GPL - Monza : Beating the 1:30's (About bloody time too)

You F**king Beauty! Sorry for boring the fast chaps out there but the flatmates have told me to stop shouting & celebrating - had to tell someone. I read a post not too long ago about a GPL'er finally going under the 1:30 barrier. Thought I could never get there but tonight after warming up on Kyalami I thought I'd try out a saved race from pole. All went pretty well, dropped to 2nd and spent the whole race in consistent 1:30's. Felt a bit emtpy only finishing second, but as the race was over I had to do the whole qualifying thing again. So off I went and after bumbling around in the 1:31's I did a lap I reckoned was pretty much the same only to find I pulled out a 1:29:65!!! ***y marvellous (swiftly fell off the track after getting the pit board due to celebratory leaping round my bedroom). The small things always make us happy don't they. I think it is all down to trail-braking into Lesmos 1 & 2. I always seem to make time on the AI cars there. Sure enough, after looking at the replays it is the only real difference from my previous PB of 1:30:23. Curve Grande may have made a bit of a difference to, I can't see how so much time can be gained in two corners. Not a hint of rail riding either. Still think I can brake later into the parabolica though ;-) Bring on the 'Ring! That's next on the list for sure! (is it bollocks)

what helped bring my times down (low 28's - still got some work to do!) was working on my exit speeds... I always braked really late and was quite proud of myself, but i wasn' tgetting the best shot out of the corners... on the long straights of monza a lot of time can be made up by getting on the gas a little earlier/straighter and leaving the corner at a higher speed. (Just what I found to work for me anyways.. I'm no race expert) speedracer

Man I gotta say congratulations!! I havent done it yet either but im getting closer all the time. Usually i do better in races cause I seem to have incentive to go faster. Well I'm off to Monza again with a 1:30.71 PB... Chris

I did a 1:29.99 (Lotus) after mucho practising about 5 months ago....haven't been able to match or beat it since, but I haven't really been trying too hard, either. I usually drive the Cooper, so just getting consistent 1:31's would be nice!! Congratulations, Marc.

That post last week really did it. When I read it I also wanted to get below the 1:30 at Monza. So I took my Ferrari out for some training sesions and after a few days practicing and tuning... WHAM! the 1:29:97 popped up. That same day I got below 1:30 at Zandvoort too. My prev. PB was 1:31.09 and after only a few laps it dropped to 1:28:87. Let's just say I had a good day :-) // Johan

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> You F**king Beauty! Sorry for boring the fast chaps out there but the > flatmates have told me to stop shouting & celebrating - had to tell someone. > I read a post not too long ago about a GPL'er finally going under the 1:30 > barrier. Thought I could never get there but tonight after warming up on > Kyalami I thought I'd try out a saved race from pole. All went pretty well, > dropped to 2nd and spent the whole race in consistent 1:30's. Felt a bit > emtpy only finishing second, but as the race was over I had to do the whole > qualifying thing again. So off I went and after bumbling around in the > 1:31's I did a lap I reckoned was pretty much the same only to find I pulled > out a 1:29:65!!! ***y marvellous (swiftly fell off the track after getting > the pit board due to celebratory leaping round my bedroom). The small things > always make us happy don't they. > I think it is all down to trail-braking into Lesmos 1 & 2. I always seem to > make time on the AI cars there. Sure enough, after looking at the replays it > is the only real difference from my previous PB of 1:30:23. Curve Grande may > have made a bit of a difference to, I can't see how so much time can be > gained in two corners. Not a hint of rail riding either. > Still think I can brake later into the parabolica though ;-) > Bring on the 'Ring! That's next on the list for sure! (is it bollocks)

Hi! Same for me! I struggled around in the low 29's, unable to break into the 28's. I couldn't break any later at any corner without f***ing up the lap so I fired up SpyGirl to see where I lost the time. And it were the exits! Because of my _nearly_ too late breaking I wasn't able to drive a smooth line round the corner. I always hit the apex too late and couldn't step on the gas for I was fighting the car to come around. So I tried to break earlier, drive a clean line and tap on the gas as early as possible. Within 5 laps I was in the 28's, with a PB of 1:28.30 up to now. Conclusion: Trailbreaking is important, but don't overcook it! Regards Crash -- http://www.crashmania.de P.S.: Sorry for my bad English! c schrieb:

