Are you married to a Gamer? (editorial)

I do believe the proper title of that book is "Women are From Venus, Men are From the Later Levels of Halflife." That guy smuggling the game boxes in the trunk sounds like a mafia hitman hiding body parts. Of course there are some of us whose girlfriends initially don't like games but after listening to us say "c'mon, try Starcraft, it's really fun," they try it. All of a sudden they want to play games as much as you do and you have to battle for control of the computer chair. Whoops, I meant to say ex-girlfriends. Sorry.

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>My editorial on how *** can affect relationships just went up on >RivalWorks: >[link lost in import] >Most people reading this message probably ARE the gamer, but feel free >to print out the article and give it to your better half! >Comments are welcome. >Joe McGinn

I'm a single guy and always have been, but I enjoyed the majority of your article. It's a known fact that friction can result because of computer ***. The only blasphemy I have about your article is that I don't know what you were thinking when you mentioned the following: "To make it worse, the computer must be upgraded on a nearly annual basis in order to play the latest and greatest games (which are, naturally, the only kind any self-respecting *** gamer wants to play)." Well, I've been a gamer for about 20 years, and I enjoy so-called "older games". I'm not just talking about stuff from the 1980s, but stuff from the last five years including the last couple of years. I don't know where this mentality comes from that the newest games are the only ones worth playing. Just my opinion and observation. Other than that, a good article with a lot of stuff I've heard before, although there is some new stuff in there I haven't heard. Still, while it's important to balance your free time between the computer and your "significant other", there are a lot worse things spouses can be doing. Like ha-ha-ing around town, or being ***ed to internet chat (a major thing). I enjoy reading these types of articles, and other than that one statement, your article is well done! ~NightSky 421~

My editorial on how *** can affect relationships just went up on RivalWorks: [link lost in import] Most people reading this message probably ARE the gamer, but feel free to print out the article and give it to your better half! Comments are welcome. Joe McGinn _________________________ GA-Sports Writer http://www.ga-sports.com/

Well yeah just imagine the plight of 2 gamers married to each other. *2 computers* that need to be upgraded, and whoever has a lesser edge is planning to upgrade... "Gaaaaah - he now has a slightly better graphics card & 66 Mhz more in the CPU. Can't stand it... must get Athlon *now* " "Get off my computer, I don't care that Half Life works better on it go play on your machine!" "Hey, who took the C&C II CD, i wanted to replay it for a while" Life is hard I can't imagine what it would be with children.... "honey can you see what the matter is? I really can't leave Rogue Spear right now.. what? you're doing a nostalgia round in Dark Forces, eh? grmblblbl you win, i go" iphigenie

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>My editorial on how *** can affect relationships just went up on >RivalWorks: >[link lost in import] >Most people reading this message probably ARE the gamer, but feel free >to print out the article and give it to your better half! >Comments are welcome.

Good article. Just like anything else, the key is moderation. Easier said than done though :) My wife doesn't get upset anymore when I upgrade or buy a new computer because she and the kids get my old one. In fact they're all bugging me to get them a new one but I don't need a new one for myself so they're going to have to wait. The only thing she gets pissed about now is if I let the kids play all day. I agree with her, but it's a lot of fun to play network games with them :) I don't buy as many games as I used to and I sell all my old games (and I always make sure she sees me shipping out the games I sell) so that's not a problem any more. -Krud

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>The only blasphemy I have about your article is that I don't know what you >were thinking when you mentioned the following: "To make it worse, the >computer must be upgraded on a nearly annual basis in order to play the latest >and greatest games (which are, naturally, the only kind any self-respecting >*** gamer wants to play)." >Well, I've been a gamer for about 20 years, and I enjoy so-called "older >games". I'm not just talking about stuff from the 1980s, but stuff from the >last five years including the last couple of years. I don't know where this >mentality comes from that the newest games are the only ones worth playing. >Just my opinion and observation.

I agree some older games are worth playing. However: Like most people, I get bored playing games that were not written to be replayable. After a while, you can play with your eyes shut. As newer games come out, they are written with sloppier and sloppier code, balooning from a game that fit on half a CD, to multiple CDs with relatively no increase in gameplay. To get the consumer to buy the thing, they emphasize dazzling graphics which look great on an Athlon or such, but we have to turn off to get the pig to run at over 5 fps. Even the turn-based games, which should run on a bleepin' 486 require a Pentium 200 with 64Mb and 200 MB free disk space. WTF? We can't stop time, pretend no new games came out, and pretend to be content playing older games. So, naturally we have to scramble to keep on the "bleeding edge", or be sentenced to pressing our noses against the glass and watching others have the fun.

*LOL* This sounds exactly like our household :) where there is 3 of us - myself, my girlfriend and her 13 year old son - all playing games together. Or trying to :) And having *3* machines to upgrade. The trick is to keep them all one step apart, so that when the top one gets upgraded, the parts left over trickle down to the next machine. Nige.

