racing game poll.... post your list

Ok so what is everybody's top five games: 1. for pure pleasure/fun factor 2. for ultimate sim - physics & setup your list may go something like this: fun/pleasure: 1. Grand Prix 2 2. RC2000 3. GPL 4. SCGT 5. CMRally sim 1. GPL 2. SCGT 3 GP2 4. viper racing 5 RC2000 -- Rich "The Jackal" Senior digital animator, the Moving Picture Company Lotus cars site: http://www.jackalsforge.freeserve.co.uk/lotus.html Elise pages: http://www.jackalsforge.freeserve.co.uk/lotus.html Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

: Ok so what is everybody's top five games: : 1. for pure pleasure/fun factor : 2. for ultimate sim - physics & setup This list changes as new things come out. Barrel of monkeys: 1. RC2000 2. SCGT 3. GPL 4. NFS-HS 5. GP2 Rocket science: 1. GPL 2. SODA 3. Viper 4. SCGT (patched) 5. Gran Turismo

Fun/Pleasure: 1. SCGT 2. Grand Prix 2 3. Grand Prix Legends (F2) 4. IndyCar Racing 2 5. Grand Prix 1 Sim: 1. Grand Prix Legends 2. Grand Prix 2 3. Sports Car GT 4. NASCAR 3 5. IndyCar Racing 2

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> Ok so what is everybody's top five games: > 1. for pure pleasure/fun factor > 2. for ultimate sim - physics & setup > your list may go something like this: > fun/pleasure: > 1. Grand Prix 2 > 2. RC2000 > 3. GPL > 4. SCGT > 5. CMRally > sim > 1. GPL > 2. SCGT > 3 GP2 > 4. viper racing > 5 RC2000 > -- > Rich "The Jackal" > Senior digital animator, the Moving Picture Company > Lotus cars site: http://www.jackalsforge.freeserve.co.uk/lotus.html > Elise pages: http://www.jackalsforge.freeserve.co.uk/lotus.html > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

-- Rob Swindells Goldline Bearings FFord Championship: http://swindells.8m.com BAR-Honda-Jacques Villeneuve-2000 Champions

> : Ok so what is everybody's top five games: > : 1. for pure pleasure/fun factor > : 2. for ultimate sim - physics & setup Entertaining Stuff 1) TOCA 2 - (pc) 2) CMR - (Playstation) 3) RS2K - (pc) 4) F1 '97 (playstation) 5) Indycar 2 Shit the bed that's hard work... 1) GPL 2) GP2 3) Cart Precision Racing. 4) Indycar 2 5) Nascar 1 Hows about a 'must have hardware' type thing.... 1) ATA Digital Headphones 2) 'Big Breakfast' massive mug for Tea and Coffee 3) MSFF wheel - still love it 4) MS Wheel Mouse...good for browsing down the pits. 5) My Digital Camera...for those hair rasing moments when I go gliding. 6) P3-500 Picked it up cheap...Ooo- lovely 7) Sb live Platinum - georgous D3D etc... 8) A comfy chair - still looking. 9) Girlfriend who also likes racing / flight sims 10) A playstation Doug

For a good time, call: 1. Dirt Track Racing 2. Viper Racing 3. ABC Indy Racing (underrated, especially if you're an IRL fan) 4. ICR2 5. GPL When you care enough to send the very best: 1. Dirt Track Racing 2. Viper Racing 3. GPL 4. ICR2 5. ABC Indy Racing (setups count -- almost as good as ICR2 in many ways) -- JB Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

fun/pleasure: N3 SCGT ICR2 GP2 Viper sim: GPL N3 SCGT Viper Racer X Veteran Sim Racer Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

> 9) Girlfriend who also likes racing / flight sims This is what is needed to be the happiest man in the world :) Too bad it is the only thing on your list that can't be bought with money. -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

Favourites List v1.0 Shooting fish in a barrel : 1) GPL 2) GP2 3) CM Rally 4) TOCA Touring Car 2 5) MGPRS 2 / Gran Turismo (if we're including PSX stuff on Bleem) Three years hard labour : 1) GPL 2) GP2 3) GP500 4) SCGT 5) MGPRS 2

fun/pleasure: GP2 sim: GP2

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> Ok so what is everybody's top five games: > 1. for pure pleasure/fun factor > 2. for ultimate sim - physics & setup > your list may go something like this: > fun/pleasure: > 1. Grand Prix 2 > 2. RC2000 > 3. GPL > 4. SCGT > 5. CMRally > sim > 1. GPL > 2. SCGT > 3 GP2 > 4. viper racing > 5 RC2000 > -- > Rich "The Jackal" > Senior digital animator, the Moving Picture Company > Lotus cars site: http://www.jackalsforge.freeserve.co.uk/lotus.html > Elise pages: http://www.jackalsforge.freeserve.co.uk/lotus.html > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

