I'm hoping someone can give me some advice on a very frustrating
situation. I am consistently getting black flagged in NASCAR 3 after
coming back from a caution period. Here's a typical scenario:
The caution comes out. I race back to the finish line and fall into
place behind the car in front of me. I hear "Stay behind the #X car." I
fall into place behind the #X car and wait for the green. The green
comes back and I'm told I'm black flagged for passing under yellow.
WTF??!!! This happens alot! What am I doing wrong? I've lost some races
I could've won because of this and don't recall this happening under N1,
N2, N99. Is it holding the penalty against me because I may have
inadvertently passed before I knew which car I was supposed to be
behind?
JMG
You shouldn't get black flagged as long as you get back behind #X before the
restart.... you can however get black flagged if you are ahead of a car that
is going into the pits: caution comes out, pit road opens, you stay on the
track but Snug Sipple decides to pit... as he slows and enters pit road you
get ahead of him and get told to stay behind.... meantime ol' Snug makes it
past the pit wall before you can get slowed, and you get the black for
passing under yellow...
don't know if that's what's happening to you, but I got quite a few before I
figured out where it was giving me the penalty at.....
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> You shouldn't get black flagged as long as you get back behind #X before the > restart.... you can however get black flagged if you are ahead of a car that > is going into the pits: caution comes out, pit road opens, you stay on the > track but Snug Sipple decides to pit... as he slows and enters pit road you > get ahead of him and get told to stay behind.... meantime ol' Snug makes it > past the pit wall before you can get slowed, and you get the black for > passing under yellow... > don't know if that's what's happening to you, but I got quite a few before I > figured out where it was giving me the penalty at..... > > I'm hoping someone can give me some advice on a very frustrating > > situation. I am consistently getting black flagged in NASCAR 3 after > > coming back from a caution period. Here's a typical scenario: > > The caution comes out. I race back to the finish line and fall into > > place behind the car in front of me. I hear "Stay behind the #X car." I > > fall into place behind the #X car and wait for the green. The green > > comes back and I'm told I'm black flagged for passing under yellow. > > WTF??!!! This happens alot! What am I doing wrong? I've lost some races > > I could've won because of this and don't recall this happening under N1, > > N2, N99. Is it holding the penalty against me because I may have > > inadvertently passed before I knew which car I was supposed to be > > behind? > > JMG> The other thing I've noticed that might be happening is due to the double file restarts.
This is the problem. Its a problem in NASCAR Legends as well.
This is a hold over from N2, NR1999 and is totally porked.
My solution is to not play with yellows.
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Obviously you shouldn't. DUH. But the game black flags you anyway.
i.e. feature.
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> You shouldn't get black flagged as long as you get back behind #X before
the
> restart.... you can however get black flagged if you are ahead of a car
that
> is going into the pits: caution comes out, pit road opens, you stay on
the
> track but Snug Sipple decides to pit... as he slows and enters pit road
you
> get ahead of him and get told to stay behind.... meantime ol' Snug makes
it
> past the pit wall before you can get slowed, and you get the black for
> passing under yellow...
> don't know if that's what's happening to you, but I got quite a few before
I
> figured out where it was giving me the penalty at.....
> > I'm hoping someone can give me some advice on a very frustrating
> > situation. I am consistently getting black flagged in NASCAR 3 after
> > coming back from a caution period. Here's a typical scenario:
> > The caution comes out. I race back to the finish line and fall into
> > place behind the car in front of me. I hear "Stay behind the #X car." I
> > fall into place behind the #X car and wait for the green. The green
> > comes back and I'm told I'm black flagged for passing under yellow.
> > WTF??!!! This happens alot! What am I doing wrong? I've lost some races
> > I could've won because of this and don't recall this happening under N1,
> > N2, N99. Is it holding the penalty against me because I may have
> > inadvertently passed before I knew which car I was supposed to be
> > behind?
> > JMG
I see a patch coming up...
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> > The other thing I've noticed that might be happening is due to the
double file restarts.
> I see a patch coming up...
Really. How do you figure that?
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Oh you know too many bugs, people complaining, the fact that I'm testing the
beta...
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Sure. Are you actually implying that this is going to be fixed?
It was in N2 and NR1999 and now has been leeched into N3.
I have no faith that the yellow/black flag/double file restart will
be fixed.
If you have info to the contrary I am sure more people that myself
would be interested.