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>Well yeah just imagine the plight of 2 gamers married to each other. >*2 computers* that need to be upgraded, and whoever has a lesser >edge is planning to upgrade... >"Gaaaaah - he now has a slightly better graphics card & 66 Mhz more in the >CPU. >Can't stand it... must get Athlon *now* " >"Get off my computer, I don't care that Half Life works better on it go

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>on your machine!" >"Hey, who took the C&C II CD, i wanted to replay it for a while" >Life is hard >I can't imagine what it would be with children.... "honey can you see what >the matter is? I really >can't leave Rogue Spear right now.. what? you're doing a nostalgia round in >Dark Forces, eh? >grmblblbl you win, i go" >iphigenie >> My editorial on how *** can affect relationships just went up on >> RivalWorks: >> [link lost in import]

My husband and I solved this problem by trying, whenever possible, to get identical equipment. Well, part of that was also that my computers love me, and his tend to have cranky days.. so it was more his decision that if we had the same hardware, if it runs for me it'll run for him. When we upgrade, we make the same upgrades to both machines. If we can't afford to upgrade both, they don't get upgraded until we can afford both. See above. ;) See above. ;) Hehe.. can't wait for this one. We have an 11 year old (who has his own computer, but doesn't get the choice upgrades - he gets handmedowns). He's old enough to take care of himself for the most part unlike younger kids who need more attention. But now we have a gamer in the oven, I mean baby on the way, and I do wonder how it will effect our ***... I'm thinking you can keep the kid on your lap, but then again with most of the scary/*** FPS's that's probably not a good idea. Time for a fourth computer with one of those big trackballs. ;) -- Rivalworks, Inc. http://www.rivalworks.com Find your perfect opponent at RivalWorks!

>I agree some older games are worth playing. However: >Like most people, I get bored playing games that were not written to be replayable. >After a while, you can play with your eyes shut. As newer games come out, they are >written with sloppier and sloppier code, balooning from a game that fit on half a CD, >to multiple CDs with relatively no increase in gameplay. To get the consumer to buy the >thing, they emphasize dazzling graphics which look great on an Athlon or such, but we have to Pentium 200 with 64Mb and playing older games. Your post is a much more constructive way at discussing older games rather than saying that the newest games are the only ones worth playing, although I am hoping Joe will discuss his position on the issue... You are right that many games are solvable and that you can eventually play them with your eyes shut (as the saying goes). However, a lot of the older games that I still play involve variables, mostly notably, pinball games. No two games are alike and I can still have "good games" and "bad games". You make other good points that games which should run on a 486 now require a much better system than that, and it's hard to explain why. Although I'm not into the game myself, Command and Conquer was a game that ran great on a 486/66 and now a new release of the game requires a Pentium 166 but recommends a P2-233. I agree with you...WTF? I thought when they came out with CD-ROM games that you wouldn't have install much data on your hard drive if you didn't want to. At first, it was true. I was led to believe that it would be a hard drive space-saving device, yet the installs get bigger and bigger all the time. And I really don't know why when most gamers have CD-ROM drives of at least 16X and going as high as 52X and beyond. With those kinds of speeds, there's no need for the manufacturers to demand so much hard drive for a game install. I guess it's a ploy to force us to buy bigger and bigger hard drives every couple of years. Joe does make some good points in his article. The fact that you have to upgrade on a annual basis if you want to play the newest games (decently) is very close to the truth. I'd say a more realistic number is 18 months unless you're just buying the cheapest new processor and video card available. There was a time when you could buy a new mid-level processor (and board) and you would not have to upgrade for three years. However, I noticed that all started to change around the time the Pentium 60 came out. The only good news about upgrades is that although they must occur more often if you want to play the newest stuff decently, the cost is a lot less. It cost me over $800 (I'm in Canada) in late 1993 to upgrade to a Intel 486SX/33, motherboard and four megabytes of RAM, all installed. Within 18 months of doing that upgrade, it became apparent because of games like Nascar and NHL 96 that I had to upgrade again. But by this point, the Pentium was out and somewhat in vogue. One thing I noticed is that if you have a slower machine, fewer people will come (and less frequently) to visit you to see the computer. 1000MHz processors are said to be out by next summer (quite believable), and there's noise being made about 64-bit processors hitting the market too. Thankfully, these sorts of things won't be necessities when they first come out. :-) ~NightSky 421~

<<but feel free to print out the article and give it to your better half!>> I thought I *was* the better half!!! Warlock!

