar recently signed an exclusive TV package instead of spreading it > around as in the past. This "could" be a good thing as it will force > the networks that got left out to scramble for "some" sort of racing to > air. The American LeMans Series just might benefit the most. But as > long as TG (whose name I shan't utter) keeps the open wheel racing in a > devided state of chaos, you won't see any product with the might of > Nascar.

Do Indy500 was the first Papyrus game ? I've bought my first joystick espcially for this game, the PC was an Amstrad PC1512, in CGA monochrome, 3h hour to complete a full race :o) And i remember , if somebody moved the mouse it created inteference on the joystick and often you finished on the wall :o) How many times i had to run after my syster because she killed me in a mouse-indycar crash ? :o) i'd like to know if papyrus sell more units in US or in the rest of the world ? because Indycar is more popular than Nascar in Europe. -- ============================================================================== Sebastien Tixier - Game Developer http://www.eden-studios.fr http://www.vrally.com http://www.multimania.com/hclyon ==============================================================================

According to ESPN, Dale Jarrett is the world's best race driver of 1999... http://espn.go.com/auto/nascar/news/1999/1201/206089.html And a drag racer finishes ahead of Mika Hakkinen. Is drag racing really driving? To me "driving" a car implies turning the steering wheel at some point. glen

Certainly Mika can't be considered the Worlds Greatest Driver based on this year's efforts. He repeatedly made crtitical mental errors that resulted in the Championship being drawn out far too long. While I will agree he definately derserves the World Championship, his erratic driving this past season is reason enough to knock his ranking down a peg or two... I know the F1 lads will get in an uproar over this, but the true drivers...the RALLY pilots...hardly got a mention did they? dave henrie(flame retardant Monitor)

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> >What is it with this NASCAR thing? Incomprehensible... > According to ESPN, Dale Jarrett is the world's best race driver of 1999... > http://espn.go.com/auto/nascar/news/1999/1201/206089.html > And a drag racer finishes ahead of Mika Hakkinen. > Is drag racing really driving? To me "driving" a car implies turning the > steering wheel at some point. > glen

You can't be serious.

Well, Dave since both the world champion in Formula 1 and in World Rally championship are from Finland they are getting very much coverage over here <G>. In fact the biggest problem is which one of them will be named the driver of the year in Finland. Hakkinen has won two championships in a row now and Tommi Makinen has won an unprecedented four championships in a row in WRC. My vote this year would go to Tommi Makinen. And talking about mistakes, didn't Schumi make a mistake when he broke his leg and thus was unable to compere for the title this year? I can't remember anyone giving a comprehensive explanation of car failure resulting in Schumi's crash in Silverstone. To me it looked like Michael was in a hurry to get past his teammate, got into the dirty part of the track, maybe even drove too fast for that part of the track and simply lost it all by himself. They all make mistakes every now and then after all. Pekka Heino Team BHMS www.bhmotorsports.com

Yes they do..I thought Schumi's axident was explained as total rear brake failure. Sure he was charging hard inside Irvine, but there was no braking at all even after the corner was cooked. If it had been driver error, then the corner would have been smothered in smoke as he locked up trying just to save the corner... But don't get me started on Schue either. Everyone claims he's the master of handling pressure. Yet when Damon was pressuring him in Adelaide and Jacques two years ago in the last race, he cracked like a dropped egg. :) I'm sure the mainly American Journalists doing the voting also weighted Jarret's vote tally since he's the guy who was supposed to flopp, who couldn't fill Davey Allison's shoes. later! dave henrie

>Want to show us where it says WORLD's best race driver? The inclusion of Mika Hakkinen (#3), Eddie Irvine(#11), Michael Schumacher(#13), and other F1 drivers obviously makes it a world list. I think it gives a good snapshot of how americans view the world of motor sport. As someone else pointed out, no rally drivers.

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>On Fri, 03 Dec 1999 00:34:21 GMT, >>>Want to show us where it says WORLD's best race driver? >>The inclusion of Mika Hakkinen (#3), Eddie Irvine(#11), Michael >>Schumacher(#13), and other F1 drivers obviously makes it a world list. >>I think it gives a good snapshot of how americans view the world of motor >>sport. >Do you think any European 'World's Best Driver's List' will have >any CART or NASCAR drivers included? >I doubt it.

I would actually think so. A lot of European drivers in CART ... Hena

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>>What is it with this NASCAR thing? Incomprehensible... >According to ESPN, Dale Jarrett is the world's best race driver of 1999... >http://espn.go.com/auto/nascar/news/1999/1201/206089.html >And a drag racer finishes ahead of Mika Hakkinen. >Is drag racing really driving? To me "driving" a car implies turning the >steering wheel at some point. >glen

My vote is for Montoya. .