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I'm still wondering how come Papy has not put a career mode in any of it's sims. (I've heard VR has one, but I haven't played it) Can any Papy workers tell me why? -The Dude? Check out The Dude's radio show on 90.9 FM Indianapolis, B91.

> I'm still wondering how come Papy has not put a career mode in any of it's > sims. (I've heard VR has one, but I haven't played it) Can any Papy workers > tell me why? > -The Dude? > Check out The Dude's radio show on 90.9 FM Indianapolis, B91. You couldn't call it a Sim any more. You would have to call it a Game. -- ========================================= Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing? ========================================= http://members.xoom.com/BarlowRacing/ Racing online with the help of...... Race Communications Association Holodyne Engineering Mystic Music (have Your !!Name/Address!! placed here)

First of all Ed, like I said, I was told VR had one, but I was also told that since I don't have a 3d card, that I shouldn't even bother buying it... -The Dude? Check out The Dude's radio show on 90.9 FM Indianapolis, B91. Goodbye Greg, you will be missed. Greg Moore, #99 forever.

Wouldn't you consider the championship seasons in many sims equivalent to the career mode in sims like VR and SCGT? The only real difference is you don't earn money towards purchasing upgrades, then again drivers of WC, Cart and F1 don't purchase upgrades in real life so why should a sim simulate something that is not real? Paul > I'm still wondering how come Papy has not put a career mode in any of it's > sims. (I've heard VR has one, but I haven't played it) Can any Papy workers > tell me why? > -The Dude? > Check out The Dude's radio show on 90.9 FM Indianapolis, B91.

Papy didn't write Viper Racing, they bought it and it was distributed by Scierrya. JM

: On 02 Nov 1999 22:18:40 GMT, :>I'm still wondering how come Papy has not put a career mode in any of it's :>sims. (I've heard VR has one, but I haven't played it) : Viper has a career mode, but since you didn't bother to : buy it, 'The Dude', I guess they gave up on the idea. Oh c'mon. Sounds like he has faithfully supported Papyrus products. The fact that he didn't buy a sim *produced by MGI* should not have a bearing on whether or not *Papyrus* "gave up on the idea". nice try at being humourous, but it was spoiled by inaccuracy. It's a valid point - why not a career mode? Why not a "get yourself out of this situation" mode like in Monaco Grand Prix. Stephen

: Wouldn't you consider the championship seasons in many sims equivalent to the : career mode in sims like VR and SCGT? The only real difference is you don't : earn money towards purchasing upgrades, then again drivers of WC, Cart and F1 : don't purchase upgrades in real life so why should a sim simulate something that : is not real? Paul I'm still waiting for the "great convergence" of sims and team management software. Maybe Microprose will do this with their ambitious FIA license. It would be fun to drive for a team, but also manage the team. The driver's results determine sponsorship to some degree, if I wreck, then it's more costs to bear, if the team can't develop the car properly, the driver suffers. Of course, at the end of the season I would probably want to fire myself, as I never finish above top ten in GPL. Stephen

: Papy didn't write Viper Racing, they bought it and it was distributed by : Scierrya. : JM I don't think Papyrus is in the picture at all. MGI is a company with some ex Papyrus people, but I think it was a straight developer-publisher deal between MGI and Sierra. Stephen

Hi, It seems, for me, that VPR physics model and GPL physics model look alike, with differents car set ( weight, hp etc.. )

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> : Papy didn't write Viper Racing, they bought it and it was distributed by > : Scierrya. > : JM > I don't think Papyrus is in the picture at all. MGI is a company with > some ex Papyrus people, but I think it was a straight developer-publisher > deal between MGI and Sierra. > Stephen

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I can play GP2 quite well in SVGA mode, I can also play N3, ICR2, and NL. -The Dude? Check out The Dude's radio show on 90.9 FM Indianapolis, B91. Goodbye Greg, you will be missed. Greg Moore, #99 forever.

LOL...this is absolutely hilarious. Well Ed, I bought ICR2 the day it came out, I bought N2 a week after it came out, but held off because I couldn't play it on my old 'puter, then after a new computer, and quite a bit of months, I picked up GPL which didn't run fast, but was fun...then it was SODA off of Ebay, and of course there was NR99 after that, N3 about a month ago, and NL on Saturday. So Ed, why don't you ask a question instead of assuming. Whenever Papy/Sierra puts out a racing sim I WANT, I'll buy it, but because I didn't pick up VPR means nothing. I'm quite happy with SCGT. A troll? No...I'm actually a very loyal Papy customer. (SCGT is the only non-papy racing sim I own) So Ed, why don't you get off this high horse your on...I asked a simple, good question. Hell, Nascar Manager was supposed to have everything I wanted, but that was shelved about a year ago. It's a valid question... -The Dude? Check out The Dude's radio show on 90.9 FM Indianapolis, B91. Goodbye Greg, you will be missed. Greg Moore, #99 forever.