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> My editorial on how *** can affect relationships just went up on > RivalWorks: > [link lost in import] > Most people reading this message probably ARE the gamer, but feel free > to print out the article and give it to your better half! > Comments are welcome. > Joe McGinn > _________________________ > GA-Sports Writer > http://www.ga-sports.com/

Hey Krud, how do you sell your old games? over this newsgroup? I've got some oldies I'd like to get rid of. Jacunta

:-) I thought this was part of the Old Boy Network.. DD > My husband and I solved this problem by trying, whenever possible, to > get identical equipment.

>Joe does make some good points in his article. The fact that you have to >upgrade on a annual basis if you want to play the newest games (decently) is >very close to the truth. Hi Nightsky, Thanks very much for your constructive comments in this thread. Actually, the quote above is really what I was alluding to. I did not mean to imply that old games are not worth playing. One of my favorite sports sims of all time is the circa-1988 Amiga version of Wayne Gretzky Hockey. And I have found few arcade racers as much fun as the original version of Need for Speed. The point I was trying to make is that any serious gamer will want to play at least SOME new games, and that requires fairly up-to-date hardware. Thanks again for your comments! Joe McGinn _________________________ GA-Sports Writer http://www.ga-sports.com/

>Of course there are some of us whose girlfriends initially don't like games >but after listening to us say "c'mon, try Starcraft, it's really fun," they >try it. All of a sudden they want to play games as much as you do and you >have to battle for control of the computer chair. LOL! My wife and I had to make a system for sharing "the chair" in online Rogue Spear sessions. Three turns each, even if we die quick! Joe McGinn _________________________ GA-Sports Writer http://www.ga-sports.com/

>The trick is to keep >them all one step apart, so that when the top one gets upgraded, the parts >left over trickle down to the next machine. That's a good point ... I've been thinking along those very same lines. Once I get my next upgrade we can make a second games-capable system with my "old" Pentium 2 300. Joe McGinn _________________________ GA-Sports Writer http://www.ga-sports.com/

>If we can't afford to upgrade both, they don't get upgraded >until we can afford both. That's a good system. Tough, but fair. LOL! I can only imagine the nightmares of a baby who grows up in front of System Shock 2. Joe McGinn _________________________ GA-Sports Writer http://www.ga-sports.com/

>:-) >I thought this was part of the Old Boy Network.. Well, she didn't post HERE exactly ... that thread is cross-posted to the action and autosim groups. Meghan probably posting from "action". ;-) Joe McGinn _________________________ GA-Sports Writer http://www.ga-sports.com/

Bingo! Sorry to intrude. I'll go back where I belong now. *grin* -- Rivalworks, Inc. http://www.rivalworks.com Find your perfect opponent at RivalWorks!

Meghan's been around for a long time! * Cory Muzyka * Vancouver, BC, Canada

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> :-) > I thought this was part of the Old Boy Network.. > DD > > My husband and I solved this problem by trying, whenever possible, to > > get identical equipment.

Try www.ugtz.com. It is a community for those of us who trade used games, and most of us are pretty decent people. :) Just go in, create a profile, list the games you have available, and the games you're looking for, and they'll match you up with other users. Each user has his (or her) trading history tracked, we provide feedback on each other, etc. It's really cool. Try it out.

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>>Joe does make some good points in his article. The fact that you have to >>upgrade on a annual basis if you want to play the newest games (decently) is >>very close to the truth. >Hi Nightsky, >Thanks very much for your constructive comments in this thread. >Actually, the quote above is really what I was alluding to. I did not >mean to imply that old games are not worth playing. One of my favorite >sports sims of all time is the circa-1988 Amiga version of Wayne >Gretzky Hockey. And I have found few arcade racers as much fun as the >original version of Need for Speed. >The point I was trying to make is that any serious gamer will want to >play at least SOME new games, and that requires fairly up-to-date >hardware. Thanks again for your comments! >Joe McGinn

Although this sounds somewhat different than your editorial, I'm sure it was originally an oversight. Nothing raises my *** ire more than someone implying that serious gamers only play the newest stuff, but you've come out and responded in a good way here. I fully agree that gamers like to at least play some of the newest stuff...hey...that's part of what makes us serious gamers! :-) If all goes according to plan (which so far it is), my Pentium 166 will be replaced by a K6-2 450 in five weeks, then an AGP video card not too long following that. It'll be nice to once again have a machine of decent power after 26 months of rebuilding my computer setup from virtually nothing. NHL 2000 will probably be the first thing for me to try out again... ~NightSky 421~

>Hey Krud, how do you sell your old games? over this newsgroup? I've >got some oldies I'd like to get rid of. On comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.marketplace or www.ugtz.com -Krud

>The point I was trying to make is that any serious gamer will want to >play at least SOME new games, and that requires fairly up-to-date >hardware. Thanks again for your comments! I think the situation is getting better. I don't have to upgrade as often as I used to. Even with P3's available a fast P2 with 128mb is good enough for most new games. In fact Delta Force 2 is the only game I have now that maxes out a P2-400. It even maxes out a P3-500, but that's because of the Voxel engine and 32 bit colors. -Krud

