Most realistic racing game?

Umm, perhaps most realistic physics and most respectful of F1 racing. Maybe it was sunny every single day in 1967 but not where I lived. Good race realism in TOCA2 with pit stop and tire choice strategy decisions but you'll soon outrun the AI and some say the FWD simulation is suspect. Good fender to fender stuff though. Also TOCA's Copse at Silverstone in the rain is a challenge GPL won't give you! You're right. It's fun and pretty but better if you haven't earned a real-world drivers license. ;-)

I've owned every auto sim to date and nothing has grabbed me like SCGT. Its just a blast, especially with a Logitech Formuala Force (FF) wheel. GPL I found much to difficult to ever win. > From most of the reviews and reports I have read (not to mention my own > opinion <g>), the majority opinion seemed to be that GPL had the most > realistic driving model, with Viper Racing a distant second, and the other > sims not on the same lap. > In terms of recreation of the entire racing environment, perhaps SCGT would > take the prize, theough there has been a lot of criticism of its physics > model. > My personal experience is that all the sims I've tried except GPL and VR now

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> feel rather "dead" to me, like driving by remote control. > Sky > > Just like to know what was the most realistic racing game right now on

the > > market. I prefer either Rally, Touring and F1 type of racing game. I know > > right now, alot of people will say GPL was the most realistic racing > > simulation but beside this are there any other? > > I've D/L the Rally championship 2000 demo and find that this is a very > nice > > Sim. I do hope that it will be release in time. But before this, i'll like > > to know others which is available at this moment. > > BTW, do you guys find NFS: HS realistic? I really like the***pit and the

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> > graphic in it but was finding this game to be like an arcade game. Any > > comments? > > Hope to have some of you guys comments. > > Thanks. > > Philip.

Just like to know what was the most realistic racing game right now on the market. I prefer either Rally, Touring and F1 type of racing game. I know right now, alot of people will say GPL was the most realistic racing simulation but beside this are there any other? I've D/L the Rally championship 2000 demo and find that this is a very nice Sim. I do hope that it will be release in time. But before this, i'll like to know others which is available at this moment. BTW, do you guys find NFS: HS realistic? I really like the***pit and the graphic in it but was finding this game to be like an arcade game. Any comments? Hope to have some of you guys comments. Thanks. Philip.

Sorry, there is only one. Jan. ----

Toca2 is not that great. Infact the orginal SCGT demo with no physics hack felt better then Toca2. For me SCGT is the best modern racing game. The AI does need a bit of work and GPL AI beat SCGTs hands down, but for a game that has a good feel of a slick tired racing car SCGT is great. Toca2 is too oversteery for me. Dave

Same advice than Jan .......GPL all other "sims" are just games Jean

Rally Championship will be released next Friday (19th). I think you'll find that to be the most realistic and complete sim ever made. David G Fisher

Two words: Viper Racing! -- Peace, love and Monkeemobiles, Galley ===>Remove "Spam Jammer" to reply<===

From most of the reviews and reports I have read (not to mention my own opinion <g>), the majority opinion seemed to be that GPL had the most realistic driving model, with Viper Racing a distant second, and the other sims not on the same lap. In terms of recreation of the entire racing environment, perhaps SCGT would take the prize, theough there has been a lot of criticism of its physics model. My personal experience is that all the sims I've tried except GPL and VR now feel rather "dead" to me, like driving by remote control. Sky

GPL is a great game, and well if I ever drove a BT24 with the Repco and old tires then it might be right. The game play is great and online is great. If you want online racing then go that way. Viper racing well I do not own it. I tried Demo and got a bit bored since it was only one car. Well I am not sure why they have a gripe there. It reacts very similar to my Solo ll car which runs slicks, I really just wish the AI was better. The grip may be a bit on the high side since the cars do run laps faster then real ones. I do however enjoy it the most, it may be also due to I do not have the time to commit to be fast again in GPL. It takes a while to get good and also aa bit of driving every week to maintain it. Well with 3 kids, a wife and a race car to feed I just do not have the time to commit to it anymore. Have fun, Dave

How do you guys think about Nascar? I've recently seen 1 Nascar 3 also from Papyrus and Nascar Legends. Also seen 1 Nascar Revolution SE or something like that from EA. So you guys have any comments on it? I don't really like Nascar series of racing game but do you guys think it's good?