What the heck is STCC?? And.. Is there a demo out there?

fun/pleasure: 1. Nascar 3 2. Nascar Legends 3. GPL 4. MGPRS 5. Midtown Madness sim 1. GPL 2. SCGT 3 Nascar 3 4. MGPRS 5 ICR2 John (no sig)

>What the heck is STCC?? Around here it stands for Springfield Technical Community College: http://www.stcc.mass.edu/ Then again, this isn't exactly Sweden.... ~daxe -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

fun/pleasure: 1. GPL 2. STCC 3. SCGT 4. RC2000 5. NFS:HS Pleasure is the ultimate good... --- Antti Markus Peteri 15 miles. your dim light shines from so far away - Soul Asylum, Promises Broken

Hey, you play STCC!!?? How is it? Is it worth importing (and learning swedish to play it ;-) ??? TIA Zolli

1.MGPRS2 It's so fun to get pissed off ! ;-) (that was a joke) 2.Star Wars : POD Racer (the ultimate fun factor of "being on the edge" 3.GPL. I have great pleasure racing it 4.IndyCar Racing 2. After all those years Im still having a blast on the street courses. 5.Nascar Legends. Fun, fun...and more fun! Sim: 1.Grand Prix Legends. The only "real" sim ;-) 2.Nascar Racing Legends 3.Nascar Racing 3 (the tyre wear is less accurate in N3 imho and also I feel the AI is a little worse in N3). 4.Viper Racing (hmmm... Viper-GTS) 5.Rally Championship 2000 (with the brake balance all the way to the front, it feels like a Rally car) So I say the 1999 Year was GOOD. I have in this list 4software on 8 that were done this year. -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Fun/Pleasure: 1. ICR2 2. GPL 3. N3 4. GP2 5. SCGT Sim: 1. GPL 2. GP2 3. Viper Racing 4. SODA Off-Road 5. ICR2 Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited http://simcrash.00game.com

DOH! I forgot Powerslide -- slot that in in place of GPL on the "Good time" list! -- JB

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>For a good time, call: >1. Dirt Track Racing >2. Viper Racing >3. ABC Indy Racing (underrated, especially if you're an IRL fan) >4. ICR2 >5. GPL >When you care enough to send the very best: >1. Dirt Track Racing >2. Viper Racing >3. GPL >4. ICR2 >5. ABC Indy Racing (setups count -- almost as good as ICR2 in many ways) >-- JB >> Ok so what is everybody's top five games: >> 1. for pure pleasure/fun factor >> 2. for ultimate sim - physics & setup >> your list may go something like this: >> fun/pleasure: >> 1. Grand Prix 2 >> 2. RC2000 >> 3. GPL >> 4. SCGT >> 5. CMRally >> sim >> 1. GPL >> 2. SCGT >> 3 GP2 >> 4. viper racing >> 5 RC2000 >> -- >> Rich "The Jackal" >> Senior digital animator, the Moving Picture Company >> Lotus cars site: http://www.jackalsforge.freeserve.co.uk/lotus.html >> Elise pages: http://www.jackalsforge.freeserve.co.uk/lotus.html >> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >> Before you buy. >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy.

Fun factor: 1 - GPL 2 - Viper 3 - GP2 4 - Motorhead 5 - Slicks'n'Slide (yeah!) JaviF Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

A sim based on the Sweedish Touring Car Championship. Possibly similar to Toca2. But at least if you get STCC, you have the chance to simdrive one of the last few racing Dodge Stratus Super Tourers. dave henrie > What the heck is STCC?? > And.. Is there a demo out there?

