Logitech releases G25 Vista software; shifter debated
Larry posted that Logitech had released Vista software for the G25. Discussion turned to the G25's gated shifter, which several found vague and plasticky compared with the paddles, and to whether it used switches or potentiometers. Larry reported the Vista drivers and profiler had never worked properly for him, and sniping with Quentin Queerbottom followed.
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On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:45:50 -0400, Larry wrote:
> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/441/131&cl=us,en?osid=13&file=
too little too late ;-)
I'm considering buying a g25, but still am rather happy with my dfp
wheel and the usb-converted TSW2 pedals. I find the g25 shifter a little
too plasticky in its feel. I'll probably get one when the dfp finally
breaks (it self-repaired like the famed McLaren car about half a year
ago ;-).
Cheers, uwe
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Yeah, the shifter is definitelly the weak spot. I haven't used mine in 6
months and just use the paddle shifters, which are excellent.
-larry
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> On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:45:50 -0400, Larry wrote: >> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/441/131&cl=us,en?osid=13&file= > > too little too late ;-) > > I'm considering buying a g25, but still am rather happy with my dfp > wheel and the usb-converted TSW2 pedals. I find the g25 shifter a little > too plasticky in its feel. I'll probably get one when the dfp finally > breaks (it self-repaired like the famed McLaren car about half a year > ago ;-). > > Cheers, uwe > > > -- > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61Me too. It's a shame but it's just too "vague" a shifter for me to use
with the pattern and not worth the effort as a sequential compared to
using the paddles. Maybe if I built a rig to position it closer to a
real shifter, but for now i'll just use the paddles...
GP
>On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:30:10 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Yeah, the shifter is definitelly the weak spot. I haven't used mine in 6
>months and just use the paddle shifters, which are excellent.
>
>-larry
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:45:50 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/441/131&cl=us,en?osid=13&file=
How do they differ from lgs500?
Mine already works in Vista and was labelled as a Vista driver
when I downloaded...?
Cheers,
Rod.
In article <CoHWi.353$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...
And the two motor force feedback is so incredibly good, it makes the
quality of the shifter irrelevant, in my opinion.
I would kick myself if I waited too long and they were not available
anymore.
:)
(I still don't ever see your posts on the Giganews newfeed Uwe; only
when someone quotes you.)
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> Yeah, the shifter is definitelly the weak spot. I haven't used mine in 6 > months and just use the paddle shifters, which are excellent. > > -larry > > "Uwe Schürkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:45:50 -0400, Larry wrote: > >> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/441/131&cl=us,en?osid=13&file= > > > > too little too late ;-) > > > > I'm considering buying a g25, but still am rather happy with my dfp > > wheel and the usb-converted TSW2 pedals. I find the g25 shifter a little > > too plasticky in its feel. I'll probably get one when the dfp finally > > breaks (it self-repaired like the famed McLaren car about half a year > > ago ;-). > > > > Cheers, uwe > > > > > > -- > > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61 > >On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:52:38 -0400, Michael Sisson wrote:
>
> I would kick myself if I waited too long and they were not available
> anymore.
>
>:)
Something else is bound to follow suit ;-) I'm still waiting for prices
to drop a little, and with the upcoming pci-e upgrade (from AGP) I think
I have other places to throw my money as long as the DFP / TSW pedal set
holds up.
>
> (I still don't ever see your posts on the Giganews newfeed Uwe; only
> when someone quotes you.)
That's weird indeed. My posts arrive at google news just fine, so maybe
you'd want to contact your newsmaster at giganews, forward them the
article id and headers and ask them why the post never made it into
their servers. You never know what other good stuff you might be
missing! ;-D
All the best, uwe
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If they would ever give us a centering utility for the POTS in the shifter,
it could be made useful.
Frankly, gated shifting doesn't make a lot of sense these days unless you
are running Nascar racing games. No one else uses them in real life for the
most part.
The Sequential mode of the shifter is hosed because they used analog pots
instead of buttons for engagement, and they are not alignable. I've gone
through two shifters for the same reason. Pushing forward to go up a gear
takes 3 times the travel as pulling back to downshift a gear, and in a lot
of cases the pull back doesn't 'satisfy' the pot reading algorythm, I miss
the downshift, and off into the tire wall I go. It's especially bad for
corners that require several fast downshifts at once, like a hairpin at the
end of a long straight.
We need a utility to calibrate the shifter. It only needs one button that
says:
"THE DAMNED SHIFTER IS IN THE CENTER POSITION. CENTER THE DAMNED POTS NOW!"
Really, is that too much to ask for :)
-Larry
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> Me too. It's a shame but it's just too "vague" a shifter for me to use > with the pattern and not worth the effort as a sequential compared to > using the paddles. Maybe if I built a rig to position it closer to a > real shifter, but for now i'll just use the paddles... > > GP > >>On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:30:10 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >>Yeah, the shifter is definitelly the weak spot. I haven't used mine in 6 >>months and just use the paddle shifters, which are excellent. >> >>-larryThe labeling of 5.0 as Vista compatible was totally bogus. If you got them
to work (including the profiling software), it was a genuine miricle.
