Grand Prix movie and a wheel question.

Hey, just sitting here watching Grand Prix. Just a gew questions... Was the movie shot during the GP? If so, were some of the shots like the helicopter view in Monaco and the overhead shots from Spa real coverage? To me the incar shots looked too slow. I mean, the cars were going through the Kink in Spa without having to lift at all. And what was the deal with Gragham Hill? Was that just a look alike that played him or was it him. The chap hadn't said a word all movie. At least I think it was suposed to be Hill, from the mustache and some photos I have seen of him. Anyway, the dang movie got me e***d about GPL again. Recently I have abandoned it a bit since GSB wont work for me no matter what I try. Plus my TM Spring has gone to the dogs. It jumps all over the place when I move it just a tad. GP will probably make me want to race enough to shell out for a TSW> Well, maybe I am not that crazy, but what are some of the recommendations for a wheel? I am thinking one in the $100-150 range. What I am looking for, first and foremost, is precision. The more precise the better. But FF wouldnt hurt either. Any recommendations?

I should also add that I have Win95 so no USB wheels for me.

The overhead shots are from the 66' season. All the in car shots are F3s that were redone via hollywood to look like F1s. That was the man. Joel Willstein

>Hey, just sitting here watching Grand Prix. Just a gew questions... >Was the movie shot during the GP? If so, were some of the shots like >the helicopter view in Monaco and the overhead shots from Spa real >coverage? To me the incar shots looked too slow. I mean, the cars were >going through the Kink in Spa without having to lift at all. Parts of the film were shot during during GP weekends, mostly backround and crowd shots. All of the in-car and car to car shots were setup shots filmed with cast-off F1 cars and rebodied F2 chassis. Garner did much of his own driving, much to the dismay of his insurance company, while Brian Bedford was terribly afraid of the cars. The majority of his in-car shots were done by towing the car around a circuit behind a camera truck or with a stunt driver, notice he always drove with his face covered, it could have been anyone in his car<g>. Not only is Graham Hill in the film but there are many other GP drivers of the era sprinkled throughout the picture. A partial list includes, Phil Hill, Amon, Bandini, Beltois, Bondurandt, Bonnier, Brabham, Fangio, Farina, Gurney, Ginther, Hulme, Farina, Ligier, Rindt, McLaren, Parkes, Pillete, Revson, Scarfiotti, Schlesser and Siffert. I have to recommend the Logitech wheel only because I've used one daily for a year now with absolutely no problems. I have replaced the pedals and no longer use the Profiler software from Logitech. I stopped using the profiler last weekend and won 3 races in a row at Monza against the AI cars, something I've never been able to do with GPL. Even after using DXTweak to eliminate the the Windows deadzone, I found that there was still some vagueness in the steering with the Profiler enabled. As soon as I shut it off, the little bit of sloppiness in the steering was eliminated and I was finally able to feel the car and place it where I wanted it to be on the track. I've dropped my PBLs by at least a full second at each track I've visited this week<g>. Good luck with which ever wheel you decide to get and keep practicing! don [|]-(_)-[|]

Jim Garner formed AIR (American International Racing) shortly after the movie, and co-drove a Lola T-70 Coupe at either Sebring, Daytona or both. Later, he confined his competition to off-road stuff, but ran a Formula 50000 team under the banner of AIR, with Scooter Patrick as driver (not very successfully). In 1969, Garner's production company made a documentary about their F5000 season, titled "The Racing Scene" -- it's shown quite often on Speedvision. Jim Russell (ex F2 driver and founder of the eponymous drivers' schools, of course) provided the cars (mostly tarted-up F3s) for the movie "Grand Prix", as well as all the racing vehicle maintenance and the driver training. Russell judged Garner as quite good, and felt that if he would only give up the silly movie business, he could have developed into a quite competent driver. Yves Montand, Russell thought, was fair. Brian Bedford was terrified and terrifying, but worst of all, in Russell's estimation, was Antonio Sbato: after the first session, Russell refused to let him into any of the cars again, usually handling Sbato's driving stints himself; he often did Bedford's as well. My favorite "real driver" turn in the movie is the droll performance by Graham Hill as the cleverly named "Bob Turner," whose matronly tut-tutting over the dismal infidelities of Jessica Walter are pure comedic art... Little remembered is the fact that the movie won 3 Academy Awards: Best Sound, Best Sound Effects, and Best Film Editing. I first saw it on my "honeymoon," which consisted of my new bride and I joining several friends at the drive-in (!) to smoke dope and watch this fabulous movie. Ah, sweet bird of youth... Bart