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> Oh you know too many bugs, people complaining, the fact that I'm testing
the
> beta...
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> DP-MAX Computers
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> http://www.beorocket.co.yu/
> > > I see a patch coming up...
> > Really. How do you figure that?
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No Greg I was just kidding (I'm not testing anything...) and you're right
small chances to fix something now if they didn't for pass 6 years...
But a patch is bound to be made...
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>No Greg I was just kidding (I'm not testing anything...) and you're right
>small chances to fix something now if they didn't for pass 6 years...
That's a shame because this game is seriously ***ed up as regards black
flags. I am so pissed and I know now that's it's not my driving. I was just
racing at Martinsville, where the pit speed is 35. I had to pit so I slowed
to 25 mph on the back straight, paused the game, turned on autobraking, and
went to my pit stall, STAYING UNDER 35 MPH UNTIL I STOPPED. I did my pit
thing and took off. The autobrake kept me at 35 mph until my spotter told me
I was clear of pit road, at which point the car began accelerating. Now how
did I feel confident about what was going to happen next? You got it. I was
black flagged for speeding on pit road. What????!!!!!! Where the hell did I
speed. I said to myself, "Self, this is bullshit, but we can still clobber
these other bums, so we'll honor the penalty." I came to a complete stop on
the back straight, i.e. 0 MPFH, and crept into my pit stall while the field
continued to race around me. I served my penalty and repeated the above,
again using the autobrake to keep me within pit speed limit. And I was given
another black flag for speeding on pit road!!!!! How can this game's code
be so flawed after years of releases? And it's not limited to any specific
track. How does everybody else deal with this ***short of throwing their
wheel through the monitor?
JMG
Hehe, gonna tell you what the problem is: make sure you don't pass the
PACECAR driving through pitroad until crossing the line!
Mea***er
When I play N3, the Auto-Brake option does not keep me under the limit on
pit road. It did in N2, but not N3.
Luke
> >No Greg I was just kidding (I'm not testing anything...) and you're right
> >small chances to fix something now if they didn't for pass 6 years...
> That's a shame because this game is seriously ***ed up as regards black
> flags. I am so pissed and I know now that's it's not my driving. I was just
> racing at Martinsville, where the pit speed is 35. I had to pit so I slowed
> to 25 mph on the back straight, paused the game, turned on autobraking, and
> went to my pit stall, STAYING UNDER 35 MPH UNTIL I STOPPED. I did my pit
> thing and took off. The autobrake kept me at 35 mph until my spotter told me
> I was clear of pit road, at which point the car began accelerating. Now how
> did I feel confident about what was going to happen next? You got it. I was
> black flagged for speeding on pit road. What????!!!!!! Where the hell did I
> speed. I said to myself, "Self, this is bullshit, but we can still clobber
> these other bums, so we'll honor the penalty." I came to a complete stop on
> the back straight, i.e. 0 MPFH, and crept into my pit stall while the field
> continued to race around me. I served my penalty and repeated the above,
> again using the autobrake to keep me within pit speed limit. And I was given
> another black flag for speeding on pit road!!!!! How can this game's code
> be so flawed after years of releases? And it's not limited to any specific
> track. How does everybody else deal with this ***short of throwing their
> wheel through the monitor?
> JMG
> Hehe, gonna tell you what the problem is: make sure you don't pass the
> PACECAR driving through pitroad until crossing the line!
> Mea***er
Do you mean the stationary pace car? I have a couple of reasons why I
think people get black flagged on pit stops when it doesn't appear that
they should:
1) When you punch the accelerator to leave your pit stall, your RPMs/MPH
may surge above the pit speed. This may be seen as a speeding violation.
2) Your spotter is wrong when he tells you you're clear of pit road. I've
tried maintaining pit speed until I'm actually back out on the track and
I've avoided black flags. Unfortunately, this really gets you off the
pace, especially if you've been forced to make a green flag stop.
JMG
How do you autobrake!? I thought that N3 has no such option? anyway I never
experienced problems with the black flag... only bug that bothered me more
than once is when I load the saved game my car crashes for no reason...
> >No Greg I was just kidding (I'm not testing anything...) and you're right
> >small chances to fix something now if they didn't for pass 6 years...