>:-) >I thought this was part of the Old Boy Network.. Meghan is just like one of the guys, except she probably can't burp or fart at will. -Krud

yeah, but does she like "The Three Stooges"? -- Kenny L. #14 Generic Chevy PRC Member Wall Scrapers Racing Team > >:-) > >I thought this was part of the Old Boy Network.. > Meghan is just like one of the guys, except she probably can't burp or fart at > will. > -Krud

>yeah, but does she like "The Three Stooges"? and then there's the toilet seat thing.... ~daxe (whose posts often seem to mention toilets) -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

>I think the situation is getting better. I don't have to upgrade as often as >I used to. To some degree you are right. I still have my one-year-old P2 300 and Voodoo2 combo. I'm hoping it will last me a while longer. Joe McGinn _________________________ GA-Sports Writer http://www.ga-sports.com/

>>yeah, but does she like "The Three Stooges"? >and then there's the toilet seat thing.... If I ever build a house it will have urinals in every bathroom. I used to go outside if I was working out in the ba***t (instead of walking upstairs) but then my son started doing it so I had to stop. I put a bathroom in the ba***t. I should have put a urinal in. Doh! -Krud

>>>yeah, but does she like "The Three Stooges"? >>and then there's the toilet seat thing.... >If I ever build a house it will have urinals in every bathroom. I used to go >outside if I was working out in the ba***t (instead of walking upstairs) but >then my son started doing it so I had to stop. I put a bathroom in the >ba***t. I should have put a urinal in. Doh! I have always wondered why it is considered rude for men to leave the toilet seat up after use when women might have to use it, but it is not considered rude for women to leave it down when men might need it. I guess it's just one of *those* things ~daxe "3 bathrooms" rexford -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

toilet seat up after use when women might have to use it, but it is not considered rude for women to leave it down when men might need it. 'Cuz if a woman gets up in the middle of the night, fairly woozy, and has to use the can, she's likely to fall in if you leave the seat up. Whereas a guy may accidentially***on the toilet seat if it's left down, but it's easier to clean that up than it is to clean up the mess falling in might make. Josh

It's the fall in factor :)

That "rule" was obviously made by a woman. -- Kenny L. #14 Generic Chevy PRC Member Wall Scrapers Racing Team > > I have always wondered why it is considered rude for men to leave the > toilet > > seat up after use when women might have to use it, but it is not > considered > > rude for women to leave it down when men might need it. > It's the fall in factor :)

this pre-supposes that her ass is small enough to fit in. -- Kenny L. #14 Generic Chevy PRC Member Wall Scrapers Racing Team

>Oh, and you *never* ever had any use for a toilet seat down, really? The irony here is that, like many things, I was actually brought up to put the seat down and I do it without thinking. I also put the lid down, which my wife had to un-train me to do. She gets up about 8 times a night to pee and needs the lid to be up so she doesn't sit on it and try and piss. I solved the whole issue by designating the master bathroom as 'hers' and the hall bathroom as 'his.' ~daxe -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

seat is down (what, men don't ever have to "sit down" in the middle of the night?), you deserve to fall in. You'd be surprised...it's happened to me before. Nobody ever said humanity was at its' sharpest during the wee hours of the night. ;-) Josh

LOL...this is true. But...nobody ever said it made 100% sense. Them's just the way things is. Josh

While this is now SERIOUSLY offtopic, I need to make one observation: I _sit_ on the can maybe once a day, but I **ALWAYS** check if the lid is down and dry. No matter HOW drunk I've been, I STILL haven't fallen in. Why can't women check, too? How many times a day do THEY sit on the can? Gunner (whose mother taught him VERY well to ALWAYS lower the lid [a feat I performed even while on a ship in the Navy])

>>If we can't afford to upgrade both, they don't get upgraded >>until we can afford both. >That's a good system. Tough, but fair. Our household follows the "leapfrog" principle: I get the faster computer this time, she'll get the faster CD, then I'll get a faster video card, then she'll get 4-speaker sound, etc. If we waited to save up enough for BOTH of us to upgrade we'd still have P-133's! lol. Now we have 4 computers between us, and I'm building up one for my stepdaughter out of leftover parts, too. It's her Xmas present. Gunner

I Nightsky, the reasons games are getting larger are sometimes obvious (all those images of airplanes and 3D cars, stadiums and opponents takes a LOT of space) and sometimes not (we are slowly, constantly whining about having just "one more feature" added). But the latency of a CD-ROM is still around 100ms even for a 52X. That's about as slow as a floppy drive. While installing a game, all the files are sequential so it's pretty quick, but once it's running, the game needs to randomly access files which would take FOREVER on a CD-ROM drive. If you're worried about space, get an Orb (2.1GB removable for $39 and 12ms access). Gunner