-Larry
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> On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:45:50 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/441/131&cl=us,en?osid=13&file= > > How do they differ from lgs500? > > Mine already works in Vista and was labelled as a Vista driver > when I downloaded...? > > Cheers, > Rod."Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> We need a utility to calibrate the shifter. It only needs one button that
> says:
>
> "THE DAMNED SHIFTER IS IN THE CENTER POSITION. CENTER THE DAMNED POTS
> NOW!"
It feels like buttons. No ambiguity on mine.
> Really, is that too much to ask for :)
Maybe open up the unit and see what's interfering. Do you have the mode
switch turned the full half turn ccw?
"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> The labeling of 5.0 as Vista compatible was totally bogus. If you got
> them to work (including the profiling software), it was a genuine miricle.
I'm starting to see the picture. Does *anything* work?
On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 18:11:20 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>The labeling of 5.0 as Vista compatible was totally bogus. If you got them
>to work (including the profiling software), it was a genuine miricle.
I don't use the profile software, but the wheel has been working
flawlessly since I installed the driver.
Cheers,
Rod.
"Rod" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Same here.
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> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 18:11:20 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>The labeling of 5.0 as Vista compatible was totally bogus. If you got >>them >>to work (including the profiling software), it was a genuine miricle. > > I don't use the profile software, but the wheel has been working > flawlessly since I installed the driver. > > Cheers, > Rod.
"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> If they would ever give us a centering utility for the POTS in the
> shifter, it could be made useful.
>
> Frankly, gated shifting doesn't make a lot of sense these days unless you
> are running Nascar racing games. No one else uses them in real life for
> the most part.
Apart from hundreds of racing series, from Caterhams to historics.
Never had a problem with mine, dear boy.
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> > The Sequential mode of the shifter is hosed because they used analog pots > instead of buttons for engagement, and they are not alignable. I've gone > through two shifters for the same reason. Pushing forward to go up a gear > takes 3 times the travel as pulling back to downshift a gear, and in a lot > of cases the pull back doesn't 'satisfy' the pot reading algorythm, I miss > the downshift, and off into the tire wall I go. It's especially bad for > corners that require several fast downshifts at once, like a hairpin at > the end of a long straight. > > We need a utility to calibrate the shifter. It only needs one button that > says: > > "THE DAMNED SHIFTER IS IN THE CENTER POSITION. CENTER THE DAMNED POTS > NOW!" > > Really, is that too much to ask for :)Larry wrote:
Holy crap, stop shouting. Maybe then you could hear the CLICK that's
coming from the shifter while shifting. It's buttons, nothing but buttons.
And they are working great here. How did you setup the G25 in rF without
noticing the actions named "Joy1 B9" etc.??
l8er
ronny
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> If they would ever give us a centering utility for the POTS in the > shifter, it could be made useful. > > Frankly, gated shifting doesn't make a lot of sense these days unless > you are running Nascar racing games. No one else uses them in real life > for the most part. > > The Sequential mode of the shifter is hosed because they used analog > pots instead of buttons for engagement, and they are not alignable. > I've gone through two shifters for the same reason. Pushing forward to > go up a gear takes 3 times the travel as pulling back to downshift a > gear, and in a lot of cases the pull back doesn't 'satisfy' the pot > reading algorythm, I miss the downshift, and off into the tire wall I > go. It's especially bad for corners that require several fast > downshifts at once, like a hairpin at the end of a long straight. > > We need a utility to calibrate the shifter. It only needs one button > that says: > > "THE DAMNED SHIFTER IS IN THE CENTER POSITION. CENTER THE DAMNED POTS > NOW!"
"Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Larry has a track record for buying Logitech wheels and then doing nothing
but moan about them.
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> Larry wrote: >> If they would ever give us a centering utility for the POTS in the >> shifter, it could be made useful. >> >> Frankly, gated shifting doesn't make a lot of sense these days unless you >> are running Nascar racing games. No one else uses them in real life for >> the most part. >> >> The Sequential mode of the shifter is hosed because they used analog pots >> instead of buttons for engagement, and they are not alignable. I've gone >> through two shifters for the same reason. Pushing forward to go up a >> gear takes 3 times the travel as pulling back to downshift a gear, and in >> a lot of cases the pull back doesn't 'satisfy' the pot reading algorythm, >> I miss the downshift, and off into the tire wall I go. It's especially >> bad for corners that require several fast downshifts at once, like a >> hairpin at the end of a long straight. >> >> We need a utility to calibrate the shifter. It only needs one button >> that says: >> >> "THE DAMNED SHIFTER IS IN THE CENTER POSITION. CENTER THE DAMNED POTS >> NOW!" > > Holy crap, stop shouting. Maybe then you could hear the CLICK that's > coming from the shifter while shifting. It's buttons, nothing but buttons. > And they are working great here. How did you setup the G25 in rF without > noticing the actions named "Joy1 B9" etc.?? > > l8er > ronnyyep. And it's pots. Trust me :)
-Larry
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> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Ql6Xi.3024$[email hidden]... >> We need a utility to calibrate the shifter. It only needs one button >> that says: >> >> "THE DAMNED SHIFTER IS IN THE CENTER POSITION. CENTER THE DAMNED POTS >> NOW!" > > It feels like buttons. No ambiguity on mine. > >> Really, is that too much to ask for :) > > Maybe open up the unit and see what's interfering. Do you have the mode > switch turned the full half turn ccw? >It varies from person to person, computer to computer. In my case it was a
flat-out bust.
