1st post guys..need advice!

Hi all. I'm about to buy a new system, and have been racing the Papy racing products since day 1. My question is it'll be P3 system and I'm thinking from all I've reviewed I really like the MX300 sound card from Diamond. The big question is what video card should I be looking at getting? I can't decide between the Viper Ultra 770 32 mb or a Voodoo 3000? I have N3, Grand Prix Legends, Viper Racing and will grab Nascar Legends the second I see it :) I'm going in circles at this point since , is GPL only Voodoo compatable? But I don't want to give up getting a 32mb card for the stuff coming in the future.. All comments are much appreciated, and thanks for listening. Dave Richardson (DMRich on old OSCAR Series) :(

What about a Viper 770 with a Voodoo 2 card I'm using this whit great results for GPL. (in a pentiumIII 500 system with a soundblaster Live! souncard) Sjaak A.

What about a Viper 770 with a Voodoo 2 card. I'm using this in a Pentium III 500 mhz system with good results. Sjaak Alleman

Dave Richardson heeft geschreven in bericht Hi dave, i think should go for the ultra tnt2. I got a pIII 450 128mb with a tnt from creative. I got the card standard with my system. I'm propably gonna buy a tnt2 ultra soon though. When i just got my system i didn't buy gpl because i did read somewhere in the manual (a friend had the game) that it was only voodoo compatible. So i thought well i buy a voodoo2 next to my tnt. Then i found this open gl driver for gpl somewhere on the internet just a few weeks ago. I borrowed gpl from my friend and tried if it did work. Works wonderfully fine on my system only drawback compared to voodoo cards is that for some reason the mirror update makes your framerate suffer when using incar vieuw. I hated this because incar vieuw is the only vieuw for simulation, anyway there is a solution for this too, when you adjust the ini file you can lower the refreshrate of your mirrors and voila all seems to work great. Goos part about open gl voor gpl is that you can drive in a higher resolution than 800x 600. On my system i get 38 fps when in 1084 x 768 resolution. I think when using an tnt2 ultra that figure will even be higher. I find i very well drivable and the extra resolution certainly pays since it's easier to look ahaid of the road. For al the new sims out i certainly recommend a tnt simply because of the 32 bit color dept. Maybe for people with slower systems a voodoo is the best choice but since you gonna buy a pii i think you should go for th tnt 2 ultra. Maybe you should look further than only the diamond card since i did read a few articles on tnt2 ultra cards(i want one soon enough) and read there are better quicker with better software bundles around Happy shopping Andre Hanegraaf Amsterdam p.s. if you decide to go for the tnt and you want the open gl driver for gpl give me a mail then i send it to you by mail

Will this fix the flickering mirrors problem in opengl with my TNT2 card? If so, what do you change in the ini file, and what ini file are we talking about? Or is there still no fix for this other than running in software mode. -J

If you are using the 2.08 ver driver called the detonator drivers there is nothing you can do but change the driver that you're using. To me software mode is not an option. But the ver 0107 and ver 0256 drivers from Nvidea will work with your card and not flicker the mirrors. Add these four lines to the core.ini file that's in *:\sierra\gpl directory. Mirrors every = 3 mean that the mirrors refresh every 3 clock cycles. The higher you can go the more FPS you will get. [OpenGL ] TossHighestMip = 0 ; MipFiltering = 4 ; MirrorsEvery = 3 ; > Will this fix the flickering mirrors problem in opengl with my TNT2 card? If > so, what do you change in the ini file, and what ini file are we talking > about? Or is there still no fix for this other than running in software > mode.

That's right i can go up to MirrosEvery= 8 yet your mirror vieuw will be a bit like in slowmotion. But you will be quit able to know from where a car is comming, i find the increased frame rate much more valuable then the slowmotion mirrors a problem. Besides 1024 x 768 sure beats software mode. Sure i wish someone (pappy are you listening?) fixes this and gives gpl the update it deserves to welcome al the guys who just decided that they want the best new generation cards, so open gl or d3d is supported properly. Still i have a lot of fun driving around with the current open gl driver Andre Hanegraaf Amsterdam David B. Harrison heeft geschreven in bericht >If you are using the 2.08 ver driver called the detonator drivers there is >nothing you can do but change the driver that you're using. To me software mode >is not an option. But the ver 0107 and ver 0256 drivers from Nvidea will work >with your card and not flicker the mirrors. >Add these four lines to the core.ini file that's in *:\sierra\gpl directory. >Mirrors every = 3 mean that the mirrors refresh every 3 clock cycles. The higher

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>you can go the more FPS you will get. > [OpenGL ] >TossHighestMip = 0 ; >MipFiltering = 4 ; >MirrorsEvery = 3 ; >> Will this fix the flickering mirrors problem in opengl with my TNT2 card?