: That post last week really did it. When I read it I also wanted to get : below the 1:30 at Monza. So I took my Ferrari out for some training : sesions and after a few days practicing and tuning... WHAM! the 1:29:97 : popped up. That same day I got below 1:30 at Zandvoort too. My prev. PB : was 1:31.09 and after only a few laps it dropped to 1:28:87. Let's just : say I had a good day :-) Heh... I got my first sub 1:30 at Monza in the Ferrari recently. I was soooo pleased. (Tho' I'm a bit worried because it was 1.1 online and I think there are timing issues there - but I have got nearly the same times offline racing). I can now do sub 1:30 at Monza in the Lotus with not much bother. I just find it hard to believe that there's another 2-3 seconds to be made up in there somewhere. I decided that a more fun way to spend my time is knocking seconds off my times at the other courses (which are mostly dreadful). Had some major victories getting down to 1:35 at Monaco and 1:25 at Kyalami - which are (admittedly) hugely off the pace for the rest of you, but I'm ***y pleased. My real bogey track is the Ring though. My time seems to have stabalised at 10:25... dreadful. Admittedly that included 4-5 spins - usually at the same place. The one thing I can't get is the consistency. I'm having a terrible time with that. I can do, 4-5 laps at most circuits between spins. (And 4-5 trees between spins). How do I increase my MTBF here? What's the secret to consistency in GPL? Anybody got any tips for this? Also, I find myself very distracted by watching the needle go to red-line. Is everyone else doing this or are the rest of you judging the engine revs by sound? How much difference to a lap time does it make getting the engine right to red-line and how much difference does gearing make full-stop. Ho hum... After nigh on a year playing it's still a great game. -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/

I think you may have something there you know. I am doing exactly what has been described in overcooking the trail-braking into corners and just slipping slightly. I'll need a bit of time to get the exit's right though. The time is definitely there, its just a matter of time I suppose. Can't change your style overnight unfortunately. I thought that a low 1:28 was possible but man that's a challenge. What fuel loads are you running, number of laps until you hit the 28's, which car? All the work on consistency in the Lotus has paid off now for me as I have gotten within 1 tenth of my new PB 3 times in one session. What is the current record for Monza? I dare say Woeger has it (how does he do it? Especially Zandy, can't get below 1:30) Actually a link to a site with all the GPL records would be good. After the qualifying session that I got the 1:29.65 I walked the race from 1st to finish. 1st lap was a 1:35 and all the rest were 1:30's. Johan is right about having good days & bad days. Yesterday's race was the best I've managed but today I can't even get past the first corner without taking out half the field!

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> : That post last week really did it. When I read it I also wanted to get > : below the 1:30 at Monza. So I took my Ferrari out for some training > : sesions and after a few days practicing and tuning... WHAM! the 1:29:97 > : popped up. That same day I got below 1:30 at Zandvoort too. My prev. PB > : was 1:31.09 and after only a few laps it dropped to 1:28:87. Let's just > : say I had a good day :-) > Heh... I got my first sub 1:30 at Monza in the Ferrari recently. I > was soooo pleased. (Tho' I'm a bit worried because it was 1.1 online > and I think there are timing issues there - but I have got nearly the > same times offline racing). I can now do sub 1:30 at Monza in the Lotus > with not much bother. I just find it hard to believe that there's > another 2-3 seconds to be made up in there somewhere. > I decided that a more fun way to spend my time is knocking seconds off > my times at the other courses (which are mostly dreadful). Had some > major victories getting down to 1:35 at Monaco and 1:25 at Kyalami - > which are (admittedly) hugely off the pace for the rest of you, but I'm > ***y pleased. My real bogey track is the Ring though. My time seems > to have stabalised at 10:25... dreadful. Admittedly that included 4-5 > spins - usually at the same place.

Agree, to hotlap Monza is very little rewarding compared to practice the other tracks. Specially the Ring. I had a real thrill when i was able to do two laps in a row without spinning. My pb is still 9.10 ,so there is a long way to go though. Don't focus on the laptimes, just drive without trying to brake juuuust a little later. In online races I find very much pleasure in passing other people who spun out. The problem is that many people i pass after they spun seems to disconnect, so I always finish last anyway :) Definately -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

I found that hairing round Watkins Glan helped a lot in consistency as it is a pretty short circuit and any lap by lap improvements you can think of are still in your mind for changing your drive next time round. It's also not too technical other than braking into the first real big turn at the end of the the outward straight (can't remember the name right now). At Kyalami you may find it handy to go through most corners a gear higher than normal to keep up speed through the corners, it also means that it is far less likely that you'll spin it from high revs. I changed to using 3rd in turn 1, 2, 3, 4 ; 2nd in turn 5 ; 3rd for the chicane & turn 7 and then flat through the kink & over the line. That took my times down to 1:23.15 from the 1:25's I was stuck in for ages. Hope it helps.

