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Im three seconds behind myself. Just got a MSFF-wheel and forced to use my feet for throttle and brake. Thats no got - yet. Before I had a Thrustmaster Formula Sprint and used it with the paddles for throt and brake. Ive founds out that my hands are more precise than my feet, or is it just training? Now I also know that the MSFF wheel is miles better in steering precision, now I can line up right to the edge of the track. Though I will never use FF with GPL - just hate it. With SCGT im forced to use the FFand I just cant see no realism in it just some kind of vibration gimmick. What I like to say is that I would like to have something like the Thrustmaster wheel with the non-digital paddles but with the steering precision of the MSFF. Is that a caramel to find somewhere? P

>Im three seconds behind myself. You can be in two places at the same time? I would like to know how to do this, it could save me a lot of money paying my employees. The indignity of having to use your feet for pedals escapes me. While we are at it, who is forcing you to use the wheel? Are you in prison or something? It's the way you drive a car unless you are handicapped. There isn't much training involved. What were you using to shift gears? Maybe you could close one eye and shut off the sound, too. That would make it much nicer. Who is forcing you to use FF? Either shut the FF off on the wheel, or you might consider unchecking the "Force Feedback" box. I'm no expert, but that *might* stop those awful force feedback effects. After all, you wouldn't want to shake your hands around while you are trying to work the gas and brake buttons. That would interfere with your precision button pressing. Nobody wants to use their hands for gas and brake except you and people who have no choice. If you want caramels, go to a candy store. You could also go into your Sidewinder software and create a profile that assigns keyboard keys to the paddles and then assign the gas and brake to those keys in the game. On the other hand, I can't help you with trying to assign the pedals for shifting. I assume you will use them for that since your hands will be busy with the gas and brake and steering. Bizzare. ~daxe -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

Well Dave, thanks for your advices, I certainly remind me of the off-FF in SCGT thanks to you. As for shfting I used the buttons on the Thrust-wheel, worked fine, For everything else I just say - I happy not to be employeed by you, your ironic way would kill me.

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>>Im three seconds behind myself. >You can be in two places at the same time? I would like to know how to do >this, it could save me a lot of money paying my employees. >>Just got a MSFF-wheel and forced to use my feet for throttle and brake. >The indignity of having to use your feet for pedals escapes me. While we

are >at it, who is forcing you to use the wheel? Are you in prison or something? >>Thats no got - yet. Before I had a Thrustmaster Formula Sprint and used it

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>>with the paddles for throt and brake. Ive founds out that my hands are >more >>precise than my feet, or is it just training? >It's the way you drive a car unless you are handicapped. There isn't much >training involved. What were you using to shift gears? >>Now I also know that the MSFF >>wheel is miles better in steering precision, now I can line up right to

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>>edge of the track. Though I will never use FF with GPL - just hate it. >Maybe you could close one eye and shut off the sound, too. That would make >it much nicer. >>With >>SCGT im forced to use the FFand I just cant see no realism in it just >some >>kind of vibration gimmick. >Who is forcing you to use FF? Either shut the FF off on the wheel, or you >might consider unchecking the "Force Feedback" box. I'm no expert, but

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>*might* stop those awful force feedback effects. After all, you wouldn't >want to shake your hands around while you are trying to work the gas and >brake buttons. That would interfere with your precision button pressing. >>What I like to say is that I would like to have something like the >>Thrustmaster wheel with the non-digital paddles but with the steering >>precision of the MSFF. Is that a caramel to find somewhere? >Nobody wants to use their hands for gas and brake except you and people who >have no choice. If you want caramels, go to a candy store. You could also >go into your Sidewinder software and create a profile that assigns keyboard >keys to the paddles and then assign the gas and brake to those keys in the >game. On the other hand, I can't help you with trying to assign the pedals >for shifting. I assume you will use them for that since your hands will be >busy with the gas and brake and steering. >Bizzare. >~daxe > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News

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You may get a better feel if you take of your shoes! That is how I race with the MSFF. (Or did you operate the TM Sprint with gloves on? ;) The other thing you can try is take a squash ball (Dunlop yellow dot), cut it in half and put one half under the brake pedal. It fits in there like it was made for it. Then calibrate pressing the brake to a level where you feel a good resistance, which is a little short of the full range. The result of this is a more or less pressure sensitive brake effect. Apart from these measures, it's only natural that takes time to learn using your feet instead of your hands. Different coordination alltogether. Regards Bart Westra

>Well Dave, thanks for your advices, ........For everything else I just say - I happy not to be >employeed by >you, your ironic way would kill me. That's OK..I don't people who can't read, anyway. daXe -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

