NASCAR LEGENDS: No online racing, WHY????????????

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> I got my copy of NASCAR LEGENDS yesterday and after installing it > and spending a bit of time on some basic setups so as not to embarrass > myself TOO badly, I jumped onto the multiplayer site today. > I am a bit alarmed to see there was only two races held at the > time, with one being a PASSWORDED race, and the other was one with the > setups blocked onto what the host wanted. > No problem with that second, but why aren't there more races > available? > Is it that not that many people have the SIM yet, or that there > is something wrong, and everyone prefers to go racing online with N3?? > Don

I have noticed the same thing. I too got my copy yesterday. I think Nascar Legends appeals less to the casual gamer and most people. Even people who love N3 will not necessarily buy the game. Maybe we will have to wait a few more days and hope someone setup a league. I have notice a "Testsrv" was up tonight and racing was pretty good, except we did not as many racers as in N3. Philster

I got my copy of NASCAR LEGENDS yesterday and after installing it and spending a bit of time on some basic setups so as not to embarrass myself TOO badly, I jumped onto the multiplayer site today. I am a bit alarmed to see there was only two races held at the time, with one being a PASSWORDED race, and the other was one with the setups blocked onto what the host wanted. No problem with that second, but why aren't there more races available? Is it that not that many people have the SIM yet, or that there is something wrong, and everyone prefers to go racing online with N3?? Don

Hey Don, I've noticed the same thing. I've been in about 3 races. That's it. Let's hope that it's because people aren't hosting. Dean

>I've noticed the same thing. I've been in about 3 races. That's it. Let's >hope that it's because people aren't hosting. Maybe Sierra/Papyrus will see this as the real reason GPL tanked. Retro racing is a niche within a niche. I'm in my 30's and can much more easily appreciate it than the typical kid, and even I've already had enough of it. Bring on the modern stuff already. Tim

Wasn't that the lesson learned with GPL? :)

> > I think Nascar Legends appeals less to the casual gamer and most people. > Wasn't that the lesson learned with GPL? :) Obviously not. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Last night I had about 30 spare minutes - not enough to do any online racing (I like to finish them) - and just left the connection screen up for a while to watch for host activity. During this time there were 2 or 3 hosts that came up. They would stay up for 5-10 minutes, usually nobody would join, and they would drop off. I did see the Testserv up, too, but only a couple of people joined over the next 10 minutes or so. Yes, we need more NL users, obviously! > Hey Don, > I've noticed the same thing. I've been in about 3 races. That's it. Let's

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> hope that it's because people aren't hosting. > Dean > > I got my copy of NASCAR LEGENDS yesterday and after installing

it > > and spending a bit of time on some basic setups so as not to embarrass > > myself TOO badly, I jumped onto the multiplayer site today. > > I am a bit alarmed to see there was only two races held at the > > time, with one being a PASSWORDED race, and the other was one with the

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> > setups blocked onto what the host wanted. > > No problem with that second, but why aren't there more races > > available? > > Is it that not that many people have the SIM yet, or that there > > is something wrong, and everyone prefers to go racing online with

N3?? > > Don Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

I think it obviously was. If N3 considerably outsells NL then I think we can safely say that its not the physics engine which is putting people off NL (its the same as N3) so therefore maybe the concept of 1967 F1 cars in Grand Prix Legends was the culprit for the low sales rather than the advanced physics model. If that is the case then Ppay can promptly get to wotk on ICR3 / CART2 using the real physics engine :) -- Ian Parker UKGPL League http://members.xoom.com/ukgpl/index.html http://www.ukgpl.com -- > > > I think Nascar Legends appeals less to the casual gamer and most > people. > > Wasn't that the lesson learned with GPL? :) > Obviously not. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:48:24 -0000, "Ian Parker"

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>I think it obviously was. >If N3 considerably outsells NL then I think we can safely say that its not >the physics engine which is putting people off NL (its the same as N3) so >therefore maybe the concept of 1967 F1 cars in Grand Prix Legends was the >culprit for the low sales rather than the advanced physics model. If that is >the case then Ppay can promptly get to wotk on ICR3 / CART2 using the real >physics engine :)

Yes, but... I think offering a legends "clone" (as in *very* similar to the N3 parent game) a mere month and a half *after* the very popular parent game is not the way to go about it. If they were really trying to generate good sales for NASCAR Legends, they would have released it first, 2-3 months before NASCAR3, picking up sales from folks who weren't willing to wait that long for N3 for their NASCAR fix. Then again, if the object is to "prove" that these "legends" games are poor-selling products, Sierra marketing has done their job. :( OTOH, I do like your conclusion... :) "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

If the lesson "obviously was" learned NL would never have made it past the drawing board. I think these guys (Sierra/Papy) are still convinced that it was the "difficulty" of the sim that caused it not to sell. I agree with what you say though, hopefully when NL does a crash and burn they will wake up and give up on retro sims then promptly get to work on ICR3. Ian Parker wrote

If you check Papy's site, LEGENDS server is still in testing mode....

I have to wonder with all the instability in IRL and CART whether Papy wants to get into that can of worms, or wait till it's all sorted out before they comit some of their limited resources to ICR3. Personally even _I_ would be interested in that, tho. Gunner

I made some rounds yesterday. The local Sam's Club store had about 50 copies of N3 and several copies of just about everything Sierra's released in the past six months--but not one copy of NASCAR Legends was to be found. The local Best Buy didn't have a copy of NASCAR Legends either. I strongly suspect it's not because either store was sold out (unless maybe they didn't have but one copy to begin with). Jerry Morelock > On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:48:24 -0000, "Ian Parker" > >I think it obviously was. > >If N3 considerably outsells NL then I think we can safely say that its not > >the physics engine which is putting people off NL (its the same as N3) so > >therefore maybe the concept of 1967 F1 cars in Grand Prix Legends was the > >culprit for the low sales rather than the advanced physics model. If that is > >the case then Ppay can promptly get to wotk on ICR3 / CART2 using the real

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> >physics engine :) > Yes, but... I think offering a legends "clone" (as in *very* > similar to the N3 parent game) a mere month and a half *after* the > very popular parent game is not the way to go about it. > If they were really trying to generate good sales for NASCAR > Legends, they would have released it first, 2-3 months before NASCAR3, > picking up sales from folks who weren't willing to wait that long for > N3 for their NASCAR fix. > Then again, if the object is to "prove" that these "legends" games > are poor-selling products, Sierra marketing has done their job. :( > OTOH, I do like your conclusion... :) > "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was > nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into > a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

Had the same problem...kept hitting the local Best Buy and nada. When they checked their 'puter...there was no listing. Finally went to the nearby Fry's and they had about a doz. on the shelf. TR On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:21:50 -0500, "Jerry Morelock"

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>I made some rounds yesterday. The local Sam's Club store had about 50 >copies of N3 and several copies of just about everything Sierra's released >in the past six months--but not one copy of NASCAR Legends was to be found. >The local Best Buy didn't have a copy of NASCAR Legends either. >I strongly suspect it's not because either store was sold out (unless maybe >they didn't have but one copy to begin with). >Jerry Morelock

The real reason why NL has tanked is because people have finally realized they've been taken by Papy one too many times.....N2, N99, N3, and now NL. How many times do people want to pay for the same engine and the same crappy bugs that have been around for THREE YEARS now!!!! Greggy D.

No the problem is ppl go where the crowd is and that is N3, but with this new Kali out I think more races will form for NL -- Kevin Anderson --------------------------------------------------- DK-Racing #15 K_Anderson ------------------------------------------------- http://www.awtech.net/ [link lost in import]