When US Speedvision showed the film in it's letterboxed version, there was a 1/2 hour program preceding it, made up mainly of interviews with James Garner. IIRC (I may actually have the tape still, if you are interested I could look around) the cars that you see "racing" were formula fords? or something with modified bodywork to appear more like GP cars. The "Drivers" were seated in car chassis that were mounted on a lazy-susan type device that allowed them to be rotated horizontally (to give a more realistic sense of movement) behind the tow/camera car.(Which is the method of choice for driver close-ups always. Never trust an actor to act AND drive at the same time...) Incidentally, the director of the film said that James Garner was one of the few of the actors who was actually capable of driving the cars at all, the rest were quite hopeless, apparently. Now I have to see if I've got the tape, I'm curious as well.

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> Hey, just sitting here watching Grand Prix. Just a gew questions... > Was the movie shot during the GP? If so, were some of the shots like > the helicopter view in Monaco and the overhead shots from Spa real > coverage? To me the incar shots looked too slow. I mean, the cars were > going through the Kink in Spa without having to lift at all. > And what was the deal with Gragham Hill? Was that just a look alike > that played him or was it him. The chap hadn't said a word all movie. > At least I think it was suposed to be Hill, from the mustache and some > photos I have seen of him. > Anyway, the dang movie got me e***d about GPL again. Recently I have > abandoned it a bit since GSB wont work for me no matter what I try. > Plus my TM Spring has gone to the dogs. It jumps all over the place > when I move it just a tad. GP will probably make me want to race > enough to shell out for a TSW> Well, maybe I am not that crazy, but > what are some of the recommendations for a wheel? I am thinking one in > the $100-150 range. What I am looking for, first and foremost, is > precision. The more precise the better. But FF wouldnt hurt either. > Any recommendations?

-- \\|// | --James-- | | --ICQ# 36334509-- | | | | Diplomacy is the art of saying "nice doggy" |

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> When US Speedvision showed the film in it's letterboxed version, there > was a 1/2 hour program preceding it, made up mainly of interviews with > James Garner. IIRC (I may actually have the tape still, if you are > interested I could look around) the cars that you see "racing" were > formula fords? or something with modified bodywork to appear more like > GP cars. The "Drivers" were seated in car chassis that were mounted on a > lazy-susan type device that allowed them to be rotated horizontally (to > give a more realistic sense of movement) behind the tow/camera > car.(Which is the method of choice for driver close-ups always. Never > trust an actor to act AND drive at the same time...) > Incidentally, the director of the film said that James Garner was one of > the few of the actors who was actually capable of driving the cars at > all, the rest were quite hopeless, apparently. > Now I have to see if I've got the tape, I'm curious as well.

Right, I've looked at the tape a bit, and the actors DID drive the cars with camera's fixed to the front looking rearward, but at a very slow rate of speed. The dolly was used to shoot the spins and accident sequences. As far as if the overhead shots go, I'll have to look further into the tape.

Carroll Shelby brought Jim Russel in to build the cars, 20-odd Formula 3's (right Joel) and make them look like the appropriate teams' F1 cars. The film was allowed 15 minutes of track time prior to the practice session, during which time they shot all the driving/crowd interaction. Apparently after filming at Monte-Carlo, the director, John Frankenheimer cut a 30 minute teaser together and showed it to Enzo Ferrari, who had previously wanted nothing to do with the film, subsequent to Enzo seeing the teaser, he offered up the full support of the team and factory! For free no less! The interesting thing in the "Making of Grand-Prix" documentary though is seeing Jim Garner circa 1998 describing how he was able to "get away from" Jochen Rindt who was driving the car behind him, and Jim claims all this was done with a camera mounted on the front of his car (Which at that time would have been no small amount of weight). Jim claims Jochen told him months after the fact that he had been unable to catch him! Makes you wonder... BTW Darek, try spraying some electrical contact cleaner into the pots on your TM wheel and moving the levers, wheel vigorously, they get dirty easily and will produce erratic results when moved even slightly (I believe these are called "spikes"), maybe your springs are ok?