I forgot, I have GP2. That's two non-Papy sims. -The Dude? Check out The Dude's radio show on 90.9 FM Indianapolis, B91. Goodbye Greg, you will be missed. Greg Moore, #99 forever.

: On 3 Nov 1999 07:48:39 GMT, :>: On 02 Nov 1999 22:18:40 GMT, :> :>:>I'm still wondering how come Papy has not put a career mode in any of it's :>:>sims. (I've heard VR has one, but I haven't played it) :> :>: Viper has a career mode, but since you didn't bother to :>: buy it, 'The Dude', I guess they gave up on the idea. :> :>Oh c'mon. Sounds like he has faithfully supported Papyrus products. :> : If he has 'supported Papyrus products', he said he has done it : without a 3D card. I wonder how they perform for him? LOL! : Face it, this guy is a wannabe troll and it didn't work. Except on you. Well, I thought the original question was valid, and certainly not a troll. I also run most of the Papyrus sims (pre GPL) on my old P166 notebook when I travel, and the performance is fine (everyone has their own requirements - I just can half the textures to get 25-30fps, it's nice enough for when I'm on the road). By the way, Ed, looks like I fell out of your killfile :) Should I remind you: I made the mistake of assuming you were responding to someone who was in your big bad killfile. You responded (ever so eloquently) that once someone goes into your killfile, they *stay* there, they *never* come out, and by god they are buried. For my small indiscretion, I received a frighteningly loud *plonk*, which is rather a shame, as I often enjoy your comments on topics that we both discuss in this forum. It's a shame you missed my response: ----- :>Maybe someone can explain this whole "plonk" thing to me again, but I :>assumed it was the sound of a newbie dropping into a kill file. : See you haven't any idea what a killfile or a plonk is. It has : NADA to do with being a newbie. Well, I would argue that the majority of offensive posts which lead to the implementation of a killfile come from USENET newbies, but that's beside the point. The point being, in this case, that I made a mistake here. You're right, you have integrity in your use of the killfile. An honest mistake on my part in sifting through the thread. Allow me to humbly apologize and retract my statement. : Otherwise, shut the f**k up. Thank you for your restraint. Stephen ----- Nevertheless, here I am again. Back in the file for me? On the one hand, logic dictates that you must, to save face and maintain the integrity of your sacred killfile. On the other hand, it would be a shame to kill some good discussion over one extremely light-hearted comment (surely you're not that thin skinned) which was retracted. Stephen

Like he said Ed ....why no career mode in PAPY sims???? PAPY did NOT make VR. Doug Straley

So you purchased just about every sim that has come out in the last few years but VR and the reason you did not buy it was you did not have a 3D card???? Now that makes a lot of sense. Paul

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> > (SCGT is the only non-papy racing sim I > >own) > I forgot, I have GP2. That's two non-Papy sims. > -The Dude? > Check out The Dude's radio show on 90.9 FM Indianapolis, B91. > Goodbye Greg, you will be missed. > Greg Moore, #99 forever.

It looks like he just wanted to know why they didn't put career mode in their games. If there was a specific reason then I would like to know also. Back off a bit. JB

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> On 3 Nov 1999 07:48:39 GMT, > >: On 02 Nov 1999 22:18:40 GMT, > >:>I'm still wondering how come Papy has not put a career mode in any of

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> >:>sims. (I've heard VR has one, but I haven't played it) > >: Viper has a career mode, but since you didn't bother to > >: buy it, 'The Dude', I guess they gave up on the idea. > >Oh c'mon. Sounds like he has faithfully supported Papyrus products. > If he has 'supported Papyrus products', he said he has done it > without a 3D card. I wonder how they perform for him? LOL! > Face it, this guy is a wannabe troll and it didn't work. Except on you. > -- > * rrevved at mindspring dot com > * http://www.cabal.net

Why does it not make sense? All the games he mentioned seem to run quite fine without a 3d card. Who cares what games people buy? I bought F1RS and shelved it a day later. I bought Viper, shelved it, then came back to it. I bought Half-Life, shelved it. So if I buy a game, does that make me good? I didn't buy Nascar 3 or NL. Does that make me a bad person? Just because someone decides not to buy a game, whatever the reasons, why does it matter? The guy asked a question about why Papy sims don't have a career mode and he gets flamed for it...He said he plays SCGT, that has career mode so he could have a similar experience with that as he could have with Viper. And The Dude...I don't know why Papy didn't put in a career mode but it seems like a lot of people like to just buy a game and race the best cars on any track they want and jump right in instead of having to be limited by a career mode so I bet they left it out because it wasn't worth the effort. JB