> That's a shame because this game is seriously ***ed up as regards black
> flags. I am so pissed and I know now that's it's not my driving. I was just
> racing at Martinsville, where the pit speed is 35. I had to pit so I slowed
> to 25 mph on the back straight, paused the game, turned on autobraking, and
> went to my pit stall, STAYING UNDER 35 MPH UNTIL I STOPPED. I did my pit
> thing and took off. The autobrake kept me at 35 mph until my spotter told me
> I was clear of pit road, at which point the car began accelerating. Now how
> did I feel confident about what was going to happen next? You got it. I was
> black flagged for speeding on pit road. What????!!!!!! Where the hell did I
> speed. I said to myself, "Self, this is bullshit, but we can still clobber
> these other bums, so we'll honor the penalty." I came to a complete stop on
> the back straight, i.e. 0 MPFH, and crept into my pit stall while the field
> continued to race around me. I served my penalty and repeated the above,
> again using the autobrake to keep me within pit speed limit. And I was given
> another black flag for speeding on pit road!!!!! How can this game's code
> be so flawed after years of releases? And it's not limited to any specific
> track. How does everybody else deal with this ***short of throwing their
> wheel through the monitor?
> JMG
Jeff, you are right.....this sim, as we all know, is ***ed up beyond
belief. And to think they've gotten my money 3 times (N2,N99,N3....but not
NL hahahaha) The bugs will never be fixed and a patch will never be
released. And to think that people actually deny the existence of any bugs
and*** Papy's rear. If you spend any amount of time with the Nascar sims,
you will get bent over and ass crammed without KY. It's a certainty.
> >No Greg I was just kidding (I'm not testing anything...) and you're right
> >small chances to fix something now if they didn't for pass 6 years...
> That's a shame because this game is seriously ***ed up as regards black
> flags. I am so pissed and I know now that's it's not my driving. I was just
> racing at Martinsville, where the pit speed is 35. I had to pit so I slowed
> to 25 mph on the back straight, paused the game, turned on autobraking, and
> went to my pit stall, STAYING UNDER 35 MPH UNTIL I STOPPED. I did my pit
> thing and took off. The autobrake kept me at 35 mph until my spotter told me
> I was clear of pit road, at which point the car began accelerating. Now how
> did I feel confident about what was going to happen next? You got it. I was
> black flagged for speeding on pit road. What????!!!!!! Where the hell did I
> speed. I said to myself, "Self, this is bullshit, but we can still clobber
> these other bums, so we'll honor the penalty." I came to a complete stop on
> the back straight, i.e. 0 MPFH, and crept into my pit stall while the field
> continued to race around me. I served my penalty and repeated the above,
> again using the autobrake to keep me within pit speed limit. And I was given
> another black flag for speeding on pit road!!!!! How can this game's code
> be so flawed after years of releases? And it's not limited to any specific
> track. How does everybody else deal with this ***short of throwing their
> wheel through the monitor?
> JMG
It *is* possible to get black flagged for speeding
in the pits with auto brake on. The auto brake
feature isn't intended to keep you from getting
black flags on pit road. It's intended to help
people learning the game to have brake
assistance in the corners. This is one of the
reasons we removed the toggle capability from
within a race.
As far as getting black flagged when you are sure
you kept under the pit road speed limit, it looks
like you are probably speeding up just a tad early.
Pit road ends with the front end of the pace car.
If you speed up prior to that, you're going to get a
black flag. If the pace car isn't in it's stall, a good
indicator of the end of pit road would be the spotter,
or where the inside wall changes height. (if you
don't trust the spotter)
I'd like to look at a clipped replay of a bogus
black flag for speeding in the pits if I've missed
something here.
Shawn Wise / Papyrus
Hmmm, this reminds me of a SASCAR race on TEN. After a yellow flag pitstop
and taking the green for a restart, I was following Shawn going into turn 1
but he wasn't getting up to speed as quickly as everyone else. I was
wondering what was going on but didn't want to risk taking him out so I
stayed behind him for another half lap. Finally with cars bunched up behind
me, I had to go by along with a whole string of cars. Another lap later and
a chat message appeared with something like: "Darn Alt B", which of course
came from Shawn. LOL
I know I've left it on coming out of the pits and forgot about it. Maybe
this is why that option is taken away, Shawn doesn't want this to happen
again. <G>
Actually, this is more realistic, no more rev limiting "cheats" that the
real drivers don't have. Now where did I put those instructions for making
the speed limit button...
Bill