Yeah, it has been released, at least in Scandinavia. I just got my copy yesterday (Monday) from a friend working at a reseller, so I probably shouldn't have included it in my list as my judgement may very well be clouded by early overenthusiasm. The first thing I noticed was that I could get respectably high framerates in high resolutions. After RC2000 this was a treat. The graphics aren't quite the state of the art but they seem pretty realistic, not oversaturated candy graphics like for example in Ubi's games. From the six tracks included (yes, only six, though there are short & long versions of Mantorp and you can choose the direction on each track) I've only seen Anderstorp in real life and to me STCC's version looked like a rather faithful copy. Two of the tracks (Knutstorp and Mo I Rana) include significant elevation changes. Needless to say, these are also my favorites in STCC. For those interested, I took 10 screenshots from a couple of my races and put them on a web page (beware, they're still 800 pix wide jpegs, 678 Kb in total): http://www.tol.oulu.fi/~midpro/stcc/ The same level of realism applies to sounds too. Quite convincing audio environment, far from lame but not overdone either. EAX supported. Force Feedback was a slight disappointment; you can feel when you hit something, cut the kerbs along with some odd surface bumps but it's definitely far from GPL's level, still better than SCGT's. Not that I'd expect a modern touring car to provide as rich feedback through the wheel as a '67 F1. Setting separate axis for pedals was not a problem but there doesn't appear to be any sliders for adjusting steering sensitivity/deadzone in the game. STCC lacks in car setup department. The available options are comparable to the likes of RC2000. Unfortunately, the AI is nothing to write home about. Except perhaps in a negative sense. IMO this is the worst letdown of the game. At 100% the AI still isn't competitive enough (hopefully we'll get a patch that would resolve this). Depending on your setups you may not be able to get ahead of them on a straight but you can practically ALWAYS outbrake them. Currently I'm waiting for some of my friends to take on the STCC so that we could try this in multiplayer. There's a dedicated server included with the game and I think that this could really be great fun if the multiplayer code is done right. Since all the cars are quite closely matched, we might be in for some hair-raising situations - the action is fast & furious but it also takes some precision racing to come up with a good lap time. And the most crucial part, how does it feel to drive... When I first got my hands on the game, I wasn't impressed. Initially I chose to drive Alfa Romeo 156 because of the slight advantage in horsepower. Early on the driving model seemed to have that "canned" feeling. If I crossed the limit the car just snapped out of my control, giving me the helpless feeling that there was absolutely nothing to be done after certain point had been exceeded. Started to experiment with different cars (there are ten to choose from: Ford Mondeo, Peugeot 406, Audi A4, BMW 320i, Volvo S40, Alfa Romeo 156, Opel Vectra, Chrysler Stratos, Nissan Primera, and Honda Accord - 8 FWD, 1 RWD, and 1 4WD). After an evening of intensive driving sessions I began to discover the secrets of Knutstorp and at the same time, the driving model began to open up and sneak its way into the subconscious. I could "feel" it in my bones when I was about to cross the limit and consequently, when I actually did, most of the time I could recover, even if losing some time. Of course these cars don't and shouldn't slide like the ones in GPL, but there is actually a sweeping bend at Mo I Rana where I could maintain a small slide through the apex by carefully adjusting the gas and do it competitively during a race over and over again. All in all, it's definitely no GPL but I still found it to be ever so delightful. The cars have their differences but mostly the disparities seem to be very subtle and the vehicles demonstrate little character of their own. Most striking exceptions would naturally be the 4WD Audi A4 and the RWD BMW 320i. I found the Opel, Ford and Peugeot to be the most easily controllable cars of the lot. To summarize: + relatively efficient 3D engine + realistic looking graphics + sound fx - just 6 tracks - lame AI (doesn't make errors but is still far from competitive) - limited car setup Once again we have a game which is far from perfect, with less depth than most of us would like to have but despite all this, IMO this still one of the best racing games of 1999. --- Antti Markus Peteri 15 miles. your dim light shines from so far away - Soul Asylum, Promises Broken

fun/pleasure 1. DTR 2. N3/NL 3. SCGT 4. SBK WC 5. GPL sim 1. GPL 2. SCGT 3. N3/NL 4. DTR 5. SBK WC Now I could include GP2 on both lists but since i dont play it much lately I didn't. DTR has quickly captured my attention and i spend alot of time playing it now. Chris

My fun/pleasure list would be about the same. I would however like to add A2 racer II to the list :-) // Johan

fun/pleasure 1. SCREAMER 2 2. 4D SPORTS DRIVING 3. TEST DRIVE 1/2 4. NFS 1 5. RC2000 well, lots of old games here.I think screamer is much fun than RC2000, more arcade, opponents, techno music. 4D sports driving has the second place, and could have the first if it have better graphics. TestDrive 1 & 2, i've never played better open road game, avoid trafic, lose cops. NFS 1 is closed, to test drive games, but circuit races are boring!!! if i remember correctly, the guy who does NFS 1 are the same who does 4D sports driving and NFS 1 ? right ? if yes ,GOOD JOB guys !!!! sim 1. GPL 2. GP2 2. GP500 4. N3 5. ICR2 GPL can't has another place than 1st. GP2 and GP500 are equal for me, because i think they have a similar degre of realism , but one you drive a car, and the other you ride a bike. -- ==================================== Sebastien Tixier - Game Developer http://www.eden-studios.fr http://www.multimania.com/hclyon

