Kind of disappointed in GTR2

Hi, I have the GTR mod for F12002 and GTR1. I got GTR2 the other day. I have to admit I'm pretty disappointed in the realism of GTR2. I don't *think* I've got it set up wrong, I am for sure in 'simulation' mode. But the cars are WAY easier to drive than I expected. It feels like the traction control and ABS are turned on. The Function keys report they are turned off. To me, the old GTR mod for F12002 is quite a bit more realistic in terms of the way the cars feel and handle. The acceleration and way the engine "comes on the cam" in that game is very realistic IMO. I never did really play GTR1 that much because I preferred the GTR mod. I was hoping GTR2 would be a major improvement, but I don't think so. -Tony-

Tony Jester wrote:

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> Hi, > > I have the GTR mod for F12002 and GTR1. I got GTR2 the other day. I have > to admit I'm pretty disappointed in the realism of GTR2. I don't *think* > I've got it set up wrong, I am for sure in 'simulation' mode. But the cars > are WAY easier to drive than I expected. It feels like the traction control > and ABS are turned on.

There is plenty of debate about how endurance vehicles should drive, but if you want a more lively drive then try the NAP mod: http://www.racesimulations.com/GTR2/downloads/1067.html If you like historic saloons then you can't do better than the Power & Glory 60s Tourismo mod: http://www.gtlw.co.uk/ I haven't driven stock GTR2 physics since the availability of those two mods which are excellent IMHO. Cheers Tony

Tony R wrote: > There is plenty of debate about how endurance vehicles should drive, Yea, these cars are designed to be stable with lots of grip so why do people always think harder means more realistic?

"John Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rfl6j.20583$[email hidden]... > Tony R wrote: > > > There is plenty of debate about how endurance vehicles should drive, > > Yea, these cars are designed to be stable with lots of grip so why do > people always think harder means more realistic? Well, because it is, actually. Sure they have lots of grip, but still, they *are* over 600 hp after all! There is simply no such thing as an easy-to-drive 600 hp 1100 kg. car, sorry! 400 hp, yes. 600+ hp, no. It's the way the peaky engine comes on the cam so violently. GTR2 is quite arcade-ish. I gar-un-tee the GTR mod for F12002 is way more realistic. -Tony-

"Tony Jester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6So6j.79700$[email hidden]...

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> "John Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rfl6j.20583$[email hidden]... >> Tony R wrote: >> >> > There is plenty of debate about how endurance vehicles should drive, >> >> Yea, these cars are designed to be stable with lots of grip so why do >> people always think harder means more realistic? > > Well, because it is, actually. Sure they have lots of grip, but still, > they > *are* over 600 hp after all! There is simply no such thing as an > easy-to-drive 600 hp 1100 kg. car, sorry! 400 hp, yes. 600+ hp, no. > It's > the way the peaky engine comes on the cam so violently. GTR2 is quite > arcade-ish. I gar-un-tee the GTR mod for F12002 is way more realistic. > > -Tony- >

Actually, they are not that difficult to drive. Today's endurance cars are not like the GTL cars. Modern tires, suspensions, aero downforce and brakes make them relatively easy to handle within their envelope. Have you driven long enough for the tire wear to set in? Then they become quite a bit tougher to handle. I even believe that the GTL cars drive much easier than the sim IRL. I drove a bit back then and was lucky enough back in the '60s to take an AC Cobra around Road America for a couple of laps and it was nowhere close to being as tough to drive as the model in GTL even on cold tires. It tended to understeer a lot on turn entry (instead of being insanely loose under braking) and was a bit loose under acceleration, but very driveable. I have driven a lot of fast cars over the years and very few are as tough to drive as some of sims make them out to be. Ed >

Tony Jester wrote:

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> "John Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rfl6j.20583$[email hidden]... >> Tony R wrote: >> >>> There is plenty of debate about how endurance vehicles should drive, >> Yea, these cars are designed to be stable with lots of grip so why do >> people always think harder means more realistic? > > Well, because it is, actually. Sure they have lots of grip, but still, they > *are* over 600 hp after all! There is simply no such thing as an > easy-to-drive 600 hp 1100 kg. car, sorry! 400 hp, yes. 600+ hp, no. It's > the way the peaky engine comes on the cam so violently. GTR2 is quite > arcade-ish. I gar-un-tee the GTR mod for F12002 is way more realistic.