>LOL! My wife and I had to make a system for sharing "the chair" in >online Rogue Spear sessions. Three turns each, even if we die quick! >Joe McGinn >_________________________ That's a GREAT idea for those "1-Computer Households." I solved it by handing my then-girlfriend (now wife) the parts and making her build her own. She learned a lot and asks fewer questions that way. Gunner

The secret to a happy marriage? Separate bathrooms! Oh, and a wife that likes auto racing :-). Lutrell I

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>solved the whole issue by designating the master bathroom as 'hers' and the >hall bathroom as 'his.' >~daxe > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! >------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers

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This works for me and my wife, too. It also has allowed me to build a pretty nice Linux system (through the trickle down effect) that I want to throw games onto now. -CZ

..and that women are complete idiots. If you can't handle making sure the seat is down (what, men don't ever have to "sit down" in the middle of the night?), you deserve to fall in. Kirk (who lives in an all-male house and has never seen nor experienced anyone falling into the toilet) : this pre-supposes that her ass is small enough to fit in. : -- : Kenny L. : #14 Generic Chevy : PRC Member : Wall Scrapers Racing Team : > > I have always wondered why it is considered rude for men to leave the : > toilet : > seat up after use when women might have to use it, but it is not considered : > rude for women to leave it down when men might need it. : > : > 'Cuz if a woman gets up in the middle of the night, fairly woozy, and has to : > use the can, she's likely to fall in if you leave the seat up. Whereas a guy : > may accidentially***on the toilet seat if it's left down, but it's easier : > to clean that up than it is to clean up the mess falling in might make. : > : > Josh : > : > -- Note - change address if replying to this post: klg3 AT cornell DOT edu (<-- make the obvious changes...)

Oh, and you *never* ever had any use for a toilet seat down, really? Iphi

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> >>If we can't afford to upgrade both, they don't get upgraded > >>until we can afford both. > >That's a good system. Tough, but fair. > Our household follows the "leapfrog" principle: I get the faster > computer this time, she'll get the faster CD, then I'll get a faster video > card, then she'll get 4-speaker sound, etc. > If we waited to save up enough for BOTH of us to upgrade we'd still

have > P-133's! lol. Now we have 4 computers between us, and I'm building up one > for my stepdaughter out of leftover parts, too. It's her Xmas present. our system here too! Works well, i guess, if you don't mind having all those extra computer parts around. IPHI

>this pre-supposes that her ass is small enough to fit in. LOL! Joe McGinn _________________________ GA-Sports Writer http://www.ga-sports.com/

: >..and that women are complete idiots. If you can't handle making sure the : seat is down (what, men don't ever have to "sit down" in the middle of the : night?), you deserve to fall in. : You'd be surprised...it's happened to me before. Nobody ever said humanity : was at its' sharpest during the wee hours of the night. ;-) : Josh :-) I probably should have kept quiet--I recently was told that I carried on quite the conversation the other night (while _I_ thought I was asleep). I guess if I'm capable of that, I'm most likely not above missing a misplaced seat... K -- Note - change address if replying to this post: klg3 AT cornell DOT edu (<-- make the obvious changes...)

On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:27:40 -0600, "Josh Hiscock" Yeah, but which one would be funnier? I think the correct answer is fairly obvious! :) -Slash "In the beginning, there was nothing, which exploded." - Terry Pratchett

fairly obvious! :) Sure, until it happens to YOU. I used to be really bad about leaving it up. Then, one late night after staying up all night finishing a long-assed essay for AP English, I got up at 3:30 in the morning, went in with the lights out, sat down, and found that my ***was suddenly dripping wet and I was struggling to keep that from happening to the rest of me. Care to guess how many times I've left it up since? ;-) Josh

: I have always wondered why it is considered rude for men to leave the toilet : seat up after use when women might have to use it, but it is not considered : rude for women to leave it down when men might need it. Perhaps it's a question of aesthetics. When I visit some of my friends' places (all-male houses) and see the state of the porcelain bowl, I can understand the request to drop the seat back down. Stephen

On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:06:09 -0800, "Don Hancock (\"Gunner\")" > While this is now SERIOUSLY offtopic, I need to make one >observation: I _sit_ on the can maybe once a day, but I **ALWAYS** check if >the lid is down and dry. No matter HOW drunk I've been, I STILL haven't >fallen in. Why can't women check, too? How many times a day do THEY sit on >the can? I'm pregnant. About 15 times a day. In a non-pregnant state, about 3 or 4. See, guys only have to sit occasionally - women have to sit EVERY TIME. It's just common courtesy. :) And at 3 o'clock in the morning, chances are (as a woman) you're not thinking about the seat being up - since you never put it up yourself, at all. Meghan (er, can't believe I'm posting in this one - lol!)