Nascar 3 and Legends are very good, no question the most realistic Nascar sims to date. Nascar Revolution by EA is way to arcadish for me. -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends > How do you guys think about Nascar? I've recently seen 1 Nascar 3 also from > Papyrus and Nascar Legends. Also seen 1 Nascar Revolution SE or something > like that from EA. So you guys have any comments on it? I don't really like > Nascar series of racing game but do you guys think it's good? > > Just like to know what was the most realistic racing game right now on the > > market. I prefer either Rally, Touring and F1 type of racing game. I know > > right now, alot of people will say GPL was the most realistic racing > > simulation but beside this are there any other? > > I've D/L the Rally championship 2000 demo and find that this is a very > nice > > Sim. I do hope that it will be release in time. But before this, i'll like > > to know others which is available at this moment. > > BTW, do you guys find NFS: HS realistic? I really like the***pit and the > > graphic in it but was finding this game to be like an arcade game. Any > > comments? > > Hope to have some of you guys comments. > > Thanks. > > Philip.

If it's too oversteery for you, then you havn't set the car up...I found that to begin with, but you have to a)Use an FF wheel, you'll find you get what I think is better feedback than GPL...My opinion - no flaming please. b)Set the car up (spring rates higher at the front) Oh - one hint for any TOCA 2 driver...to be quick, you must have ALL the downforce turned off...just a stupid feature of the game !! However - stupidities apart (GPL has it's fair share) I believe TOCA 2 is WELL worth a spin at the moment - it looks good, the tracks are nice (apart from the run from Paddock Hill bend to Druids at Brands Hatch) I've given up playing GPL...REPEAT "PLAYING". because it's not really fun any more. However, I'll happily leg it around Brands Hatch in the Honda, trying to find my way around paddock hill bend without hitting that ***Y GREAT BUMP IN THE ROAD that is prone to throwing you into the wall. I prefer TOCA 2 - not because it's easier to win--it's just more FUN. That, surely, is the point!?! Doug

Wasn't there a patch to fix that?? -- Cheers, Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer. http://www.oppositelock.co.uk Nrburgring and Grand Prix Legends | > Toca2 is not that great. Infact the orginal SCGT demo with no physics hack | > felt better then Toca2. For me SCGT is the best modern racing game. The | > AI does need a bit of work and GPL AI beat SCGTs hands down, but for a game | > that has a good feel of a slick tired racing car SCGT is great. Toca2 is | > too oversteery for me. | | If it's too oversteery for you, then you havn't set the car up...I found | that to begin with, but you have to a)Use an FF wheel, you'll find you | get what I think is better feedback than GPL...My opinion - no flaming | please. b)Set the car up (spring rates higher at the front) | | Oh - one hint for any TOCA 2 driver...to be quick, you must have ALL the | downforce turned off...just a stupid feature of the game !! | | However - stupidities apart (GPL has it's fair share) I believe TOCA 2 | is WELL worth a spin at the moment - it looks good, the tracks are nice | (apart from the run from Paddock Hill bend to Druids at Brands Hatch) | | I've given up playing GPL...REPEAT "PLAYING". because it's not really | fun any more. However, I'll happily leg it around Brands Hatch in the | Honda, trying to find my way around paddock hill bend without hitting | that ***Y GREAT BUMP IN THE ROAD that is prone to throwing you into | the wall. | | I prefer TOCA 2 - not because it's easier to win--it's just more FUN. | That, surely, is the point!?! | | Doug

I tried the TOCA 2 demo. I was _HIGHLY_ disappointed with the feel of the car and amount of enjoyment I got from playing it. The physics model does not model understeer at all. The rear tires just suddenly lose all traction like you hit ice if you try to go too fast, no matter what you do with the car setup. It's just not too enjoyable of a game for me. Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited http://simcrash.00game.com