Definitely. You can gain so much time sometimes with a slow in - fast out style, especially at Monza. The long straights after nearly every time mean that a good exit will easily outdo any gain you make from braking late. -- Cheers! Graeme Nash (About to fire up GPL 1.0 to see if I can hit the magic 1m26 mark...)

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> You F**king Beauty! Sorry for boring the fast chaps out there but the > flatmates have told me to stop shouting & celebrating - had to tell > someone. > I read a post not too long ago about a GPL'er finally going under the > 1:30 > barrier. Thought I could never get there but tonight after warming up > on > Kyalami I thought I'd try out a saved race from pole. All went pretty > well, > dropped to 2nd and spent the whole race in consistent 1:30's. Felt a > bit > emtpy only finishing second, but as the race was over I had to do the > whole > qualifying thing again. So off I went and after bumbling around in the > 1:31's I did a lap I reckoned was pretty much the same only to find I > pulled > out a 1:29:65!!! ***y marvellous (swiftly fell off the track after > getting > the pit board due to celebratory leaping round my bedroom). The small > things > always make us happy don't they. > I think it is all down to trail-braking into Lesmos 1 & 2. I always > seem to > make time on the AI cars there. Sure enough, after looking at the > replays it > is the only real difference from my previous PB of 1:30:23. Curve > Grande may > have made a bit of a difference to, I can't see how so much time can > be > gained in two corners. Not a hint of rail riding either. > Still think I can brake later into the parabolica though ;-) > Bring on the 'Ring! That's next on the list for sure! (is it bollocks)

8-) One day I'll even manage to try Mexico......Naaah, maybe not!!! 8-) *Peter* - http://www.cix.co.uk/~peterpc/home.html [address restored]

<snipped some good stuff about trail braking> ROFL!!! I had the same experience about two weeks ago, finally got into the 1:29's at Monza and won 3 novice races in succession, all from the front row. I thought I was the King of Monza until I got home the next day and couldn't get through the Curva Grande without slipping into the guardrail! Now close your eyes and repeat after me...slow in, fast out...slow in, fast out....oooooohhhhhmmmmm don [|]-(_)-[|]

Don't sell yourself short, Olav. The person who comes last is the person who disconnects first - at least you're doing a full race distance. Cheers, Mark Reading, UK Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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> <snipped some good stuff about trail braking> > >After the qualifying session that I got the 1:29.65 I walked the race from > >1st to finish. 1st lap was a 1:35 and all the rest were 1:30's. Johan is > >right about having good days & bad days. Yesterday's race was the best I've > >managed but today I can't even get past the first corner without taking out > >half the field! > ROFL!!! I had the same experience about two weeks ago, finally got into the > 1:29's at Monza and won 3 novice races in succession, all from the front > row. I thought I was the King of Monza until I got home the next day and > couldn't get through the Curva Grande without slipping into the guardrail!

Hey ! All these posts give me a boost : " I CAN DO IT !". So last night i've downloaded Nunnini setup guide, I read it 3 times. First to translate it :o) Second to understand it, And Third to sum up it. So i could cook my own cherished setup. And i could done it! PB : 1m28s68 , with missing apex at lesmo1 and bad brake at parabolica. So now i'm working on better setup, and the next frontier is sub 1m28 ! Thank you mister Nunnini ! well, it's very true, but what i think when i'm driving at limit is mostly : " i'm gonna crash !, i'm gonna crash !" " oh my god, all tires are locked, i'm gonna eat sand" "ho jezz, i'm never gonna reach that apex!" in french of course :o) well, honneslty it's when i'm beyond the limits of my skill and/or the setups :o) -- ==================================== Sebastien Tixier - Game Developer http://www.eden-studios.fr http://www.multimania.com/hclyon

> What is the current record for Monza? I dare say Woeger has it (how does he > do it? Especially Zandy, can't get below 1:30) Actually a link to a site > with all the GPL records would be good. Check out http://get.to/gpl The quickest Monza time there is a 1:26.93

<snip> With the Ring, once you know the track well, you should be able to go under 9 minutes just by being smooth and not attacking every corner. I've found that some areas of the circuit are more liable to get you than others, so I'm normally just that little bit more careful at those points. In particular, braking for corners when running down a hill it's very easy for the back end to want to come round if I brake at my normal level so I tend to brake a little earlier and smoother than normal. One final section that took me ages to get right was the part quite early on, somewhere between Flugplatz and Schwedenkrauz I think, where the car gets airborne. I finally learnt that the best way to take this without veering off on landing was to get the car lined up whilst easing off slightly and then hitting the accelerator just before cresting the rise. This seemed to allow the car to land much more stably than any other method that I tried. Don't worry about redlining it unless you are on a straight, fast section. Just concentrate on making sure that you are in the right gear at the right time. If you are not in the correct gear then you will be fooled as to how fast the car is really going which could prove disastrous. -- Peter Ives (AKA Ivington)