I leave the seat down (always have....) but for purely asthetic reasons. Which looks nicer? When the seat is left up, it just looks bad, I prefer the seat down, AND the lid down, it just looks so much better. If you were having guests over, and you were going around the house making everyhting perfect, I think one of the things you would do would be to put down the seat. Therefore you should always do it. Just my take on things.... speedracer > On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:06:09 -0800, "Don Hancock (\"Gunner\")" > > While this is now SERIOUSLY offtopic, I need to make one > >observation: I _sit_ on the can maybe once a day, but I **ALWAYS** check if > >the lid is down and dry. No matter HOW drunk I've been, I STILL haven't > >fallen in. Why can't women check, too? How many times a day do THEY sit on

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> >the can? > I'm pregnant. About 15 times a day. In a non-pregnant state, about 3 > or 4. See, guys only have to sit occasionally - women have to sit > EVERY TIME. It's just common courtesy. :) And at 3 o'clock in the > morning, chances are (as a woman) you're not thinking about the seat > being up - since you never put it up yourself, at all. > Meghan (er, can't believe I'm posting in this one - lol!)

: I leave the seat down (always have....) but for purely asthetic reasons. v-----------v : Which looks nicer? When the seat is left up, it just looks bad, I prefer : the seat down, AND the lid down, it just looks so much better. If you were : having guests over, and you were going around the house making everyhting : perfect, I think one of the things you would do would be to put down the Agree with stuff from v----------v to here but ... : seat. Therefore you should always do it. ...this doesn't follow. I would _never_ want my living space to have "everyhting perfect"; that wouldn't be living. (comment to Meghan below :-) : Just my take on things.... : speedracer : > On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:06:09 -0800, "Don Hancock (\"Gunner\")" : > : > > While this is now SERIOUSLY offtopic, I need to make one : > >observation: I _sit_ on the can maybe once a day, but I **ALWAYS** check : if : > >the lid is down and dry. No matter HOW drunk I've been, I STILL haven't : > >fallen in. Why can't women check, too? How many times a day do THEY sit : on : > >the can? : > : > I'm pregnant. About 15 times a day. In a non-pregnant state, about 3 : > or 4. See, guys only have to sit occasionally - women have to sit : > EVERY TIME. It's just common courtesy. :) And at 3 o'clock in the : > morning, chances are (as a woman) you're not thinking about the seat : > being up - since you never put it up yourself, at all. : > : > Meghan (er, can't believe I'm posting in this one - lol!) Meghan, I'm not picking on you (and I like having the other side represented in a discussion of such a volatile topic) but why don't you ever put it up yourself? I always thought the reason for wanting the seat down was to avoid having to touch the (most likely soiled) underside. I mean, if the sleep-induced thing were the only problem, the rule should be that the seat goes down as the last thing before bed (by the last user? the woman?), not that the seat should go down. What I'm getting at is that neither party should bear the total burden of the "touch"--if you're not willing to raise the seat because a male might use it, it shouldn't be expected that the male should lower it because you might. Each "side" adjusts to the conditions that are presented to them. (This philosophy works best on equally balanced households sex-wise. Obviously a woman living with many males will end up "always" finding the seat up and that's not so balanced..) K (who oviously hasn't had to live with women for many years :-) -- Note - change address if replying to this post: klg3 AT cornell DOT edu (<-- make the obvious changes...)

...isn't there a rec.toilets.seats NG somewhere out there, where people can talk about toilet setups and their PB's in "Hassle-Free Pissing At 3.00 AM" ? Maybe you could also form an offline league... :-) Peter Vienna, Austria > : I leave the seat down (always have....) but for purely asthetic reasons. > v-----------v > : Which looks nicer? When the seat is left up, it just looks bad, I prefer > : the seat down, AND the lid down, it just looks so much better. If you were > : having guests over, and you were going around the house making everyhting

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> : perfect, I think one of the things you would do would be to put down the > Agree with stuff from v----------v to here but ... > : seat. Therefore you should always do it. > ...this doesn't follow. I would _never_ want my living space to > have "everyhting perfect"; that wouldn't be living. > (comment to Meghan below :-) > : Just my take on things.... > : speedracer > : > On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:06:09 -0800, "Don Hancock (\"Gunner\")" > : > > : > > While this is now SERIOUSLY offtopic, I need to make one > : > >observation: I _sit_ on the can maybe once a day, but I **ALWAYS**

check > : if > : > >the lid is down and dry. No matter HOW drunk I've been, I STILL haven't > : > >fallen in. Why can't women check, too? How many times a day do THEY sit

