FF Wheel and slower Pentiums.

Very few FF wheels have the gear change lever. I believe the ACTLabs FF does but the gear lever is not compatable with N3 (I would assume GPL too). If you get the wrong one yes. The logitech wheel uses 50K CPU cycles per FF command. The others are over 1,000,000 CPU cycles per FF command. Since you have such a slow CPU I think you have to consider this. I would suggest any celeron faster than 400mhz. Or if you can get a 300 that can be overclocked, that would be best. With one of those 300's you can set the FSB to 100mhz, while the standard celerons run at 66mhz. Even with a CPU upgrade I still think you want to get a wheel that doesn't use many CPU cycles. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

The logitech has paddles (much like a real F1 wheel actually) while the MS wheel has buttons. I also find that I don't shift enough in N3 to really get too worried about the lack of a "redneck" gear shifter :-) The price is apparently dropping too. I saw the LogiFF wheel for sale at a local compusa for $149. The full version of SCGT comes with it too! So the net price is ~$100 since SCGT is still $40. No problem. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

THE MSFF has paddles too behind the wheel for shifting. Plus it has programmable buttons on the front of the wheel. But no lever shifter.. I myself miss the shifter lever since its hard to shift if your on a short track and your wheel travel is side to side(ie:hard to shift when in a hard left/right) PassedYa

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> > I've seen a lever from ACTLABS, and it looked like a real one, not > > just the usual push/pull we're used to, but I also think that a few > > products only must support it. But OTOH, I really don't like the > > buttons for changing gear, I was thinking about the good old push/pull > > like my old T1. > The logitech has paddles (much like a real F1 wheel actually) > while the MS wheel has buttons. I also find that I don't shift > enough in N3 to really get too worried about the lack of a > "redneck" gear shifter :-) > > I keep hearing a lot of good about this Logitec wheel, I think I'm > > going to take a look at their website. > The price is apparently dropping too. I saw the LogiFF wheel for sale > at a local compusa for $149. The full version of SCGT comes > with it too! So the net price is ~$100 since SCGT is still $40. > > Yesterday, I bought a Celeron 400 (cpu, mobo + tower), maily because > > of its low price, and compared to what I had before, I'd say it runs > > beyond all I expected... Before, I could barely play SCGT, even with > > everything turned off and a voodoo 2, now, it's just like a dream.... > > GPL seems also more comfortable to drive than before. > > Thanks a lot for the advice, > No problem. > -- > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

Excuse me. But I used to own a MS FF wheel. The paddles you refer to are nothing more than buttons about 1"x1" in size. They were so small that my wrist would snap if I tried to keep both hands in a position so that I could always shift. Totally bogus for me. The logitech has real paddles much like a real F1 car (which has 4 paddles instead of 2). And of course hte logitech has progamable buttons on the wheel too. The paddles can even be programed. Not with the Logitech wheel it isn't. That is what I am saying about the Logi paddles. They are functionable :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > PassedYa > > > I've seen a lever from ACTLABS, and it looked like a real one, not > > > just the usual push/pull we're used to, but I also think that a few > > > products only must support it. But OTOH, I really don't like the > > > buttons for changing gear, I was thinking about the good old push/pull > > > like my old T1. > > The logitech has paddles (much like a real F1 wheel actually) > > while the MS wheel has buttons. I also find that I don't shift > > enough in N3 to really get too worried about the lack of a > > "redneck" gear shifter :-) > > > I keep hearing a lot of good about this Logitec wheel, I think I'm > > > going to take a look at their website. > > The price is apparently dropping too. I saw the LogiFF wheel for sale > > at a local compusa for $149. The full version of SCGT comes > > with it too! So the net price is ~$100 since SCGT is still $40. > > > Yesterday, I bought a Celeron 400 (cpu, mobo + tower), maily because > > > of its low price, and compared to what I had before, I'd say it runs > > > beyond all I expected... Before, I could barely play SCGT, even with > > > everything turned off and a voodoo 2, now, it's just like a dream.... > > > GPL seems also more comfortable to drive than before. > > > Thanks a lot for the advice, > > No problem. > > -- > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

> > I keep hearing a lot of good about this Logitec wheel, I think I'm > > going to take a look at their website. > The price is apparently dropping too. I saw the LogiFF wheel for sale > at a local compusa for $149. The full version of SCGT comes > with it too! So the net price is ~$100 since SCGT is still $40. There is one particular seller on Ebay that is selling factory reconditioned Logitech Force Feedback Formula Wheels. They are going for about $70 on auction (I just got one for $70.04). Be patient on your bidding, though. He seems to be putting more wheels up for auction everyday, so don't bid like you won't get another try. The wheels come with a 1 year warranty through Logitech. The seller has a good feedback rating, but you never know. I'll let you all know my impressions with both the wheel and the seller. Aaron Gillum

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> > THE MSFF has paddles too behind the wheel for shifting. Plus it has > Excuse me. But I used to own a MS FF wheel. The paddles you > refer to are nothing more than buttons about 1"x1" in size. They > were so small that my wrist would snap if I tried to keep both > hands in a position so that I could always shift. Totally bogus for > me. The logitech has real paddles much like a real F1 car (which > has 4 paddles instead of 2).

That's a negative on the MS wheel, but I just glued some bigger plastic paddles on the buttons, works like a charm... Didn't you program your MS wheel while you had it? It has 6 programmable buttons and 2 programmable "paddle" buttons. l8er ronny -- The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX! |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!