TOCA2 just seems like an arcade game. Everything from Codemasters seems arcade. James Larson

TOCA 2 - not because it's easier to win--it's just more FUN. Got to agree, bought TOCA2 about 3 weeks ago and IMHO no other sim I've ever raced captured the "spirit" of the series it's attempting to simulate like TOCA2. I've watched BTCC on SpeedVision and it looks frantic. Racing in TOCA2 is also frantic and one heck of alot of fun. Now, if only the damn AI weren't so slow and they didn't give up once you passed them.

Great racing. Oval track racing is its own art form. Patience and precision. Same with Indy car sims featuring ovals. You need a cool head to survive. I've raced N1999 and while the racing is good the heavy cars and trucks just aren't my cup 'o tea (teabagger lingo...).

I do hope so, but have they fixed the steering ? :) -- Ian Parker UKGPL League http://members.xoom.com/ukgpl/index.html http://www.ukgpl.com --

: >alot of people will say GPL was the most realistic racing : >simulation There's a new game which most of you will never had heard of - Virtual Grand Prix, which is an F1 simulator, and is definitely the most realistic F1 simulator around. Whilst the graphics are not up with the latest high- spec PC games, it does provide the most realistic simulator available. Unfortunately, for most of you, it's Amiga only :) The author also actually does listen his customers, and provides quick upgrades to it. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- The Infamous Captain Potato Die Toten Hosen - Until the Bitter End Bis zum bitteren Ende http://members.tripod.com/~DeadPants

I've been out of the Amiga loop for a while. What spec does this require and where does one obtain it? I have an A1200 w/ '030 and 12M ram. PC counterparts. Lightning Leroy

I can't agree with F1GP being better on the Amiga. I loved F1GP on the Amiga, it was the game that made me interested in f1 racing, but after a few months I got my first pc. a 486dx, brand new for it's time. I played F1GP on the pc, and didn't notice much difference with the amiga version. Untill I tried the Amiga version again, I couldn't believe how bad the framerate was compared to the pc version! And the physics were exactly the same on the pc. Andre

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> I've been out of the Amiga loop for a while. What spec does this require >and where does one obtain it? > I have an A1200 w/ '030 and 12M ram. >PC counterparts. >Lightning Leroy

> If it's too oversteery for you, then you havn't set the car up It's too oversteery because there's no understeer (that I found in the two weeks I'd borrowed it for, anyway). Depends on your idea of fun;-) I can see where people are coming from with the frantic aspect, but the handling model infuriates the hell out of me, whereas GPL fills me with joy (OK, -slight- overstatement) everytime I take to the track just because the car feels right. I also don't find the arcade presentation does it any favours - but then I will merrilly admit to being in the vast minority when it comes to TOCA2 - I don't think I read a bad review anywhere, where I read a few complaining about GPL. Cheers Mark Reading, UK Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

While N3 and NL have some basic shortcomings in their physics and modeling, they are certainly more fun than TOCA2 or SCGT just because of the AI at speed. TOCA2 AI is too slow and gives up too easily. SCGT AI is just plain nuts, and will run over you for position (Earnhardt in GT1, maybe?). In either N3 or NL, for a really intense and fun offline race go to one of the "bull rings" like Memphis, Hickory, Bristol, etc. with a full field at 100% strength. We just need to get more folks using Nascar Legends online and get more than 2 or 3 racers in a field. Still, as an overall package, it will be a while before anybody is one up on GPL for its physics. The realism is awesome - especially if you have ever driven an open wheel car with no downforce (FV, etc.). The online racing adds so much, too, except for the warping that makes close racing and the start a bit scary. > How do you guys think about Nascar? I've recently seen 1 Nascar 3 also from > Papyrus and Nascar Legends. Also seen 1 Nascar Revolution SE or something > like that from EA. So you guys have any comments on it? I don't really like > Nascar series of racing game but do you guys think it's good? > > Just like to know what was the most realistic racing game right now on the > > market. I prefer either Rally, Touring and F1 type of racing game. I know > > right now, alot of people will say GPL was the most realistic racing > > simulation but beside this are there any other? > > I've D/L the Rally championship 2000 demo and find that this is a very > nice > > Sim. I do hope that it will be release in time. But before this, i'll like > > to know others which is available at this moment. > > BTW, do you guys find NFS: HS realistic? I really like the***pit and the > > graphic in it but was finding this game to be like an arcade game. Any > > comments? > > Hope to have some of you guys comments. > > Thanks. > > Philip. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

