Rumor has it those are N3 tracks on GSB, but they're still working out the
bugs. I honestly don't know any more than that. Hope someone can fill us
in. (GPL at Indy and Talladega- drool...)
>The demo version from The Pits only seems to convert Watkins Glen and
>Loudon. I see other tracks on GSB so I am wondering if the full version is
>availabe. If anyone could help I would be appreciative. Thanks, Andrew,
Converted ovals and F3 drafting in GPL
Rumours of N3 tracks such as Indianapolis and Talladega converted to GPL on GSB led to talk of drafting with GPL's F3 cars. Michael Barlow and Ron Ayton described bump-drafting at Monza, and others hoped for converted road courses. A tangent covered top-speed tests of stock cars versus prototypes.
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> Rumor has it those are N3 tracks on GSB, but they're still working out the
> bugs. I honestly don't know any more than that. Hope someone can fill us
> in. (GPL at Indy and Talladega- drool...)
GPL *F3* at Indy and Talladega- drool.. ;-) Talk about a IRL sim, hehe
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The demo version from The Pits only seems to convert Watkins Glen and
Loudon. I see other tracks on GSB so I am wondering if the full version is
availabe. If anyone could help I would be appreciative. Thanks, Andrew,
>> Rumor has it those are N3 tracks on GSB, but they're still working out the
>> bugs. I honestly don't know any more than that. Hope someone can fill us
>> in. (GPL at Indy and Talladega- drool...)
> GPL *F3* at Indy and Talladega- drool.. ;-) Talk about a IRL sim, hehe
Dega in F3? Could racing be any more boring than that?
IMO, of course :)
Hena
hehe.. you're missing the point. Constant drafting! you have to be
really good to not only keep a draft, but to be able to pass with the
draft. Then to hope that the driver using your draft can't use it to
pass you. Draft Heaven! ;-)
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> > > GPL *F3* at Indy and Talladega- drool.. ;-) Talk about a IRL sim, hehe > > Dega in F3? Could racing be any more boring than that? > > IMO, of course :) > > Hena > hehe.. you're missing the point. Constant drafting! you have to be > really good to not only keep a draft, but to be able to pass with the > draft. Then to hope that the driver using your draft can't use it to > pass you. Draft Heaven! ;-)Quoted text (13 lines)
> > > GPL *F3* at Indy and Talladega- drool.. ;-) Talk about a IRL sim, hehe > > Dega in F3? Could racing be any more boring than that? > > IMO, of course :) > > Hena > hehe.. you're missing the point. Constant drafting! you have to be > really good to not only keep a draft, but to be able to pass with the > draft. Then to hope that the driver using your draft can't use it to > pass you. Draft Heaven! ;-) > --Quoted text (23 lines)
> > > > GPL *F3* at Indy and Talladega- drool.. ;-) Talk about a IRL sim, hehe > > > Dega in F3? Could racing be any more boring than that? > > > IMO, of course :) > > > Hena > > hehe.. you're missing the point. Constant drafting! you have to be > > really good to not only keep a draft, but to be able to pass with the > > draft. Then to hope that the driver using your draft can't use it to > > pass you. Draft Heaven! ;-) > > -- > LOL! Think we can get them going fast enough to create any kind of meaningful > draft? ;-) > -- > Chuck Kandler #70 > ChuckK or KS70 on Won.net > K&S Racing > http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 > The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX!Surely you realize that the physics won't really compare? Also don't
forget that just because your driving line (and lap times) changes
significantly between sims (don't start) doesn't mean there's a flaw in the
physics: the PHYSICAL cars are different, too. Just like you can't drive a
Chrysler Imperial the same way you can a Corvette over the same course. I
think you'll get misleading results. Besides, we already know nothing comes
anywhere close to GPL's physics accuracy.
Gunner
Believe me Chuck, there are ways to get these F3 cars up to very high
speeds by drafting, as long as the driver has had the foresight to dial
in a tall enough top gear..
I have seen Mike doing speeds a F3 car shouldn't be able to achieve at
Monza, through drafting.. :)))
For those of you that havn't tried drafting/racing/dicing in F3 cars,
all i can say is you don't know what fun you are missing out on.!!
"Yes", it does require skill to be able to draft and dice cleanly,
because the gaps between the regulars in F3 racing is usually inches,
not yards, but it is well worth it...
Cheers,
Ron
Like if you don't know ! ;-)
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Not yet, Andrew. It's under testing now.
Stefano
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> >Just to compare F1 1969 times to cart times. So i could compare ICR2 > physics > >to GPL physics. I hope GPL times will be much much slower :o) > Surely you realize that the physics won't really compare? Also don't > forget that just because your driving line (and lap times) changes > significantly between sims (don't start) doesn't mean there's a flaw in the > physics: the PHYSICAL cars are different, too. Just like you can't drive a > Chrysler Imperial the same way you can a Corvette over the same course. I > think you'll get misleading results. Besides, we already know nothing comes > anywhere close to GPL's physics accuracy. > GunnerQuoted text (12 lines)
>> > GPL *F3* at Indy and Talladega- drool.. ;-) Talk about a IRL sim, hehe >> Dega in F3? Could racing be any more boring than that? >> IMO, of course :) >> Hena > hehe.. you're missing the point. Constant drafting! you have to be >really good to not only keep a draft, but to be able to pass with the >draft. Then to hope that the driver using your draft can't use it to >pass you. Draft Heaven! ;-)>> > > GPL *F3* at Indy and Talladega- drool.. ;-) Talk about a IRL sim, hehe
to be
>> really good to not only keep a draft, but to be able to pass with the
>> draft. Then to hope that the driver using your draft can't use it to
>> pass you. Draft Heaven! ;-)
>well, could be cool, but i'm more interrested with portland,toronto,sears
>point,cleveland,elkart lake,etc.. ( road track ).