If >> so, what do you change in the ini file, and what ini file are we talking >> about? Or is there still no fix for this other than running in software >> mode.

Hi Dave I have all the software you mentioned. I have a Vodoo3 3000 running on a PII 233 with 64MB RAM. I would recommend the Voodoo3 3000. With my PII 233, In most games I can have everything full on (graphics), in the highest resolution and get more than 20 FPS (Imagine if I had a P3). GPL shipped with only Rendition and 3dfx support. A patch came later that supported OpenGL and is available at the PITS, but you would have to ask others how good it is. I have a problem when it come to racing sims, I buy them all as soon as I see them (which has been close to grounds for divorce as far as my wife is concerned), so I have almost anything you can get as far as racing sims go, so I've seen them run with a Voodoo2 and a Voodoo3. The following I can crank everything to the max and get completely smooth play with the P2 and V3 3000: Viper Racing GP500 Demo (which by the way is the best thing I've ever seen as far as graphics go) Sports Car GT NFS III Hot Pursuit (I know it's not a sim but it came with my V3) GPL (except of course when the damn slow motion bug kicks in) With N3, I have to turn off some of the eye candy or the FPS drops below 20. Dean

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>Hi all. >I'm about to buy a new system, and have been racing the Papy racing >products since day 1. >My question is it'll be P3 system and I'm thinking from all I've >reviewed I really like the MX300 sound card from Diamond. The big >question is what video card should I be looking at getting? I can't >decide between the Viper Ultra 770 32 mb or a Voodoo 3000? I have N3, >Grand Prix Legends, Viper Racing and will grab Nascar Legends the second >I see it :) >I'm going in circles at this point since , is GPL only Voodoo >compatable? But I don't want to give up getting a 32mb card for the >stuff coming in the future.. >All comments are much appreciated, and thanks for listening. >Dave Richardson (DMRich on old OSCAR Series) :(

At this point in time I'd get the cheapest TNT2-32meg card I could find and stick the cheapest 12meg Voodoo2 card I could find in there with it to run the glide (GPL). With a P3 that should give you close to the best of all current *** worlds and you will have saved some money toward that next gen video card you're going to want in a couple of months. BTW, if you're interested in the MX300, you might want to consider one of the new Vortex cards from Aureal here [link lost in import: /'d] check them out before buying the MX300 anyway. Take a look at the date of the latest MX300 drivers here [link lost in import] see what I mean. (I have an MX300 and three Diamond video cards--a Viper550 and SLI Monster 2's--in my machine right now and can tell you Diamond's driver support is crap. I'm using reference drivers for all these Diamond cards.) Jerry Morelock <snip>

I would recommend the V3-2000 and overclock it to a V3-3000 (166mhz)...they are available for under $90.00 mail order...that way you can save those dollars for the next generation 3dfx which should arrive after the 1st of the year...the V3 is a great card for most games, especially Papy, and it has fine 2d characteristics...and for the price and the tweak, it gives you excellent performance... Deadmarsh > At this point in time I'd get the cheapest TNT2-32meg card I could find and

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> stick the cheapest 12meg Voodoo2 card I could find in there with it to run > the glide (GPL). > With a P3 that should give you close to the best of all current *** > worlds and you will have saved some money toward that next gen video card > you're going to want in a couple of months. > BTW, if you're interested in the MX300, you might want to consider one of > the new Vortex cards from Aureal here [link lost in import: /'d] check

them > out before buying the MX300 anyway. Take a look at the date of the latest > MX300 drivers here [link lost in import] > see what I mean. (I have an MX300 and three Diamond video cards--a Viper550

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> and SLI Monster 2's--in my machine right now and can tell you Diamond's > driver support is crap. I'm using reference drivers for all these Diamond > cards.) > Jerry Morelock > > Hi all. > > I'm about to buy a new system, and have been racing the Papy racing > > products since day 1. > > My question is it'll be P3 system and I'm thinking from all I've > > reviewed I really like the MX300 sound card from Diamond. The big > > question is what video card should I be looking at getting? I can't > > decide between the Viper Ultra 770 32 mb or a Voodoo 3000? > <snip>