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>>Well Dave, thanks for your advices, ........For everything else I just >say - I happy not to be >employeed by >>you, your ironic way would kill me. >That's OK..I don't people who can't read, anyway. >daXe

Well, Daxe, clearly the man can read ... at least as well as you can write, apparently. Jeez, you're a little pissy today. Kurt Steinbock

Your lack of manners is amazing. I am embarrassed to even be a part of this newsgroup sometimes. -Tony-

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> Hmm..you were supposed to pick up the word I left out through > telepathy..didn't you get it? It was a test..you failed... Ptthhllppptt!!! > (hiding under desk) > :o) > The guy is a dolt. If he doesn't like FF, why did he get a FF wheel? Why > didn't he just read the info that comes with the wheel and answer his own > question about using paddles for throttle and brake? And the FF option in > SCGT is right there in the options screens. It's not like you have to edit > an .ini file or something. The guy obviously is too lazy to read anything > and wants us to do it for him. That pisses me off, so there you go. I > answered his question about how to use the paddles for throttle and brake, > and my price for doing his reading and thinking for him is being sarcastic > towards him. > Nobody else answered his question about using paddles for throttle and > brake, either, I noticed, sarcasm or no sarcasm. > daxe (not dave) > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! > ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

Both actually. You'll have to get used to driving with your feet, and will get much better at it as the weeks get by. But ultimately you will always be a little faster using your fingertips. I have no doubt about that. It's just not very much like driving a real car IMHO. You might try the PDPI game card for your TM wheel. It's supposed to be more precise than a soundcard game port. I don't have one, so can't comment any further. Ask around. Bye, Leo

>Well, Daxe, clearly the man can read ... at least as well as you can write, >apparently. Hmm..you were supposed to pick up the word I left out through telepathy..didn't you get it? It was a test..you failed... Ptthhllppptt!!! (hiding under desk) :o) The guy is a dolt. If he doesn't like FF, why did he get a FF wheel? Why didn't he just read the info that comes with the wheel and answer his own question about using paddles for throttle and brake? And the FF option in SCGT is right there in the options screens. It's not like you have to edit an .ini file or something. The guy obviously is too lazy to read anything and wants us to do it for him. That pisses me off, so there you go. I answered his question about how to use the paddles for throttle and brake, and my price for doing his reading and thinking for him is being sarcastic towards him. Nobody else answered his question about using paddles for throttle and brake, either, I noticed, sarcasm or no sarcasm. daxe (not dave) -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

>Your lack of manners is amazing. I am embarrassed to even be a part of >this newsgroup sometimes. >-Tony- As I (and others) have noted in this NG many times, I am an ***. If you don't like what I write, killfile me. ~daxe -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

> Im three seconds behind myself. > Just got a MSFF-wheel and forced to use my feet for throttle and brake. > Thats no got - yet. Before I had a Thrustmaster Formula Sprint and used it > with the paddles for throt and brake. Ive founds out that my hands are more > precise than my feet, or is it just training? No, you're right that your hands and fingers are more sensitive than your feet and toes. That shouldn't surprise too many. However, with practice you will get accustomed to the pedals, and since you can run them on separate axes allowing simultaneous throttle and brake application, you should end up quicker. When I was using my old GP1, I found that using my hands for throttle, brake, and shifting reduced my steering precision as well. <snip> The new Ferrari-badged Guillemot wheels supposedly use analog paddles and digital sensors, and can be used with or without foot pedals. Remains to be seen how well they work. Cheers, Steve Blankenship

>No, you're right that your hands and fingers are more sensitive than your >feet and toes. That shouldn't surprise too many. However, with practice >you will get accustomed to the pedals, and since you can run them on >separate axes allowing simultaneous throttle and brake application, you >should end up quicker. Someone earlier in this thread mentioned taking your shoes off when you use the pedals on the MSFF. I use either bare feet or socks and actually seem to use my toes rather than my whole foot. I can recommend you try this, also. I always make my Dad try out the latest racing sim/game and he can't seem to work the pedals because he can't even feel them with his shoes on! He wonders why the car won't move and it's because he inadvertently has the brake depressed while he's trying to accelerate. (And this is the guy who taught me to drive...uh oh!) I don't have any problems with co-ordination, but using my hands for all these things seems nightmarish. In the heat of a moment it just seems like you would hit the wrong 'pedal' and up or downshift at an inopportune moment. (Visions of downshifting instead of upshifting in N3 come to mind, popping the motor with 2 laps to go) Plus, logistically, how do you reach the paddles all the time? If they are stationary, then you can't have your hands on the wheel to steer and shift, and if they travel with the wheel (as they do on the MSFF) then they can get to a pretty strange angle to try and reach, let alone squeeze/press with accuracy. Look Ma, no rudeness! daxe -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