-Larry
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> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Om6Xi.3025$[email hidden]... >> The labeling of 5.0 as Vista compatible was totally bogus. If you got >> them to work (including the profiling software), it was a genuine >> miricle. > > I'm starting to see the picture. Does *anything* work? > >The profiler is a pretty large, and important, part of the device for many
of us :)
The drivers didn't even work for me. Kept being recognized as a DFP, and
was unuseable.
-Larry
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> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 18:11:20 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>The labeling of 5.0 as Vista compatible was totally bogus. If you got >>them >>to work (including the profiling software), it was a genuine miricle. > > I don't use the profile software, but the wheel has been working > flawlessly since I installed the driver. > > Cheers, > Rod.It is not buttons. The shifter uses pots.
-Larry
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> Larry wrote: >> If they would ever give us a centering utility for the POTS in the >> shifter, it could be made useful. >> >> Frankly, gated shifting doesn't make a lot of sense these days unless you >> are running Nascar racing games. No one else uses them in real life for >> the most part. >> >> The Sequential mode of the shifter is hosed because they used analog pots >> instead of buttons for engagement, and they are not alignable. I've gone >> through two shifters for the same reason. Pushing forward to go up a >> gear takes 3 times the travel as pulling back to downshift a gear, and in >> a lot of cases the pull back doesn't 'satisfy' the pot reading algorythm, >> I miss the downshift, and off into the tire wall I go. It's especially >> bad for corners that require several fast downshifts at once, like a >> hairpin at the end of a long straight. >> >> We need a utility to calibrate the shifter. It only needs one button >> that says: >> >> "THE DAMNED SHIFTER IS IN THE CENTER POSITION. CENTER THE DAMNED POTS >> NOW!" > > Holy crap, stop shouting. Maybe then you could hear the CLICK that's > coming from the shifter while shifting. It's buttons, nothing but buttons. > And they are working great here. How did you setup the G25 in rF without > noticing the actions named "Joy1 B9" etc.?? > > l8er > ronnyIf it ain't right, it ain't right oh masked man hiding behind funky handle
:)
And I have done a lot about it. Parts have been replaced. Software has
been reinstalled and reinstalled. Several computers have been used.
Logitech called many times.
In other words, you don't have a clue what you are talking about bud.
-Larry
"Quentin Queerbottom" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> > "Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:fgl8gi$8fi$[email hidden]... >> Larry wrote: >>> If they would ever give us a centering utility for the POTS in the >>> shifter, it could be made useful. >>> >>> Frankly, gated shifting doesn't make a lot of sense these days unless >>> you are running Nascar racing games. No one else uses them in real life >>> for the most part. >>> >>> The Sequential mode of the shifter is hosed because they used analog >>> pots instead of buttons for engagement, and they are not alignable. >>> I've gone through two shifters for the same reason. Pushing forward to >>> go up a gear takes 3 times the travel as pulling back to downshift a >>> gear, and in a lot of cases the pull back doesn't 'satisfy' the pot >>> reading algorythm, I miss the downshift, and off into the tire wall I >>> go. It's especially bad for corners that require several fast >>> downshifts at once, like a hairpin at the end of a long straight. >>> >>> We need a utility to calibrate the shifter. It only needs one button >>> that says: >>> >>> "THE DAMNED SHIFTER IS IN THE CENTER POSITION. CENTER THE DAMNED POTS >>> NOW!" >> >> Holy crap, stop shouting. Maybe then you could hear the CLICK that's >> coming from the shifter while shifting. It's buttons, nothing but >> buttons. >> And they are working great here. How did you setup the G25 in rF without >> noticing the actions named "Joy1 B9" etc.?? >> >> l8er >> ronny > > Larry has a track record for buying Logitech wheels and then doing nothing > but moan about them.
"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> The profiler is a pretty large, and important, part of the device for many
> of us :)
Why is the profiler only important for 'some' user. I've never used it, so
what am I missing?
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> > The drivers didn't even work for me. Kept being recognized as a DFP, and > was unuseable. > > -Larry > > "Rod" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 18:11:20 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >>>The labeling of 5.0 as Vista compatible was totally bogus. If you got >>>them >>>to work (including the profiling software), it was a genuine miricle. >> >> I don't use the profile software, but the wheel has been working >> flawlessly since I installed the driver. >> >> Cheers, >> Rod. >If you use several games that require different controller conigurations, or
if you want to program the buttons in some cases, you need to create a
profile for that game and set it up.
-Larry
"Quentin Queerbottom" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> Why is the profiler only important for 'some' user. I've never used it, so
> what am I missing?
Sorry, still don't see a need for it. All my sims need slightly different
setting which I set in game, thus negating the need for the profiler.
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