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> : on > : > >the can? > : > > : > I'm pregnant. About 15 times a day. In a non-pregnant state, about 3 > : > or 4. See, guys only have to sit occasionally - women have to sit > : > EVERY TIME. It's just common courtesy. :) And at 3 o'clock in the > : > morning, chances are (as a woman) you're not thinking about the seat > : > being up - since you never put it up yourself, at all. > : > > : > Meghan (er, can't believe I'm posting in this one - lol!) > Meghan, > I'm not picking on you (and I like having the other side > represented in a discussion of such a volatile topic) but > why don't you ever put it up yourself? I always thought > the reason for wanting the seat down was to avoid having > to touch the (most likely soiled) underside. I mean, if > the sleep-induced thing were the only problem, the rule > should be that the seat goes down as the last thing before > bed (by the last user? the woman?), not that the seat should > go down. What I'm getting at is that neither party should > bear the total burden of the "touch"--if you're not willing to > raise the seat because a male might use it, it shouldn't > be expected that the male should lower it because you > might. Each "side" adjusts to the conditions that are > presented to them. (This philosophy works best on equally > balanced households sex-wise. Obviously a woman living with > many males will end up "always" finding the seat up and > that's not so balanced..) > K (who oviously hasn't had to live with women for many years :-) > -- > Note - change address if replying to this post: > klg3 AT cornell DOT edu (<-- make the obvious changes...)

I'd respond to this, but I have a reputation to maintain. ;) -- Rivalworks, Inc. http://www.rivalworks.com Find your perfect opponent at RivalWorks!

hahaha, I like it, I like it, but my server doesn't carry this NG:-( Okl, ok, I'm joking before someone posts a reply thinking I'm serious. > ...isn't there a rec.toilets.seats NG somewhere out there, where people can > talk about toilet setups and their PB's in "Hassle-Free Pissing At 3.00 AM"

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> ? Maybe you could also form an offline league... :-) > Peter > Vienna, Austria > > : I leave the seat down (always have....) but for purely asthetic

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> > v-----------v > > : Which looks nicer? When the seat is left up, it just looks bad, I > prefer > > : the seat down, AND the lid down, it just looks so much better. If you > were > > : having guests over, and you were going around the house making > everyhting > > : perfect, I think one of the things you would do would be to put down

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> > Agree with stuff from v----------v to here but ... > > : seat. Therefore you should always do it. > > ...this doesn't follow. I would _never_ want my living space to > > have "everyhting perfect"; that wouldn't be living. > > (comment to Meghan below :-) > > : Just my take on things.... > > : speedracer > > : > On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:06:09 -0800, "Don Hancock (\"Gunner\")" > > : > > > : > > While this is now SERIOUSLY offtopic, I need to make one > > : > >observation: I _sit_ on the can maybe once a day, but I **ALWAYS** > check > > : if > > : > >the lid is down and dry. No matter HOW drunk I've been, I STILL > haven't > > : > >fallen in. Why can't women check, too? How many times a day do

THEY > sit > > : on > > : > >the can? > > : > > > : > I'm pregnant. About 15 times a day. In a non-pregnant state, about 3

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> > : > or 4. See, guys only have to sit occasionally - women have to sit > > : > EVERY TIME. It's just common courtesy. :) And at 3 o'clock in the > > : > morning, chances are (as a woman) you're not thinking about the seat > > : > being up - since you never put it up yourself, at all. > > : > > > : > Meghan (er, can't believe I'm posting in this one - lol!) > > Meghan, > > I'm not picking on you (and I like having the other side > > represented in a discussion of such a volatile topic) but > > why don't you ever put it up yourself? I always thought > > the reason for wanting the seat down was to avoid having > > to touch the (most likely soiled) underside. I mean, if > > the sleep-induced thing were the only problem, the rule > > should be that the seat goes down as the last thing before > > bed (by the last user? the woman?), not that the seat should > > go down. What I'm getting at is that neither party should > > bear the total burden of the "touch"--if you're not willing to > > raise the seat because a male might use it, it shouldn't > > be expected that the male should lower it because you > > might. Each "side" adjusts to the conditions that are > > presented to them. (This philosophy works best on equally > > balanced households sex-wise. Obviously a woman living with > > many males will end up "always" finding the seat up and > > that's not so balanced..) > > K (who oviously hasn't had to live with women for many years :-) > > -- > > Note - change address if replying to this post: > > klg3 AT cornell DOT edu (<-- make the obvious changes...)

or 4. And don't forget those occasions when you have a bad burrito. Oy. :-) They don't HAVE to, but it certainly makes it easier. <g> Josh (being a little humorous in a chauvinistic way, I guess)

7 1/2 hard. -- [link lost in import] Pikachu could kick Neo's ass any day.

While I agree whole-heartedly, I must say I haven't laughed so hard while reading this group in a long time. It's a nice change from the usual comparitive ***-measuring. -Phasor

Hasn't Alison Hine posted on this group??