: I've been out of the Amiga loop for a while. What spec does this require : and where does one obtain it? : I have an A1200 w/ '030 and 12M ram. Your machine can handle it. It needs AGA &/or a GFX card, CD-ROM drive, 030 and at least 4mb RAM. : PC counterparts. That's why there are still people playing F1GP in net championships :) (Not to mention that we Amiga owners have been starved of newer games :P ) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- The Infamous Captain Potato Die Toten Hosen - Until the Bitter End Bis zum bitteren Ende http://members.tripod.com/~DeadPants

: I can't agree with F1GP being better on the Amiga. I loved F1GP on the : Amiga, it was the game that made me interested in f1 racing, but after : a few months I got my first pc. a 486dx, brand new for it's time. : I played F1GP on the pc, and didn't notice much difference with the : amiga version. Untill I tried the Amiga version again, I couldn't : believe how bad the framerate was compared to the pc version! : And the physics were exactly the same on the pc. That's true for the out-of-the-box version, but with F1GP-Editor is can be changed. Crammond didn't have the foresight to allow for faster Amigas when he did the Amiga version :P The only feature lacking from the Amiga version is the clouds of spray in the wet races. I think you'd be surprised at what F1GP-Ed does to the game - even 1999 high noses are there now :) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- The Infamous Captain Potato Die Toten Hosen - Until the Bitter End Bis zum bitteren Ende http://members.tripod.com/~DeadPants

<snip amiga stuff> Hey.. Amongst the numerous things I know absolutely nothing about is the Amiga platform. Can you point me at a good URL to get a better understanding of the hardware aspect? Thanks for any help, ~daxe -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

> The Amiga(God rest its soul) is dead. The corporeal eneities that >wander aimlessly about proclaiming it's greatness are lost souls that >don't know yet how to cross over to "the other side I knew it was defunct, I am just curious about it since computer hardware and operating systems are a sort of hobby of mine. There are 250+ items on Ebay when you enter 'Amiga' as a search term, and the most expensive is 600$. Seems like getting the best (for its time) Amiga rig and plenty of software for it would not be too expensive. I would just like to put it through its paces and see what it does and doesn't do, blah blah blah. daxe -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

The Amiga(God rest its soul) is dead. The corporeal eneities that wander aimlessly about proclaiming it's greatness are lost souls that don't know yet how to cross over to "the other side" The saddest day of my computer life was when I gave up on my A500 Amiga and bought a 386dx. I went by the handle "The Fallen" to symbolize my wretched existence having to learn about irq's and autoexecs, and configs...Remember what the man said, you can't know how low the lows are until you've seen the highs.(paraphrased) Fallyn Dave Henrie former Amiga A500 owner.

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> <snip amiga stuff> > Hey.. > Amongst the numerous things I know absolutely nothing about is the Amiga > platform. Can you point me at a good URL to get a better understanding of > the hardware aspect? > Thanks for any help, > ~daxe > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! > ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

Better => Amiga A500 8hz (keyboard & cpu in one unit no harddrive) \ Amiga A1200(expansion bay, mainly used for cpu accelerators) \Amiga A1200 with .030 accelerator card Amiga 2000 (traditional horizontal case) \Amiga 3000 (tower case??) \Amiga 4000 with .040 chipset.(might be higher clock speeds) 40hz versus pc's 600 for Intell PIII or 700 for AMD Athlon Amiga Toaster == Separate box that was first home broadcast quality home video editor, partially designed and produced by the brother of comedian Dana Carvey (hz may be mhz I don't know the difference!!! ) :> Amiga OS was hardcoded on replacable chips. Desktop enviroment was loaded from hard drive on the 2000's or from floppy for the A500. Originally used the same motorolla chip as the Mac. Think of a fully developed amiga using the IBM Power PC chip of today...OOPS I starting to sound like a ghost again. Dave Henrie