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> Hey, just sitting here watching Grand Prix. Just a gew questions... > Was the movie shot during the GP? If so, were some of the shots like > the helicopter view in Monaco and the overhead shots from Spa real > coverage? To me the incar shots looked too slow. I mean, the cars were > going through the Kink in Spa without having to lift at all. > And what was the deal with Gragham Hill? Was that just a look alike > that played him or was it him. The chap hadn't said a word all movie. > At least I think it was suposed to be Hill, from the mustache and some > photos I have seen of him. > Anyway, the dang movie got me e***d about GPL again. Recently I have > abandoned it a bit since GSB wont work for me no matter what I try. > Plus my TM Spring has gone to the dogs. It jumps all over the place > when I move it just a tad. GP will probably make me want to race > enough to shell out for a TSW> Well, maybe I am not that crazy, but > what are some of the recommendations for a wheel? I am thinking one in > the $100-150 range. What I am looking for, first and foremost, is > precision. The more precise the better. But FF wouldnt hurt either. > Any recommendations?

-- \\|// | --James-- | | --ICQ# 36334509-- | | | | Diplomacy is the art of saying "nice doggy" |

> And what was the deal with Gragham Hill? Was that just a look alike > that played him or was it him. The chap hadn't said a word all movie. > At least I think it was suposed to be Hill, from the mustache and some > photos I have seen of him. Neither. It was the real Graham Hill playing the fictitious Bob Turner! Phil Hill also has a speaking roll as Pete Aron's teammate, Tim Randolph, at Yamura, in addition to driving the camera car. Dave -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing *****************************************************

The production crew bought a fleet of Formula Junior cars and made them look a bit more like F1 cars. Although apparently Masta was flat in a good F1 car back then, but... It's him. Also you can spot Clark, McLaren, Ginther and a few others in there too. The meeting at Spa is a good place to see. -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

Most of the on-track footage was shot from cameras mounted in the front decks of Ford GT MkIIs -- I several photos from Watkins Glen showing Frankenheimer and the cars -- but Phil Hill was allowed to run a camera car in two of the races (well, almost): he had a Lotus 25-Climax F1 car (talk about vintage racing!) for Monaco -- he ran it in practice but it was a DNS for the race itself. At Spa, Phil actually ran a clapped-out F2 McLaren M3A-Ford camera car, but it retired pretty quickly. Frankenheimer, who was particularly attracted to accidents, got a real break during the 1966 running of Spa, as it was one of the most accident-filled races in GP history. All those aerial shots showing cars *** half over embankments and spun around in the middle of the road are of the real race. ALL the distance shots are the real thing -- that's why they did the names and helmets as they did: Jean-Pierre Sarti (John Surtees) same white helmet with thin blue stripes), Pete Aron (Chris Amon) same white helmet with red/white/blue scallop, Scott Stoddard (Jackie Stewart -- Scot, get it?), white helmet with tartan band -- without spooling up one of my copies, I forget who Antonio Sbato was supposed to be: Bandini, I guess, as Ferrari's only other factory drivers in '66 were Parkes (white helmet with red/white diagonals in band) and Scarfiotti (who knows). One of my favorite stories about the movie is the one Graham Hill told about seeing a private screening of the rough cut -- at one point, in the midst of a crash scene, Hill instinctively ducked down into his theatre seat, to the amu***t of the other drivers watching the screening. If you have Speedvision, watch for them to re-run their "Grand Prix" Special Edition, which, as James has mentioned, is intercut with interviews and behind the scenes footage -- totally cool... BB

> <snip> > I forget who Antonio > Sbato was supposed to be: Bandini, I guess, as Ferrari's only other > factory drivers in '66 were Parkes (white helmet with red/white > diagonals in band) and Scarfiotti (who knows). > <snip> I do! There is a great picture of Ludovico Scarfiotti in Automobile Year Nbr.14 page 197 on his way to winning the 1966 Italian Grand Prix at Monza - it was all white, but in this case looks to have alot of racing grime on the front of it. chris r

Thanks, Chris -- I'm slowly trying to build up my collection of Automobile Year (through the 50s and 60s THE BEST annual by far), but I don't have that one -- I have found some other pictures of "LuLu" with that same grotty old whitehelmet. With all the shiny, scrubbed Jeff-Gordon-Wannabees in every sector of motorsports, it sure is refreshing to look back at the battle-scarred and begrimed campaigners of yore: Behra with his sun-creased face and the ever-present cigarette *** from his lip, DePortago with his languid regal slouch, raccoon-eyed from the clean spot left by his goggles, Trintignant with his *** old lucky wool cap...hell, they wouldn't let the ***s into the paddock in these antiseptic and soulless days... BB > There is a great picture of Ludovico Scarfiotti > in Automobile Year Nbr.14 page 197 on his way to winning > the 1966 Italian Grand Prix at Monza - it was all white, > but in this case looks to have alot of racing grime on the > front of it. > chris r

An item often forgotten is that Grand Prix was done in the three projector CINERAMA format. Think the screen wrapped 120 degrees. No kidding. The banking segments I still recall vividly - on that large screen, the motion was intense. Gimmicky, but when the alignment of the three projectors overlapped correctly, it was sensational. Also if my memory recalls it correctly, it was also the first "split-screen" cinematography ever done. I still have the original movie program showing the in-car driver camera setup, and many other great photos about the movie production. Anyone else see the original in CINERAMA?