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> So you purchased just about every sim that has come out in the last few > years but VR and the reason you did not buy it was you did not have a 3D > card???? Now that makes a lot of sense. Paul > > > (SCGT is the only non-papy racing sim I > > >own) > > I forgot, I have GP2. That's two non-Papy sims. > > -The Dude? > > Check out The Dude's radio show on 90.9 FM Indianapolis, B91. > > Goodbye Greg, you will be missed. > > Greg Moore, #99 forever.

hear hear! plonking myself, now . . . DK (! K N O L P)

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> Nevertheless, here I am again. Back in the file for me? On the one hand, > logic dictates that you must, to save face and maintain the integrity of > your sacred killfile. On the other hand, it would be a shame to kill some > good discussion over one extremely light-hearted comment (surely you're > not that thin skinned) which was retracted. > Stephen

What would be interesting would be a package that allowed for the creation of internet-based, true teams, a package that, while restricting car development to preset parameters (a la the, well, flexible FIA), would allow interent-based teams to compete, test, develop over virtual seasons. A marketing nightmare, I suppose, but an interesting concept. DK

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> I'm still waiting for the "great convergence" of sims and team management > software. Maybe Microprose will do this with their ambitious FIA license. > It would be fun to drive for a team, but also manage the team. The > driver's results determine sponsorship to some degree, if I wreck, then > it's more costs to bear, if the team can't develop the car properly, the > driver suffers. Of course, at the end of the season I would probably want > to fire myself, as I never finish above top ten in GPL. > Stephen

NP Ed

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> On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:22:52 -0500, > >Back off a bit. > No, 'Supaman'. > -- > * rrevved at mindspring dot com > * http://www.cabal.net

I just wasn't interested in VPR. I'm sorry, I didn't know I'd get crucified for it, or I would have popped the $50. -The Dude? Check out The Dude's radio show on 90.9 FM Indianapolis, B91. Goodbye Greg, you will be missed. Greg Moore, #99 forever.

$50!!!!!The game was $19.95 when it came out. Go buy it now you can pick it up for $9.95 in some stores. I sure as hell was not crucifying for not buying it, just couldn't understand your logic about not buying it because you had no 3D card

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> >So you purchased just about every sim that has come out in the last few > >years but VR and the reason you did not buy it was you did not have a 3D > >card???? Now that makes a lot of sense. > I just wasn't interested in VPR. I'm sorry, I didn't know I'd get crucified > for it, or I would have popped the $50. > -The Dude? > Check out The Dude's radio show on 90.9 FM Indianapolis, B91. > Goodbye Greg, you will be missed. > Greg Moore, #99 forever.

: What would be interesting would be a package that allowed for the creation : of internet-based, true teams, a package that, while restricting car : development to preset parameters (a la the, well, flexible FIA), would allow : interent-based teams to compete, test, develop over virtual seasons. : A marketing nightmare, I suppose, but an interesting concept. Would it also come with a FIA tribunal? Stephen :> I'm still waiting for the "great convergence" of sims and team management :> software. Maybe Microprose will do this with their ambitious FIA license. :> It would be fun to drive for a team, but also manage the team. The :> driver's results determine sponsorship to some degree, if I wreck, then :> it's more costs to bear, if the team can't develop the car properly, the :> driver suffers. Of course, at the end of the season I would probably want :> to fire myself, as I never finish above top ten in GPL. :> :> Stephen :>

As I posted in a previous post on this thread, it didn't really interest me either. I'm not going to buy a game strickly for the career mode. If Papy/Sierra would apply it to a sim I want to buy, I'd be in heaven. -The Dude? Check out The Dude's radio show on 90.9 FM Indianapolis, B91. Goodbye Greg, you will be missed. Greg Moore, #99 forever.

writes Well my view of a career mode would be one where you start out being hired by one of the lesser teams with a contract of x years and then, depending upon your performances during the season - including how many times you wreck their cars - then maybe they'll stick with you, or one of the other, better teams will become interested and want to take you on. Nothing to do with earning money and buying upgrades. >> I'm still wondering how come Papy has not put a career mode in any of it's >> sims. (I've heard VR has one, but I haven't played it) Can any Papy workers >> tell me why? >> -The Dude? >> Check out The Dude's radio show on 90.9 FM Indianapolis, B91. -- Peter Ives

Ha! Yes, but you could enter a cheat code (a la SCGT) to get a few million to toss their way . . . and a virtual Beanie Bernie ! DK > : What would be interesting would be a package that allowed for the creation > : of internet-based, true teams, a package that, while restricting car > : development to preset parameters (a la the, well, flexible FIA), would allow > : interent-based teams to compete, test, develop over virtual seasons. > : A marketing nightmare, I suppose, but an interesting concept. > Would it also come with a FIA tribunal? > Stephen

I agree. A bit like the F1 career utility that came out earlier this year. -The Dude? Check out The Dude's radio show on 90.9 FM Indianapolis, B91. Goodbye Greg, you will be missed. Greg Moore, #99 forever.