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> > The Amiga(God rest its soul) is dead. The corporeal eneities that > >wander aimlessly about proclaiming it's greatness are lost souls that > >don't know yet how to cross over to "the other side > I knew it was defunct, I am just curious about it since computer hardware > and operating systems are a sort of hobby of mine. There are 250+ items on > Ebay when you enter 'Amiga' as a search term, and the most expensive is > 600$. Seems like getting the best (for its time) Amiga rig and plenty of > software for it would not be too expensive. I would just like to put it > through its paces and see what it does and doesn't do, blah blah blah. > daxe > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! > ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

> Better <snip> Thanks, Dave. You summed up everything I wanted to learn in one neat little package. Must have been fun to be involved in that when it was current. ~daxe -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

: Amongst the numerous things I know absolutely nothing about is the Amiga : platform. Can you point me at a good URL to get a better understanding of : the hardware aspect? There are a few good sources: www.cucug.org/amiinformation.html - a long list of links, which provide a huge range of sites, with info on about every Amiga ever built (or not) www.onlyamiga.freeserve.co.uk - taken from the above list, perhaps the best site for the info you want. www.amiga.com - the official owner (a Gateway company), but don't expect too much from them *spit* FYI - the Amiga is still used by various companies professionally, including NASA for launching the Space Shuttles and rockets :) Anthony. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- The Infamous Captain Potato Die Toten Hosen - Until the Bitter End Bis zum bitteren Ende http://members.tripod.com/~DeadPants

: The Amiga(God rest its soul) is dead. The corporeal eneities that : wander aimlessly about proclaiming it's greatness are lost souls that : don't know yet how to cross over to "the other side" :) It's not dead - not yet, it's just very sick. Some of us are still fighting for it - I can't wait for my Motorola G4 accelerator to arrive :) : The saddest day of my computer life was when I gave up on my A500 : Amiga and bought a 386dx. I went by the handle "The Fallen" to : symbolize my wretched existence having to learn about irq's and : autoexecs, and configs...Remember what the man said, you can't know how : low the lows are until you've seen the highs.(paraphrased) Having vast experience with PCs and Macs (amongst others), the Amiga is still my choice of computers - mainly because it's FUN! That's a term I've not heard used to describe Win98 ;) Getting back to the topic though - the Amiga does have the most realistic F1 simulator available - Virtual Grand Prix :) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- The Infamous Captain Potato Die Toten Hosen - Until the Bitter End Bis zum bitteren Ende http://members.tripod.com/~DeadPants

: \Amiga 4000 with .040 chipset.(might be higher : clock speeds) 40hz versus pc's 600 for Intell PIII or 700 for AMD Athlon Don't forget 68060 accelerators (up to 75MHz), and the PPC cards :) : Originally used the same motorolla chip as the Mac. Think of a fully : developed amiga using the IBM Power PC chip of today...OOPS I starting : to sound like a ghost again. :) There are develpments on this front, and there are already 603e/604e PPC accelerators on the market, soon G3/G4 ones. Okay, they are not fully integrated, but that is the next step :) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- The Infamous Captain Potato Die Toten Hosen - Until the Bitter End Bis zum bitteren Ende http://members.tripod.com/~DeadPants

: Thanks, Dave. You summed up everything I wanted to learn in one neat little : package. Must have been fun to be involved in that when it was current. It still is fun :) My A4000 can do nearly everything that a PC can, that I need it to do, other than run GPL ;) Anthony. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- The Infamous Captain Potato Die Toten Hosen - Until the Bitter End Bis zum bitteren Ende http://members.tripod.com/~DeadPants