N3 - Multiplayer Questions

I tried last night for the first time to hook up with a friend for an online race in NASCAR3. We didn't manage it, mainly becasue the UK manual is totally inadequate in respect of describing the multiplayer options. There is no explanation about IP addresses, the various setup screens, etc. In particular there is no cluse about what the column headings are in the 'races' screen, eg. D,Y, etc. Can anyone help here? Is the US manual better? could anyone OCR the relevant pages? Thanks, Iain

On Sat, 27 Nov 1999 07:28:41 -0000, "Iain Mackenzie"

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>I tried last night for the first time to hook up with a friend for an online >race in NASCAR3. >We didn't manage it, mainly becasue the UK manual is totally inadequate in >respect of describing the multiplayer options. >There is no explanation about IP addresses, the various setup screens, etc. >In particular there is no cluse about what the column headings are in the >'races' screen, eg. D,Y, etc. >Can anyone help here? Is the US manual better? could anyone OCR the relevant >pages? >Thanks, >Iain

The US manual is not any better in its explanation of the multiplayer feature. This URL may help you: http://www.paddedwall.org/nasroc1/n3_online.html Skotty Flynn http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com (webmaster) "skotty" on WON

Thanks that was quite useful, but do you know what the column headings mean in the 'available races' screen? also, I was racing last night, and although I was ahead for all the race, the positions when using F2 were pretty much rubbish! They started off OK then kept jumping me from any position from 1st to last being 2-3 laps behind! It did acknowledge the fact that I won, but it was a waste of time trying to keep tabs on what was behind. Is this normal? Iain > On Sat, 27 Nov 1999 07:28:41 -0000, "Iain Mackenzie" > >I tried last night for the first time to hook up with a friend for an online > >race in NASCAR3. > >We didn't manage it, mainly becasue the UK manual is totally inadequate in > >respect of describing the multiplayer options. > >There is no explanation about IP addresses, the various setup screens, etc. > >In particular there is no cluse about what the column headings are in the > >'races' screen, eg. D,Y, etc. > >Can anyone help here? Is the US manual better? could anyone OCR the relevant

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> >pages? > >Thanks, > >Iain > The US manual is not any better in its explanation of the multiplayer > feature. > This URL may help you: > http://www.paddedwall.org/nasroc1/n3_online.html > Skotty Flynn > http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com (webmaster) > "skotty" on WON

It can be normal. Especially if you have alot of warping/clockzapping. I was doing one race last night at Dega where I was .09 behind the 1st and 2nd place cars. Next thing I know, they teleport ahead to 2.5 secs. Then the 2nd place cars screws up and hits the pits at 200+. Then the leader pitted and claimed he didn't want to win by warping. I told him he could race with me any time :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > Iain > > On Sat, 27 Nov 1999 07:28:41 -0000, "Iain Mackenzie" > > >I tried last night for the first time to hook up with a friend for an > online > > >race in NASCAR3. > > >We didn't manage it, mainly becasue the UK manual is totally inadequate > in > > >respect of describing the multiplayer options. > > >There is no explanation about IP addresses, the various setup screens, > etc. > > >In particular there is no cluse about what the column headings are in the > > >'races' screen, eg. D,Y, etc. > > >Can anyone help here? Is the US manual better? could anyone OCR the > relevant > > >pages? > > >Thanks, > > >Iain > > The US manual is not any better in its explanation of the multiplayer > > feature. > > This URL may help you: > > http://www.paddedwall.org/nasroc1/n3_online.html > > Skotty Flynn > > http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com (webmaster) > > "skotty" on WON

Greg, What is warping/clock zapping? Doesn't this make racing online a bit of a joke? Especially when you can't tell what the relative positions are of the other cars. Although I've been into racing simulators for years, this is the first time I've raced online in this way. I used to connect one modem to another. also, do you know what the headings mean in the races available screen in N3? Iain > > Thanks that was quite useful, but do you know what the column headings > mean > > in the 'available races' screen? > > also, I was racing last night, and although I was ahead for all the race, > > the positions when using F2 were pretty much rubbish! They started off OK > > then kept jumping me from any position from 1st to last being 2-3 laps > > behind! > > It did acknowledge the fact that I won, but it was a waste of time trying

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> to > > keep tabs on what was behind. > > Is this normal? > It can be normal. Especially if you have alot of warping/clockzapping. > I was doing one race last night at Dega where I was .09 behind the > 1st and 2nd place cars. Next thing I know, they teleport ahead to 2.5 > secs. Then the 2nd place cars screws up and hits the pits at 200+. > Then the leader pitted and claimed he didn't want to win by warping. > I told him he could race with me any time :-) > -- > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > Iain > > > On Sat, 27 Nov 1999 07:28:41 -0000, "Iain Mackenzie" > > > >I tried last night for the first time to hook up with a friend for an > > online > > > >race in NASCAR3. > > > >We didn't manage it, mainly becasue the UK manual is totally

inadequate > > in > > > >respect of describing the multiplayer options. > > > >There is no explanation about IP addresses, the various setup screens,

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> > etc. > > > >In particular there is no cluse about what the column headings are in > the > > > >'races' screen, eg. D,Y, etc. > > > >Can anyone help here? Is the US manual better? could anyone OCR the > > relevant > > > >pages? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Iain > > > The US manual is not any better in its explanation of the multiplayer > > > feature. > > > This URL may help you: > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/nasroc1/n3_online.html > > > Skotty Flynn > > > http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com (webmaster) > > > "skotty" on WON