Amen to that!
Hena
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>> > Dega in F3? Could racing be any more boring than that? >> > IMO, of course :) >> > Hena >> hehe.. you're missing the point. Constant drafting! you haveQuoted text (29 lines)
> > > > > GPL *F3* at Indy and Talladega- drool.. ;-) Talk about a IRL sim, hehe > > > > Dega in F3? Could racing be any more boring than that? > > > > IMO, of course :) > > > > Hena > > > hehe.. you're missing the point. Constant drafting! you have to be > > > really good to not only keep a draft, but to be able to pass with the > > > draft. Then to hope that the driver using your draft can't use it to > > > pass you. Draft Heaven! ;-) > > > -- > > LOL! Think we can get them going fast enough to create any kind of meaningful > > draft? ;-) > > -- > > Chuck Kandler #70 > > ChuckK or KS70 on Won.net > > K&S Racing > > http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 > > The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX! > At Monza, The only way to pass someone on either of the straits > is if > you are drafting. The Regular F3 drivers have been using Bump drafting > to get away from everyone behind us :) > --The CART Champ cars have had a great deal of their downforce taken
away. On a course like Portland, you "should" see faster times from the
Champ cars, but if you really want to see the difference go back about 5
years, those cars could drive through the tunnel at Monaco, on the
ceiling/upside down. Same for the F1 cars. Go back 10 years to the
1000+hp Turbo cars.
The comparison I've always wanted to see would be to compare the lap
times at a large track(Indy, Talladega) between open wheel variants and
the closed wheeled GTP, LMS cars. I have heard the open tires on the
champ cars produce big gobs of drag. The old tiny-motored AAR Toyota
Eagle IMSA cars were thought to be faster than Indy cars of the same
time period...It would make for an interesting article.
dave henrie
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> > >Just to compare F1 1969 times to cart times. So i could compare ICR2 > > physics > > >to GPL physics. I hope GPL times will be much much slower :o) > > Surely you realize that the physics won't really compare? Also don't > > forget that just because your driving line (and lap times) changes > > significantly between sims (don't start) doesn't mean there's a flaw in the > > physics: the PHYSICAL cars are different, too. Just like you can't drive a > > Chrysler Imperial the same way you can a Corvette over the same course. I > > think you'll get misleading results. Besides, we already know nothing comes > > anywhere close to GPL's physics accuracy. > > Gunner > I'm totaly agree with you. > Okey, ICR2 physics is not realist as GPL ones, but lap times, acceleration > and speed are quite realist. > The GPL times,acceleration and speed are realist too, plus physics is. > So normally, GPL on portland must has slower laps than ICR2. > If not, well, maybe, ICR2 tracks have not the same scale than GPL ones. > Thus,it would be interesting to calculate the length tracks (and easy ). > Just drive at 22,5 mph ( 10m/s ), take time, and calculate track length. > Time in second * 10. it will give aproximate length in meter. > -- > ============================================================================== > Sebastien Tixier - Game Developer > http://www.eden-studios.fr > http://www.vrally.com > http://www.multimania.com/hclyon > ==============================================================================Continuing the off topic thread of speed. Road and Track (I think) Did a
speed test between a Winston Cup Car and a Porsche GTP car. They ran the
cars on a giant test track, looking for all out speed. I know the WC car was
the Late Tim Richmond's Folger's Monte Carlo, the Porsche... I can't recall.
But anyway.. this was done. Maybe a look on the R&T site will help, or
someone else remembers this issue.
Later,
Brit
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>Continuing the off topic thread of speed. Road and Track (I think) Did a
>speed test between a Winston Cup Car and a Porsche GTP car. They ran the
>cars on a giant test track, looking for all out speed. I know the WC car was
>the Late Tim Richmond's Folger's Monte Carlo, the Porsche... I can't recall.
>But anyway.. this was done. Maybe a look on the R&T site will help, or
>someone else remembers this issue.
Yes, I remember the article. The WC car won, because it was set up
for superspeedways, and the GTP wasn't. They never could remove
enough downforce/drag from the GTP car to get it to top speed, nor was
it clear they had tall enough gears. They also had extra drag from
the too-wide tires. IIRC, there wasn't that much HP difference
between them.
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On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 16:03:12 +0100, Sebastien Tixier
>well, could be cool, but i'm more interrested with portland,toronto,sears
>point,cleveland,elkart lake,etc.. ( road track ).
>Just to compare F1 1969 times to cart times. So i could compare ICR2 physics
>to GPL physics. I hope GPL times will be much much slower :o)
Up 'til now the are... Or maybe I drive like shit...
Francois Dubuc,
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