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> >Meghan is just like one of the guys, except she probably can't burp or fart at > >will. > I'd respond to this, but I have a reputation to maintain. ;) > -- > Rivalworks, Inc. http://www.rivalworks.com > Find your perfect opponent at RivalWorks!

-- Todd Norbury Norbury Technologies

Here! Here! None of the newer NFS games have been as fun (in my opinion) as the original. There are four driving games on my computer that I play: GPL (all the time) Viper (sometimes) SCGT (rarely, but maybe more if I get SP3) NFS (the original, sometimes) GP2 is there and I'd play it, but the game won't recognize the P4 game card I've got my controllers hooked up through. :( I bought N3, but it's not much good for me except as a vehicle to get Indy for the (hopefully) upcoming N3->GPL track converter. It irks me that I'm gonna have to blow another $50 on NL, yet another rehash of the N2 game engine, so I can have Riverside available for conversion. -Chris- Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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> I leave the seat down (always have....) but for purely asthetic reasons. > Which looks nicer? When the seat is left up, it just looks bad, I prefer > the seat down, AND the lid down, it just looks so much better. If you were > having guests over, and you were going around the house making everyhting > perfect, I think one of the things you would do would be to put down the > seat. Therefore you should always do it. > Just my take on things....

Geeze, are you afraid people will judge you by the position of your toilet seat? The only time the lid has been down on one of my toilets is when I wanted to sit on it to trim my toenails. I'll bet you put fuzzy covers on the tank and seat too. Personally, I hate those things because it usually makes it impossible to keep the seat up without holding it with one hand. It seems like people go through a lot of trouble to disguise their toilets as if they're embarrassed to have people know that they use them.

Used to be nine but it got slammed in the toilet seat.

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> 7 1/2 hard. > -- > [link lost in import] > Pikachu could kick Neo's ass any day. > > While I agree whole-heartedly, I must say I haven't laughed so hard while > > reading this group in a long time. It's a nice change from the usual > > comparitive ***-measuring. > > -Phasor

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> > I leave the seat down (always have....) but for purely asthetic reasons. > > Which looks nicer? > Geeze, are you afraid people will judge you by the position of your > toilet seat? The only time the lid has been down on one of my toilets > is when I wanted to sit on it to trim my toenails. I'll bet you put > fuzzy covers on the tank and seat too.

But the main point (which you danced around) still stands. I agree that it looks nicer down. Ray

If I could get Screamer 2 to run adequately on my system (something is always screwed, whether it's graphics or sound) it would still be my favorite no-brainer racer.

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> > And I have found few arcade racers as much fun as the > > original version of Need for Speed. > Here! Here! None of the newer NFS games have been as > fun (in my opinion) as the original. There are four > driving games on my computer that I play: > GPL (all the time) > Viper (sometimes) > SCGT (rarely, but maybe more if I get SP3) > NFS (the original, sometimes) > GP2 is there and I'd play it, but the game won't recognize > the P4 game card I've got my controllers hooked up through. :( > I bought N3, but it's not much good for me except as a > vehicle to get Indy for the (hopefully) upcoming N3->GPL > track converter. It irks me that I'm gonna have to blow another > $50 on NL, yet another rehash of the N2 game engine, so I can > have Riverside available for conversion. > -Chris- > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

>... the (hopefully) upcoming N3->GPL >track converter. Really? Why am I suddenly thinking about online GPL racing at Talledega? ;-) Joe McGinn _________________________ GA-Sports Writer http://www.ga-sports.com/

writes: So *who* has the top machine? <g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>> I have always wondered why it is considered rude for men to leave the >toilet >seat up after use when women might have to use it, but it is not considered >rude for women to leave it down when men might need it. >'Cuz if a woman gets up in the middle of the night, fairly woozy, and has to >use the can, she's likely to fall in if you leave the seat up. Whereas a guy >may accidentially***on the toilet seat if it's left down, but it's easier >to clean that up than it is to clean up the mess falling in might make. > Josh

If she just sits down without checking the seat, it's her own damn fault... <g> Eldred - who's not married... :-) -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Of course there are some of us whose girlfriends initially don't like games >but after listening to us say "c'mon, try Starcraft, it's really fun," they >try it. All of a sudden they want to play games as much as you do and you >have to battle for control of the computer chair. Whoops, I meant to say >ex-girlfriends. >Sorry.

Don't you have more than one computer...? <g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> >> I have always wondered why it is considered rude for men to leave the > >toilet > >seat up after use when women might have to use it, but it is not considered > >rude for women to leave it down when men might need it. I heard a very good response to this debate that settled it for me... "the woman is most likely the one that does the cleaning and what-not of it, so she gets it her way" - I'll buy that, and anytime there's a woman in the house, I make it a point to leave the seat down...... ~now if i can just remember to raise it BEFORE, i'll be in good shape