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| | >Hey, just sitting here watching Grand Prix. Just a gew questions... | > | >Was the movie shot during the GP? If so, were some of the shots like | >the helicopter view in Monaco and the overhead shots from Spa real | >coverage? To me the incar shots looked too slow. I mean, the cars were | >going through the Kink in Spa without having to lift at all. | | Parts of the film were shot during during GP weekends, mostly backround

and | crowd shots. All of the in-car and car to car shots were setup shots filmed | with cast-off F1 cars and rebodied F2 chassis. Garner did much of his own | driving, much to the dismay of his insurance company, while Brian Bedford | was terribly afraid of the cars. The majority of his in-car shots were done

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| by towing the car around a circuit behind a camera truck or with a stunt | driver, notice he always drove with his face covered, it could have been | anyone in his car<g>. | | >And what was the deal with Gragham Hill? Was that just a look alike | >that played him or was it him. The chap hadn't said a word all movie. | >At least I think it was suposed to be Hill, from the mustache and some | >photos I have seen of him. | | Not only is Graham Hill in the film but there are many other GP drivers of | the era sprinkled throughout the picture. A partial list includes, Phil | Hill, Amon, Bandini, Beltois, Bondurandt, Bonnier, Brabham, Fangio,

Farina,

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| Gurney, Ginther, Hulme, Farina, Ligier, Rindt, McLaren, Parkes, Pillete, | Revson, Scarfiotti, Schlesser and Siffert. | | | >Anyway, the dang movie got me e***d about GPL again. Recently I have | >abandoned it a bit since GSB wont work for me no matter what I try. | >Plus my TM Spring has gone to the dogs. It jumps all over the place | >when I move it just a tad. GP will probably make me want to race | >enough to shell out for a TSW> Well, maybe I am not that crazy, but | >what are some of the recommendations for a wheel? I am thinking one in | >the $100-150 range. What I am looking for, first and foremost, is | >precision. The more precise the better. But FF wouldnt hurt either. | >Any recommendations? | | I have to recommend the Logitech wheel only because I've used one daily

for | a year now with absolutely no problems. I have replaced the pedals and no | longer use the Profiler software from Logitech. I stopped using the profiler

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| last weekend and won 3 races in a row at Monza against the AI cars, | something I've never been able to do with GPL. Even after using DXTweak to | eliminate the the Windows deadzone, I found that there was still some | vagueness in the steering with the Profiler enabled. As soon as I shut it | off, the little bit of sloppiness in the steering was eliminated and I was | finally able to feel the car and place it where I wanted it to be on the | track. I've dropped my PBLs by at least a full second at each track I've | visited this week<g>. | | Good luck with which ever wheel you decide to get and keep practicing! | | don | | [|]-(_)-[|] | | | |

Seeing Grand Prix in Cinerama when I was in seventh grade was the catalyst my love for open wheel racing.