What's this, Woeger's not in the top ten??? Andre On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:58:03 -0500, Grant Reeve >> What is the current record for Monza? I dare say Woeger has it (how does he >> do it? Especially Zandy, can't get below 1:30) Actually a link to a site >> with all the GPL records would be good. >Check out http://get.to/gpl and prepare to weep :) >The quickest Monza time there is a 1:26.93

writes: I'm stuck at mid-1:30's in the Ferarri... 1:41 at Monaco, 1:25.79 at Kyalami. Where can I find 6 SECONDS at Monaco? Dumb question - where IS the redline in the Ferarri (or any others for that matter)? I *know* the Ferarri isn't mentioned in the manual, but are the others? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>At Kyalami you may find it handy to go through most corners a gear higher >than normal to keep up speed through the corners, it also means that it is >far less likely that you'll spin it from high revs. I changed to using 3rd >in turn 1, 2, 3, 4 ; 2nd in turn 5 ; 3rd for the chicane & turn 7 and then >flat through the kink & over the line. That took my times down to 1:23.15 >from the 1:25's I was stuck in for ages. >Hope it helps.

Which car? Although in thinking about, I use the same gears in the Eagle or Ferarri. 2nd in 1,2; 3rd in 3; 2nd in 4 ; 1st in 5 ; 2nd in esses & 7, then flat out. It seems I have to slow down too much to keep it in the higher gears, especially turn 5. WTF am I doing wrong? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>> The problem is that many people i pass after they >> spun seems to disconnect, so I always finish last anyway :) >Don't sell yourself short, Olav. The person who comes last is the person who >disconnects first - at least you're doing a full race distance. >Cheers, >Mark >Reading, UK

It's still an empty feeling sometimes. I know how he feels(being last of the cars running). Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>> What is the current record for Monza? I dare say Woeger has it (how does he >> do it? Especially Zandy, can't get below 1:30) Actually a link to a site >> with all the GPL records would be good. >Check out http://get.to/gpl and prepare to weep :) >The quickest Monza time there is a 1:26.93 No problem. I'm only about FIVE seconds off...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

: 1:41 at Monaco, 1:25.79 at Kyalami. Where can I find 6 SECONDS at Monaco? (Grin) Monaco's such a pain. I'm sure that I could get below 1:30 if I just got a clean lap in occasionally. The problem is that to get to that speed I have to put my foot down so hard I average 2 spins a lap. The chicane after the tunnel is a nightmare. : Dumb question - where IS the redline in the Ferarri (or any others for that : matter)? I *know* the Ferarri isn't mentioned in the manual, but are the : others? The redline is... um... well where the red-line is. Watch your rev meter - it has a white line (current revs) and a red line (most revs you've ever done). The red line tends to be at the engine max revs since eventually you don't quite lifte enough between changing gears and your engine goes to max revs sending the tell tale to its max position. -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html

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> : 1:41 at Monaco, 1:25.79 at Kyalami. Where can I find 6 SECONDS at Monaco? > (Grin) Monaco's such a pain. I'm sure that I could get below 1:30 > if I just got a clean lap in occasionally. The problem is that to get > to that speed I have to put my foot down so hard I average 2 spins a > lap. The chicane after the tunnel is a nightmare. > : Dumb question - where IS the redline in the Ferarri (or any others for that > : matter)? I *know* the Ferarri isn't mentioned in the manual, but are the > : others? > The redline is... um... well where the red-line is. Watch your rev > meter - it has a white line (current revs) and a red line (most revs > you've ever done). The red line tends to be at the engine max revs > since eventually you don't quite lifte enough between changing gears > and your engine goes to max revs sending the tell tale to its max > position.

I don't think this is the "red line". It's the red (or "dangerous") area where you should start to become nervous when staying there too long. Do download the ***pits (The US-pits and the Fast lane have links to the proper site) with red-line indication. They are great. Jan. J.H.Hovius.vcf < 1K Download

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>>At Kyalami you may find it handy to go through most corners a gear higher >>than normal to keep up speed through the corners, it also means that it is >>far less likely that you'll spin it from high revs. I changed to using 3rd >>in turn 1, 2, 3, 4 ; 2nd in turn 5 ; 3rd for the chicane & turn 7 and then >>flat through the kink & over the line. That took my times down to 1:23.15 >>from the 1:25's I was stuck in for ages. >>Hope it helps. >Which car? Although in thinking about, I use the same gears in the Eagle or >Ferarri. >2nd in 1,2; 3rd in 3; 2nd in 4 ; 1st in 5 ; 2nd in esses & 7, then flat out. >It seems I have to slow down too much to keep it in the higher gears, >especially turn 5. >WTF am I doing wrong? >Eldred

