Rally2000 Is crap..

THANK YOU! I'm glad to know this. I hoped it would be better, but I didn't expect anything else, after the last two crappy incarnations of this Europress game... I still can get mad when I read the Europress rant about this game from a while back: "As rally enthusiasts eagerly await the launch, it has been revealed that Rally Championship will shock the market with a number of new features that have never been seen before: Include multiple driving positions, fully operational 3D dashboard instruments, a superb selection of top rally cars, new crash, collision and damage routines and comprehensive mulit-player options and it all adds up to the most exciting driving experience you can have without getting into a car and doing the real thing." Now can you tell me the NEW features??? WHAT new features?!? WELL??? Indeed, I'm shocked, but not the way the want me too... I still don't know how people can like this game. The physics and controls in the demo are so incredible awful! Sometimes it seems that people (and game magazines) only care about pretty pictures... Jeroen

Can anybody double-check this ? What about David ? Will this go down the hype list like C:PR and other Nascar:non-Revolutionesque softwares ? Tell us what you really feel David ! ;) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Maybe since he's in Australia he thought he needed to put in the CD upside down. :-) Every review I've read so far by people who picked up a copy in Australia is full of raves. Here's a couple quick quotes from another forum. They don't sound anything like Luke's. "WOW! Dynamics are so much better than the demo." "OK my initialy impressions are - AWESOME" David G Fisher

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> > Im taking it back to EB tomorrow. The physics are just as bad as on the > > demo, feels like driving that old lotus turbo game.... pitty, now all we > > haveto wait for is CMR2 > Can anybody double-check this ? What about David ? Will this go down the > hype list like C:PR and other Nascar:non-Revolutionesque softwares ? > Tell us what you really feel David ! ;) > -- > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Im taking it back to EB tomorrow. The physics are just as bad as on the demo, feels like driving that old lotus turbo game.... pitty, now all we haveto wait for is CMR2

I can only comment on the demo ... but as far as the demo goes, I found Rally2000 in every respect supersior to CMR. And I mean physics/dynamics too. Rally2000 is no GPL on dirt (nowhere close) but as far as rally games go this is by far the best. Name one thing that CMR does better. Don't say handling because it is worse than Rally2000 in some ways and just as good (or bad ... whatever you prefer) in other .. Personally I found CMR to hanle just like Sega rally (ie. adcade game ... a nice arcade game but still an arcade game). As far as rally games go, Rally2000 (even in demo more) was superior to anything else out there. That's at least what I think :-) Regards, David Mocnay

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>Maybe since he's in Australia he thought he needed to put in the CD upside >down. :-) >Every review I've read so far by people who picked up a copy in Australia is >full of raves. >Here's a couple quick quotes from another forum. They don't sound anything >like Luke's. >"WOW! Dynamics are so much better than the demo." >"OK my initialy impressions are - AWESOME" >David G Fisher >> > Im taking it back to EB tomorrow. The physics are just as bad as on the >> > demo, feels like driving that old lotus turbo game.... pitty, now all we >> > haveto wait for is CMR2 >> Can anybody double-check this ? What about David ? Will this go down the >> hype list like C:PR and other Nascar:non-Revolutionesque softwares ? >> Tell us what you really feel David ! ;) >> -- >> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> >> -- May the Downforce be with you... >> "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise >> how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

LOL !!!! I spitted coffee on my keyboard David ;-) From what I see at the HighGear forum, people are giving it a good positive mark. I've checked it so the hype seems accurate, but I'll wait a little and check out a full review here on r.a.s. or by somebody I can trust (Randy, or any r.a.s veteran). What about your review ? Im sure that like GPL it's not a perfect title no ? ;) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Hi, > Im taking it back to EB tomorrow. The physics are just as bad as on the > demo, feels like driving that old lotus turbo game.... pitty, now all we > haveto wait for is CMR2 Well, if you want SIM rally, you'll have to wait for "Rally Racing Simulation" from Ubisoft made by the F1RS team ( marh 2000 ). I can' think that you SIM people think that CMR is a simulation !!! No individual tires, no individual springs.One tire physics. The rotation axis is on center of the car instead of the center of the rear axle ! And vertical forces are so pity. The car fall with constant speed !! Okey, it's fun to play, and more realist than RC2000 but it's not a sim. IMHO, currently there's NO rally sim. And what i've seen of CMR2 at ECTS don't make me think that CMR2 will be a sim. Just a more realistic arcade game. And i don't works for UbiSoft, i'm working for there competitor. regards, -- ==================================== Sebastien Tixier - Game Developer http://www.eden-studios.fr http://www.multimania.com/hclyon

Don't be so ***y stupid. Our CD-Roms have the laser on the top, we put the CDs in the same way as yo guys.

Rally2000 is obviously NOT crap, and anybody who takes it back because it ain't a dirt-road GPL is going to miss some great fun. IMHO, all this discussion about simulation quality and shortcomings we can blame on David Kaemmer for coming up with GPL and setting a technological benchmark. Some "sims" are lots of fun, some are pretty good driving simulations, but not one has come close to GPL for physical realism. RC2K I will buy ASAP based on all heard to date - and we will all continue to wait impatiently for the ultimate armchair driving experience under $59.95....... > Hi, > > Im taking it back to EB tomorrow. The physics are just as bad as on the > > demo, feels like driving that old lotus turbo game.... pitty, now all we > > haveto wait for is CMR2 > Well, if you want SIM rally, you'll have to wait for "Rally Racing Simulation" > from Ubisoft made by the F1RS team ( marh 2000 ). I can' think that you > SIM people think that CMR is a simulation !!! No individual tires, no individual > springs.One tire physics. The rotation axis is on center of the car instead of > the center of the rear axle ! And vertical forces are so pity. The car fall > with constant speed !! Okey, it's fun to play, and more realist than RC2000 > but it's not a sim. > IMHO, currently there's NO rally sim. And what i've seen of CMR2 at ECTS don't > make me think that CMR2 will be a sim. Just a more realistic arcade game.

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> And i don't works for UbiSoft, i'm working for there competitor. > regards, > -- > ==================================== > Sebastien Tixier - Game Developer > http://www.eden-studios.fr > http://www.multimania.com/hclyon

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But wasn't that what David was hyping on here for months? (better than GPL game engine, gameplay and physics) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

???????????????? Laser on top???? By the way, the original post was a joke.......... Marc.

So was the reply. :)

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> ???????????????? > Laser on top???? > By the way, the original post was a joke.......... > Marc. > > >Maybe since he's in Australia he thought he needed to put in the CD > upside > > >down. :-) > > Don't be so ***y stupid. Our CD-Roms have the laser on the top, we

put > > the CDs in the same way as yo guys.

That's one too many steps of sarcasm for me to distinguish!! :) Marc.

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> So was the reply. :) > > ???????????????? > > Laser on top???? > > By the way, the original post was a joke.......... > > Marc. > > > >Maybe since he's in Australia he thought he needed to put in the CD > > upside > > > >down. :-) > > > Don't be so ***y stupid. Our CD-Roms have the laser on the top, we > put > > > the CDs in the same way as yo guys.

I forgot the smiley ....... :-(