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>An item often forgotten is that Grand Prix was done in the three projector >CINERAMA format. Think the screen wrapped 120 degrees. No kidding. The >banking segments I still recall vividly - on that large screen, the motion >was intense. Gimmicky, but when the alignment of the three projectors >overlapped correctly, it was sensational. Also if my memory recalls it >correctly, it was also the first "split-screen" cinematography ever done. I >still have the original movie program showing the in-car driver camera >setup, and many other great photos about the movie production. Anyone else >see the original in CINERAMA? >| >| >Hey, just sitting here watching Grand Prix. Just a gew questions... >| > >| >Was the movie shot during the GP? If so, were some of the shots like >| >the helicopter view in Monaco and the overhead shots from Spa real >| >coverage? To me the incar shots looked too slow. I mean, the cars were >| >going through the Kink in Spa without having to lift at all. >| >| Parts of the film were shot during during GP weekends, mostly backround >and >| crowd shots. All of the in-car and car to car shots were setup shots >filmed >| with cast-off F1 cars and rebodied F2 chassis. Garner did much of his own >| driving, much to the dismay of his insurance company, while Brian Bedford >| was terribly afraid of the cars. The majority of his in-car shots were >done >| by towing the car around a circuit behind a camera truck or with a stunt >| driver, notice he always drove with his face covered, it could have been >| anyone in his car<g>. >| >| >And what was the deal with Gragham Hill? Was that just a look alike >| >that played him or was it him. The chap hadn't said a word all movie. >| >At least I think it was suposed to be Hill, from the mustache and some >| >photos I have seen of him. >| >| Not only is Graham Hill in the film but there are many other GP drivers of >| the era sprinkled throughout the picture. A partial list includes, Phil >| Hill, Amon, Bandini, Beltois, Bondurandt, Bonnier, Brabham, Fangio, >Farina, >| Gurney, Ginther, Hulme, Farina, Ligier, Rindt, McLaren, Parkes, Pillete, >| Revson, Scarfiotti, Schlesser and Siffert. >| >| >| >Anyway, the dang movie got me e***d about GPL again. Recently I have >| >abandoned it a bit since GSB wont work for me no matter what I try. >| >Plus my TM Spring has gone to the dogs. It jumps all over the place >| >when I move it just a tad. GP will probably make me want to race >| >enough to shell out for a TSW> Well, maybe I am not that crazy, but >| >what are some of the recommendations for a wheel? I am thinking one in >| >the $100-150 range. What I am looking for, first and foremost, is >| >precision. The more precise the better. But FF wouldnt hurt either. >| >Any recommendations? >| >| I have to recommend the Logitech wheel only because I've used one daily >for >| a year now with absolutely no problems. I have replaced the pedals and no >| longer use the Profiler software from Logitech. I stopped using the >profiler >| last weekend and won 3 races in a row at Monza against the AI cars, >| something I've never been able to do with GPL. Even after using DXTweak to >| eliminate the the Windows deadzone, I found that there was still some >| vagueness in the steering with the Profiler enabled. As soon as I shut it >| off, the little bit of sloppiness in the steering was eliminated and I was >| finally able to feel the car and place it where I wanted it to be on the >| track. I've dropped my PBLs by at least a full second at each track I've >| visited this week<g>. >| >| Good luck with which ever wheel you decide to get and keep practicing! >| >| don >| >| [|]-(_)-[|] >| >| >| >|

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Grand Prix was definately not filmed in 3 strip cinerama but in 65mm.True cinerama was shown on a 145 degree screen and only single strip cinemas generally had a lesser curved 120 degree screen. The effect was not as stimulating on the lesser curved screen. Split screen cinemaphotography has been around since the birth of cinema and did not start with grand prix. Yes,I saw grand prix in cinerama in Hawaii,New Zealand,new york,chicago,and san francisco. > | > | >Hey, just sitting here watching Grand Prix. Just a gew questions... > | > > | >Was the movie shot during the GP? If so, were some of the shots like > | >the helicopter view in Monaco and the overhead shots from Spa real > | >coverage? To me the incar shots looked too slow. I mean, the cars were > | >going through the Kink in Spa without having to lift at all. > | > | Parts of the film were shot during during GP weekends, mostly backround > and > | crowd shots. All of the in-car and car to car shots were setup shots > filmed > | with cast-off F1 cars and rebodied F2 chassis. Garner did much of his own > | driving, much to the dismay of his insurance company, while Brian Bedford > | was terribly afraid of the cars. The majority of his in-car shots were > done > | by towing the car around a circuit behind a camera truck or with a stunt > | driver, notice he always drove with his face covered, it could have been > | anyone in his car<g>. > | > | >And what was the deal with Gragham Hill? Was that just a look alike > | >that played him or was it him. The chap hadn't said a word all movie. > | >At least I think it was suposed to be Hill, from the mustache and some > | >photos I have seen of him. > | > | Not only is Graham Hill in the film but there are many other GP drivers of > | the era sprinkled throughout the picture. A partial list includes, Phil > | Hill, Amon, Bandini, Beltois, Bondurandt, Bonnier, Brabham, Fangio, > Farina, > | Gurney, Ginther, Hulme, Farina, Ligier, Rindt, McLaren, Parkes, Pillete, > | Revson, Scarfiotti, Schlesser and Siffert. > | > | > | >Anyway, the dang movie got me e***d about GPL again. Recently I have > | >abandoned it a bit since GSB wont work for me no matter what I try. > | >Plus my TM Spring has gone to the dogs. It jumps all over the place > | >when I move it just a tad. GP will probably make me want to race > | >enough to shell out for a TSW> Well, maybe I am not that crazy, but > | >what are some of the recommendations for a wheel? I am thinking one in > | >the $100-150 range. What I am looking for, first and foremost, is > | >precision. The more precise the better. But FF wouldnt hurt either. > | >Any recommendations? > | > | I have to recommend the Logitech wheel only because I've used one daily > for > | a year now with absolutely no problems. I have replaced the pedals and no > | longer use the Profiler software from Logitech. I stopped using the > profiler > | last weekend and won 3 races in a row at Monza against the AI cars, > | something I've never been able to do with GPL. Even after using DXTweak to > | eliminate the the Windows deadzone, I found that there was still some > | vagueness in the steering with the Profiler enabled. As soon as I shut it > | off, the little bit of sloppiness in the steering was eliminated and I was > | finally able to feel the car and place it where I wanted it to be on the > | track. I've dropped my PBLs by at least a full second at each track I've > | visited this week<g>. > | > | Good luck with which ever wheel you decide to get and keep practicing!