Well, I love my MSFF in GPL. And yes it took nearly a month before my times were consistant and better everywhere. But that was because the wheel/car was fighting me,not a bunch of springs just expanding and contracting. And when the car got light it was a whole new driving experience. As for SCGT,yes I will most certainly agree that the FF issues really need to be addressed with another patch. Joel Willstein

<snip> my whole foot. I can recommend you try this,also.< I ALWAYS wear my lucky woolly cycling socks, else it just wouldn't feel right! And the toes got the nod with either TM or Logitech pedals, but with my CH's, the whole foot gets the call. SO much more comfy... things seems nightmarish.< My sentiments exactly. Only with automatic gearchange does it feel really good. Obviously that's out for GPL due to the performance hit, but I admit I still use it in GP2 and remain quicker with paddles than pedals in it. stationary, then you can't have your hands on the wheel to steer and shift, and if they travel with the wheel (as they do on the MSFF) then they can get to a pretty strange angle to try and reach, let alone squeeze/press with accuracy.< They do move with the wheel, and at least on the old GP1's, were well-placed and quite intuitive to use. However, I rode/raced motorcycles for years so I'm accustomed to using my hands for such. A wheel with paddles works great for GP500, by the way. Hey; let's not start a trend here...:-) Cheers, Steve Blankenship remove "edy" from address for email

>>Look Ma, no rudeness!< >Hey; let's not start a trend here...:-) Sorry..I'll have to remember to be more unpleasant next time. :o) daxe -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

It's not the *** part--it's the sheer banality. > >Your lack of manners is amazing. I am embarrassed to even be a part of > >this newsgroup sometimes. > >-Tony- > As I (and others) have noted in this NG many times, I am an ***. If > you don't like what I write, killfile me. > ~daxe > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! > ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

I have the MSFFW and use it barefoot as well. I have one word of warning, though. The back-side of the pedal edges on the MSFFW are RAZOR sharp. It look like absolutely no smoothing is applied to the back side of the pedals at the factory. It will bite you (and I have used many a band-aid proving it) especially if the pedals are too far away, and you wrap your feet around the back of them to pull them towards you. Instant cut. Be careful :) -Larry

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> >No, you're right that your hands and fingers are more sensitive than your > >feet and toes. That shouldn't surprise too many. However, with practice > >you will get accustomed to the pedals, and since you can run them on > >separate axes allowing simultaneous throttle and brake application, you > >should end up quicker. > Someone earlier in this thread mentioned taking your shoes off when you

use > the pedals on the MSFF. I use either bare feet or socks and actually seem > to use my toes rather than my whole foot. I can recommend you try this, > also. I always make my Dad try out the latest racing sim/game and he can't > seem to work the pedals because he can't even feel them with his shoes on! > He wonders why the car won't move and it's because he inadvertently has the

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> brake depressed while he's trying to accelerate. (And this is the guy who > taught me to drive...uh oh!) > >When I was using my old GP1, I found that using my > >hands for throttle, brake, and shifting reduced my steering precision as > >well. > I don't have any problems with co-ordination, but using my hands for all > these things seems nightmarish. In the heat of a moment it just seems

like > you would hit the wrong 'pedal' and up or downshift at an inopportune > moment. (Visions of downshifting instead of upshifting in N3 come to mind, > popping the motor with 2 laps to go) Plus, logistically, how do you reach > the paddles all the time? If they are stationary, then you can't have your > hands on the wheel to steer and shift, and if they travel with the wheel (as > they do on the MSFF) then they can get to a pretty strange angle to try and

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>I have the MSFFW and use it barefoot as well. I have one word of warning, >though. >The back-side of the pedal edges on the MSFFW are RAZOR sharp. It look like

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>absolutely no smoothing is applied to the back side of the pedals at the >factory. >It will bite you (and I have used many a band-aid proving it) especially if >the pedals are too far away, and you wrap your feet around the back of them >to pull them towards you. Instant cut. >Be careful :)

I have done this and not cut my feet, but I have skin like the hide of an old elephant on my size 13 paws and I could probably walk across broken glass and not feel it. Good warning, though. Get the sandpaper! daxe -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

Mine isn't like that.... -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

This is all very true but there's another side to it. I also like to play barefoot and haven't smoothened the edges behind the pedals. I've noticed that when the goin' gets tough I tend to wrap my great toe around the accelerator and press it against the sharp edge. Mostly subconsciously, but it does seem to help in maintaining concentration. Usually my friends can tell just by looking at my toes whether I've recently managed to break some of my PBs in GPL. Find this a bit odd? There are people who think all GPL players are ***s. --- Antti 'Scartoe' Peteri 15 miles. your dim light shines from so far away - Soul Asylum, Promises Broken