My view on it is that once you take away the exhilaration of driving at such speeds even within grip limits, and the forces acting on the body lap after lap then the simulation seems quite tame. Driving on the edge will only wear the tyres out early in a stint. A touring car style sprint at qualifying speeds each lap makes for a better sim IMHO. The NAP mod arguably exaggerates the amount of sliding but makes for more entertainment in a sim, especially if you are running shorter than real life races. I think you make your choice and run with what works for you. Cheers Tony

It doesn't fully trip my trigger either, but to me it is definitely the best of any of the ISI based games. -Larry "Tony Jester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hUg6j.52055$[email hidden]...

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> Hi, > > I have the GTR mod for F12002 and GTR1. I got GTR2 the other day. I have > to admit I'm pretty disappointed in the realism of GTR2. I don't *think* > I've got it set up wrong, I am for sure in 'simulation' mode. But the > cars > are WAY easier to drive than I expected. It feels like the traction > control > and ABS are turned on. The Function keys report they are turned off. To > me, the old GTR mod for F12002 is quite a bit more realistic in terms of > the > way the cars feel and handle. The acceleration and way the engine "comes > on > the cam" in that game is very realistic IMO. I never did really play GTR1 > that much because I preferred the GTR mod. I was hoping GTR2 would be a > major improvement, but I don't think so. > > -Tony- > >

"Tony R" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:m1C6j.14913$[email hidden]...

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> My view on it is that once you take away the exhilaration of driving at > such speeds even within grip limits, and the forces acting on the body > lap after lap then the simulation seems quite tame. Driving on the edge > will only wear the tyres out early in a stint. > > A touring car style sprint at qualifying speeds each lap makes for a > better sim IMHO. The NAP mod arguably exaggerates the amount of sliding > but makes for more entertainment in a sim, especially if you are running > shorter than real life races. > > I think you make your choice and run with what works for you. > > Cheers > Tony

I'll definitely give it a try. Thanks for your help! -Tony-

Tony Jester wrote:

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> > Well, because it is, actually. Sure they have lots of grip, but still, they > *are* over 600 hp after all! There is simply no such thing as an > easy-to-drive 600 hp 1100 kg. car, sorry! 400 hp, yes. 600+ hp, no. It's > the way the peaky engine comes on the cam so violently. GTR2 is quite > arcade-ish. I gar-un-tee the GTR mod for F12002 is way more realistic. > > -Tony- > >

What cars have you driven in RL? I think you are FOS but will give you some leeway if you can prove that you know what you are talking about.

"Tony R" <[email hidden]> wrote > There is plenty of debate about how endurance vehicles should drive, but > if you want a more lively drive then try the NAP mod: > > http://www.racesimulations.com/GTR2/downloads/1067.html > > I got thisNAP mod after seeing this post and like it BUT It has changed a couple things that I do NOT like .... maybe someone can help first, at the end of a race, I used to get a message at the top of the screen saying race over and the crew chief chatting ....now it instantly flashes to a replay of me crossing S/F ...hate that, how can I change it? second, shifts seem to take a lot longer ... i.e I pull on the paddle and it takes for ever ( not really, just in comparison ;-) for the gear to change .... in some corners where you need to downshift several times after a long chute, this really bugs me ... in a real car you can skip a gear, but not with my TSW/paddle shifter controller .... is there a way to change this? lastly, I don't much care for the faster cars and love the little Elise or Vertigo in single make races ... are there "generic" setups available for these little dears somewhere?

"Larry L" <[email hidden]> wrote > > first, at the end of a race, I used to get a message at the top of the > screen saying race over and the crew chief chatting > ....now it instantly flashes to a replay of me crossing S/F ...hate that, > how can I change it? > I figured out this part .... I created a new driver after installing the Mod in case I needed to change controller settings and to store new set-ups and make them easier to find .... I didn't edit the new .plr file completely But, I'd still like a source of starter set-ups and a shifting that doesn't "blip" so noticably ... is this in the .plr too? I didn't see it but it is, I believe, in rFactor

Ed Medlin wrote:

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> Actually, they are not that difficult to drive. Today's endurance cars are > not like the GTL cars. Modern tires, suspensions, aero downforce and brakes > make them relatively easy to handle within their envelope. Have you driven > long enough for the tire wear to set in? Then they become quite a bit > tougher to handle. I even believe that the GTL cars drive much easier than > the sim IRL. I drove a bit back then and was lucky enough back in the '60s > to take an AC Cobra around Road America for a couple of laps and it was > nowhere close to being as tough to drive as the model in GTL even on cold > tires. It tended to understeer a lot on turn entry (instead of being > insanely loose under braking) and was a bit loose under acceleration, but > very driveable. I have driven a lot of fast cars over the years and very few > are as tough to drive as some of sims make them out to be. > > Ed > >

Thanks, that's what I figured. I think the same can be said for flight sims too.