You're not Eldred. Well, not gears wise anyway. :-) I use exactly the same gearing as you in all corners in the Lotus and have managed a 1:20.3x -- Peter Ives (AKA Ivington)

writes: That track (and Zandvoort) have me too scared to apply full throttle except for on the LONGEST straights... Ah, I see. I was trying to avoid over-revving the engine in the FIRST place, and maybe find the 'sweet spot' to shift. But, it's been a while since I've blown an engine in a race, so the occasional slip doesn't seem to hurt much. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>>>At Kyalami you may find it handy to go through most corners a gear higher >>>than normal to keep up speed through the corners, it also means that it is >>>far less likely that you'll spin it from high revs. I changed to using 3rd >>>in turn 1, 2, 3, 4 ; 2nd in turn 5 ; 3rd for the chicane & turn 7 and then >>>flat through the kink & over the line. That took my times down to 1:23.15 >>>from the 1:25's I was stuck in for ages. >>>Hope it helps. >>Which car? Although in thinking about, I use the same gears in the Eagle or >>Ferarri. >>2nd in 1,2; 3rd in 3; 2nd in 4 ; 1st in 5 ; 2nd in esses & 7, then flat out. >>It seems I have to slow down too much to keep it in the higher gears, >>especially turn 5. >>WTF am I doing wrong? >>Eldred >You're not Eldred. Well, not gears wise anyway. :-) I use exactly the >same gearing as you in all corners in the Lotus and have managed a >1:20.3x >-- >Peter Ives >(AKA Ivington)

What?!? Son of a... Rats, back to the track. I gotta find another 5 seconds...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>writes: >>: 1:41 at Monaco, 1:25.79 at Kyalami. Where can I find 6 SECONDS at Monaco? >> (Grin) Monaco's such a pain. I'm sure that I could get below 1:30 >>if I just got a clean lap in occasionally. The problem is that to get >>to that speed I have to put my foot down so hard I average 2 spins a >>lap. The chicane after the tunnel is a nightmare. >That track (and Zandvoort) have me too scared to apply full throttle except for >on the LONGEST straights...

Too bad the chicane is essential ;-) What helped me crack the 1:30 in Monaco (in the Brabham) is looking further ahead down the harbour after the chicane. Might be psychology, but it really helped me pointing the car the right way and then nailing the pedal down to go through it at full power. Hope this helps, Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany (52.0N/8h30mE) Ever wondered what's wrong with the world? http://bnetwork.com/ PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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>>You're not Eldred. Well, not gears wise anyway. :-) I use exactly the >>same gearing as you in all corners in the Lotus and have managed a >>1:20.3x >>-- >>Peter Ives >>(AKA Ivington) >What?!? Son of a... >Rats, back to the track. I gotta find another 5 seconds...<g>

Never mind about finding 5 seconds at Kayalami. Now get back to improving your times on Monza and I don't want to hear another word...<g> -- Peter Ives (AKA Ivington)

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><snip> >>>You're not Eldred. Well, not gears wise anyway. :-) I use exactly the >>>same gearing as you in all corners in the Lotus and have managed a >>>1:20.3x >>>-- >>>Peter Ives >>>(AKA Ivington) >>What?!? Son of a... >>Rats, back to the track. I gotta find another 5 seconds...<g> >Never mind about finding 5 seconds at Kayalami. Now get back to >improving your times on Monza and I don't want to hear another >word...<g>

<sigh>...ok..... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> >What?!? Son of a... > >Rats, back to the track. I gotta find another 5 seconds...<g> > Never mind about finding 5 seconds at Kayalami. Now get back to > improving your times on Monza and I don't want to hear another > word...<g> > -- > Peter Ives > (AKA Ivington)

I use to hate driving at Kyalami in my Eagle. I just couldn't get comfortable,and as a result I was real slow. Then 3 weeks ago I went back to the Brabham for both F1 and F2. Within 15 min I turned a PB at Kyalami of 1:22.9 and 1:26.57 in the F2. The lap in the F2 Brabham was a lot scarier than the F1 lap !! It's still a struggle to get under 1:30 at Monza,but I did it once with a 1:29.98 last week. Most of my qualifying laps are just in the 30s with the Toad. But going through the lesmos with it is more fun than any other car in GPL. Joel Willstein Joel Willstein