On Sat, 27 Nov 1999 07:28:41 -0000, "Iain Mackenzie" >In particular there is no cluse about what the column headings are in the >'races' screen, eg. D,Y, etc. D=damage (D=realistic damage, A=arcade damage, blank=damage off) Y=yellows (Y=on, blank=off) P=pace lap (P=on, blank=off) F=fixed setups (F=on, blank=off or open setups) M=driving mode (A=arcade mode, blank=realistic mode) Skotty Flynn http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com (webmaster) "skotty" on WON

On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:14:16 -0000, "Iain Mackenzie" >What is warping/clock zapping? Warping is when cars disappear and/or jump around erratically, sometimes appearing in places you least expect. It can make driving very troublesome. Clock zapping is a timing thing, where internet lag can make you jump around in the standings ie: shows you in 7th when actually your in 3rd. If you get alot of clock zapping, then your connection to the race host/server is not very good. Living in the UK doesnt help you much, since most people that are hosting races are more than likely from North America. The quality of your internet connection as a whole and to the race host is imperative for good online racing on the internet. Although if you do have a good connection, it doesnt mean everyone else will. One way to tell if it is your connection that is suffering is to watch the other cars. If ALL of them disappear then it most likely your connection but if only one car disappears/re-appears etc, then it is his connection, so be careful. :) The price to pay when playing for free through the internet. :) Find a good host and it can be enjoyable. .....BTW, what kind of pings are you getting to the race host(s)? Modem racing is much better connection wise, but they didnt incorporate it into the game. see my other post Good luck! Skotty Flynn http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com "skotty" on WON

It is when the network connection loses sync and can't really keep up with everything. Whenever I have seen clock zappping the other cars dissapear. Then magically reapear as the connection syncs up. Then sometimes the other cars just plain teleport to their position. Sometimes changing by several seconds. Yes it is somewhat of a joke. The worst part is the constant crashing of the computer during multiplay. This is by far the worse game I have ever played with regards to computer program crashing. And you have to power cycle to get it going again. If it worked flawlessly it would be awesome though. Me too. So far my friend and I have given N3 fairly poor multiplay scores. Yes. It was also posted here some time ago. They are for the game options which the host has selected. D = Damage R is realistic damage, A is arcade and no letter is none. P = Pace laps Y = Yellow flags And so on. You can pretty much look at the letters and consider the options within the game to figire it out. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

In my experience this did not matter at all. I was hosting a race with 125 ms ping times and the game *STILL* crashed when the 7th or 8th player joined. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:28:31 -0600, "Greg Cisko" >Yes it is somewhat of a joke. The worst part is the constant crashing >of the computer during multiplay. This is by far the worse game I have >ever played with regards to computer program crashing. And you have >to power cycle to get it going again. If it worked flawlessly it would be >awesome though. Ive never had a computer crash in N3 multi, or the "kicked back to desktop" bug. Guess Im lucky :) Skotty Flynn http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com "skotty" on WON

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> > The price to pay when playing for free through the internet. :) > > Find a good host and it can be enjoyable. > > .....BTW, what kind of pings are you getting to the race host(s)? > In my experience this did not matter at all. I was hosting a race with > 125 ms ping times and the game *STILL* crashed when the 7th or > 8th player joined.

I may be wrong, but it seems to me I read about this same problem some time back here on RAS. Wasn't it cured by entering a couple AI cars in too? Maybe a Deja search can turn something up for you. Hope this helps ya! -- Chuck Kandler #70 ChuckK or KS70 on Won.net K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX!

Try making the field size a few cars more than the allowed players. -- Kenny L. #14 Generic Chevy PRC Member Wall Scrapers Racing Team > > > The price to pay when playing for free through the internet. :) > > > Find a good host and it can be enjoyable. > > > .....BTW, what kind of pings are you getting to the race host(s)? > > In my experience this did not matter at all. I was hosting a race with > > 125 ms ping times and the game *STILL* crashed when the 7th or > > 8th player joined. > I may be wrong, but it seems to me I read about this same problem some time > back here on RAS. Wasn't it cured by entering a couple AI cars in too? > Maybe a Deja search can turn something up for you. > Hope this helps ya! > -- > Chuck Kandler #70 > ChuckK or KS70 on Won.net > K&S Racing > http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 > The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX!

>Try making the field size a few cars more than the allowed players. That reminds me to ask: why have I NEVER seen an online race with AI drivers? Doesn't N3 allow you to have a 43-car field with only 10 humans? Why don't people do that? Personally I prefer to see SOME driver throughout the race, and since I'm a "rear 2/3rds of the pack" driver I only see others when they're lapping me (hey, I'm slow, but I AM clean - I stay out of the way when they're coming). Gunner

> >Try making the field size a few cars more than the allowed players. > That reminds me to ask: why have I NEVER seen an online race with AI > drivers? Doesn't N3 allow you to have a 43-car field with only 10 humans? > Why don't people do that? Personally I prefer to see SOME driver throughout > the race, and since I'm a "rear 2/3rds of the pack" driver I only see others > when they're lapping me (hey, I'm slow, but I AM clean - I stay out of the > way when they're coming). Well check out some of the races I (hammer-time) host. I will start using 8 humans and a 20 car starting field... -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

>Well check out some of the races I (hammer-time) host. I will start using 8 >humans and a 20 car starting field... THAT sounds pretty cool! Gunner (hopelessly ***ed to online play, but no time to DO it!)