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Yes, it was in Cinerama and yes, I also saw it in that mode in the only such theatre in Sydney, Australia, at the time of release. By that time, however, it (Cinerama) did not employ the "split-screen" mode of projection. It was in one projected image, I'm pretty sure. Up to the release of Grand Prix there had been several Cinerama "spectaculars" shown.....mostly the "flying through the Grand Canyon" type of thing. One sequence involved the US Navys "Blue Angels" acrobatic team, including launching off the deck of a carrier. That piece is firmly engraved into my brain! Great stuff, Cinerama, but Todd-A-O 70mm killed it off pretty quickly. The modern-day equivalent would be Imax. - Bruce Kennewell Historic Motor Racing Club (Grand Prix Legends):- http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

> Split > screen cinemaphotography has been around since the birth of cinema and > did not start with grand prix. Good point. One early memorable film to use this technique was "Napoleon" by Emil Ganz (I think that was the director), a spectacular silent film from the 20's. ***************************************************** David A. Ewing *****************************************************

> Anyone else > see the original in CINERAMA? Yes. I saw it a few days after it was released at the Cinerama theater in Hollywood (I was an avid 11-year old racing fan at the time). Dave -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing *****************************************************

It's Abel Ganz, and you're right, it is a spectacular film. I saw it in Los Angeles back in the 80's with a live orchestra. There are sections of the film that are in color where the film makers hand colored each individual frame. -- don [|]-(_)-[|] > > Split > > screen cinemaphotography has been around since the birth of cinema and > > did not start with grand prix. > Good point. One early memorable film to use this technique was "Napoleon" by Emil Ganz (I think that was the director), a spectacular silent film from the 20's. > ***************************************************** > David A. Ewing > *****************************************************

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>> Anyone else >> see the original in CINERAMA? >Yes. I saw it a few days after it was released at the Cinerama theater in >Hollywood (I was an avid 11-year old racing fan at the time). >Dave

dave- beat ya on this one! :) i was an 19 year old goin to tech school In Indianapolis where the movie was PREMIRED! yep ...that was me...well not the first show but opening day! bo Bruce

Hey Bo, Cool. But I didn't know they had indoor plumbing in Indianapolis in the 60's, let alone a movie screen large enough to show "Grand Prix"! ;-) Did any race drivers show up for the premiere, other than Pete Aron? Dave

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> >Yes. I saw it a few days after it was released at the Cinerama theater in > >Hollywood (I was an avid 11-year old racing fan at the time). > >Dave > dave- beat ya on this one! :) > i was an 19 year old goin to tech school In Indianapolis where the > movie was PREMIRED! yep ...that was me...well not the first show but > opening day! > bo Bruce

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On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:04:14 -0800, "don hodgdon" >It's Abel Ganz, Wasn't that guy named Abel Gance? -- Matthias Flatt

Yup...my bad<g>, I just found my program for the showing here in LA. don [|]-(_)-[|]

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>On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:04:14 -0800, "don hodgdon" >>It's Abel Ganz, >Wasn't that guy named Abel Gance? >-- >Matthias Flatt

So did I, must have been around 1981. The orchestra was conducted by Francis Ford Coppola's father, Carmine (I think that was his first name). > It's Abel Ganz, and you're right, it is a spectacular film. I saw it in Los > Angeles back in the 80's with a live orchestra. There are sections of the > film that are in color where the film makers hand colored each individual > frame. -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing *****************************************************