Do I understand this right? GPL with tailbraking

As a newby in this group, my interest in GPL is back. I own a Thrustmaster GP1 wheel, without pedals. I use button 3 for the clutch, I connected this button to a floor-button. Nothing more than a doorbel-button on a stroke of wood, works perfecty. I made this because I needed a handbrake in CMR. Now I read something about tailbraking. Does this mean that accelerate and braking are on an separate *-axe? Is it possible to accelarate and brake at the same time, so pulling the cars through the corners? With my current wheel, braking and accelerating is nothing more than actually do nothing with the engine. The cross in the control-panel is obviously in the middle by using both flippers at the same time. I'm getting interested in a FF-wheel, but I see nothing about the Thrustmaster FF in this group. Is this one not the best, should I go for the LWFF? In some reviews a read that the Thrustmaster FF was most powerfull in the FF. What about the CH-pedals. Can you buy these separate from the wheel? Also in the Netherlands? A lot of questions, but after reading this NG I downloaded a lot of setups and replays of GPL and want to learn GPL at last. The best driving-sim so far. At last. Most of the GPL-drivers go for the best time. But do they actually ever won a race in the game? Thanx In Advance for the answers. Greets Ben

Hey Ben! You can buy the CH pedals at Computer Collectief in Amsterdam. I ordered them online (http://www.comcol.nl/index.html) on a Saturday, and I got them the next Monday allready. Together with the LWFF it really is a perfect combination for GPL. And yes, fast drivers do win races :) Andre

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> As a newby in this group, my interest in GPL is back. > I own a Thrustmaster GP1 wheel, without pedals. > I use button 3 for the clutch, I connected this button to a > floor-button. > Nothing more than a doorbel-button on a stroke of wood, works > perfecty. > I made this because I needed a handbrake in CMR.

Cool :-) To use gas and brake at the same time as GPL supports, you need split axis pedals (or as in your case, paddles :-), and your GP1 wheel supports this, not totally sure though, but I think you need to connect WITHOUT the little adapter thingy that came with your wheel and then use the "GP1 without adapter" setting in Win9x control panel, you may have to dowload Thrustmaster's ProPanel from their site to get it working though (my memory is a bit vague here, been a while since I used a GP1 wheel) I think most people (at least the ones in here :-) would recommend the LWFF over the TM wheel, if not for the FF stuff, at least for the fact that is uses less CPU power to do it's "magic" CH Pedals and PRO Pedals are a seprate unit from CH, many people use them in the strangest combination with wheels, but they are really good, very precise in the movements, pedals are perfectly angled for sitting in an office chair (or similar), not like the TM pedals that are best suited if you're sitting in a racing chair very close to the floor :-), and they last "forever" it seems, mine are over 4 years old and has only broken down once, I used them a LOT No idea, ask Ian Lake, he's the best (all in good fun :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy

>Hey Ben! >You can buy the CH pedals at Computer Collectief in Amsterdam. I >ordered them online (http://www.comcol.nl/index.html) on a Saturday, >and I got them the next Monday allready. Together with the LWFF it >really is a perfect combination for GPL. But they costs like the steering wheel!!! 117 euro!!! Bye! Nonno Paolo

Do you mean trailbraking? That is braking into the corner, often up to the apex, and not simply braking in a straight line before the corner. Separate axis should make no difference, although it is useful for other techniques. Steve

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>Now I read something about tailbraking. >Does this mean that accelerate and braking are on an separate *-axe? >Is it possible to accelarate and brake at the same time, so pulling >the cars through the corners? >With my current wheel, braking and accelerating is nothing more than >actually do nothing with the engine. >The cross in the control-panel is obviously in the middle by using >both flippers at the same time.

Hmmm... interesting. No, like many people you're confusing trailbraking with left-foot braking. Trailbrkaing is simply trailing (i.e. steadily letting go of) the brakes as you complete your turn-in. You can do this with just your right foot (or left hand on the TM GP1). With seperate axis on your controller (dunno if that's possible on the GP1) you can start braking with your left foot (again left hand on the GP1), with the added bonus of being able to brake against partial engine power, which is generally referred to as left-foot braking and is said to stabilize the car. I've never got the hang of it tho'. Go for the LWFF, I've got one and I'm really chuffed with it. Make sure you read up on, and play around with, the FF settings, both in the control panel and core.ini. From what I've read this is turning out to be one of those personal things. Different strokes for different folks. Wrong, very wrong... GPL is the best sim so far, it's got the most comprehensive options to tailor the car to your particular style. It doesn't pay (well, maybe in time gained initially, but certainly not in enjoyment) to download setups. Read the different setup guides to get a feel for what does what and make your own. You won't be fast right off the bat, but it pays in the long run. Yes, the fastest guys do win races. A lot of them in fact. This has two reasons: 1) They're supremely talented. 2) They practised, practised, then practised some more. In GPL nothing comes easy and, on top of that, it's a very, very cruel game. So be warned, you're going to need your enthousiasm to keep going sometimes, but if once you start getting into it you won't be able to put it aside anymore, no matter how bad it chews you up. You're welcome Ben... and welcome to the ranks of the damned. ;-) Jan.

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> >Hey Ben! > >You can buy the CH pedals at Computer Collectief in Amsterdam. I > >ordered them online (http://www.comcol.nl/index.html) on a Saturday, > >and I got them the next Monday allready. Together with the LWFF it > >really is a perfect combination for GPL. > But they costs like the steering wheel!!! 117 euro!!!

The CH Pedals should only be about 1/3 the cost of a LWFF (about $35.00 US). You're probably looking at the CH Pro Pedals or the new USB Pedals. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing *****************************************************

But they're well worth the money! Andre

we are talking about the non-pro ones. if you want to wire them to your LWFF this is definately the best and cheapest choice! and its well worth it! http://www.comcol.nl/bestel/hicjop_a.hth#8824d Lio

I think the default setups (V1.2) are an excellent starting point for the "GPL newbie", very stable and forgiving IMO, It's been 6 months or so since I've tried a "Hotshoe" setup but I never really found any that were comfortable to me. I would suggest starting with defaults and with enough practice you'll know what needs tweaked to fit your individual driving style. The GPL strategy guide "4 wheel drift" is not Moby***, It's a quick read and has some very good information about the setup menu and explains each function and their results when modified. DN > On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:34:26 +0100, "Jan Verschueren" > >Wrong, very wrong... GPL is the best sim so far, it's got the most > >comprehensive options to tailor the car to your particular style. It doesn't > >pay (well, maybe in time gained initially, but certainly not in enjoyment) > >to download setups. Read the different setup guides to get a feel for what

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> >does what and make your own. You won't be fast right off the bat, but it > >pays in the long run. > This, IMHO, is the kind of attitude that doesn't do a GPL newbie any > favours. The need for a detailed understanding of setups is obvious for > the top guys but Joe Punter like me just wants to go out and race at a > reasonably competitive level. > The huge variety of setups available for download means that most people > can find or tweak a setup to suit their style. Hours of study, trial and > error are simply not an option for some people. > -- > Derek James