>>What the heck is STCC?? >Around here it stands for Springfield Technical Community College: Springfield? Say "hi" to Homer for me. Hena

Fun: 1. Nascar Legends 2. Nascar 3 3. SCGT 4. GP2 5. Driver Sim: 1. GPL 2. Nascar Legends 3. Nascar 3 4. GP2 5. SCGT

On my list would have to be; 1. Rally Championship 2000 2. Viper Racing 3. TOCA 2 * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

fun/pleasure: 1. Viper Racing 2. GPL 3. SCGT 4. Nascar 3 5. CART Precision Racing sim: 1. GPL 2. Viper Racing 3. Nascar 3 4. SCGT 5. CART Precision Racing If not for the horrific AI, I would have rated CPR higher in both categories. In real life, it's my favorite form of racing, and I do think Terminal Reality did a good job with a lot of it. GPL gets low marks in the fun category because it's so darn challenging! ;-) Even though it's a good sim and a lot of fun, I had to penalize SCGT for forcing the users to use cheat codes to access all the cars and tracks. SCGT also gets penalty points because the "aftermarket" patches and add-ons are essential, and there's no support for them at the official site. Midtown Madness misses out on both lists because it's much more arcade than sim. The DTR demo is a lot of fun, and when I get the full version it might displace something above. <remove 7of9 for e-mail replies> -- Bill Jones e-mail addresses: (860) 701-1201 WWW: http://pages.cthome.net/billj

Yee-Haw! 1) Pod Racer 2) SCGT 3) Re-Volt 4) Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2 (with driving aids on) 5) GPL Holy Crap! 1) GPL 2) F1 Racing Simulation 3) MGPRS2 4) SCGT 5) (The game formerly known as) Indy Car Racing 2

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> Ok so what is everybody's top five games: > 1. for pure pleasure/fun factor > 2. for ultimate sim - physics & setup > your list may go something like this: > fun/pleasure: > 1. Grand Prix 2 > 2. RC2000 > 3. GPL > 4. SCGT > 5. CMRally > sim > 1. GPL > 2. SCGT > 3 GP2 > 4. viper racing > 5 RC2000 > -- > Rich "The Jackal" > Senior digital animator, the Moving Picture Company > Lotus cars site: http://www.jackalsforge.freeserve.co.uk/lotus.html > Elise pages: http://www.jackalsforge.freeserve.co.uk/lotus.html > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

fun/pleasure: 1. GPL 2. GP2 3. Viper Racing 4 SCGT 5 MGPRS 2 sim: 1. GPL 2. GP2 3. Viper Racing 4. GP500 5. N3 Darko

SIM: gpl F2 gpl F2 SCGT Trans-Am nascar 3 Fun: gpl F2 SCGT Trans-Am gpl F1 Nascar 3 Joel Willstein

: Ok so what is everybody's top five games: : 1. for pure pleasure/fun factor : 2. for ultimate sim - physics & setup Fun....hmmmm.....currently 1. TOCA 2 2. Re-Volt 3. GPL 4. GP2 5. Motohead Ultimate sims...... 1. GPL 2. GP2 3. F1RS 4. NASCAR 2 5. ICR2 Conclusion......GPL & GP2 are excellent sims, *AND* big fun!!!! 8-) How about worst 5 games; 1. Formula One 97 2. Sega Rally 3. Manic Karts 4. Monster Truck Madness 5. Lotus - The ultimate Challenge 8-) *Peter* - http://www.cix.co.uk/~peterpc/home.html [address restored]

Can...... You are mixing with the wrong people? 8-) *Peter* - http://www.cix.co.uk/~peterpc/home.html

Fun: 1. Viper Racing 2. Re-Volt 3. Nascar 3 4. Speed Busters 5. Driver Sim: 1. GPL 2. Viper Racing 3. Nascar 3 4. SCGT 5. Re-Volt I'm waiting for Dirt Track Racing, guess it would be on both lists.