SOS '37 Demo Delay - My Thoughts

I quote (from Hasbro/Micropros) "You will be able to download the Spirit of Speed 1937 playable demo from here by 20th October 1999." See it for yourself at http://www.spiritofspeed1937.com/ the "Demo" link. My thoughts are, this is a pretty bold statement, and one that has made them not look good because they missed the date. Why do we have to go through this with every SIM that comes out. I'd like to think that developers are smarter than this (because I am one). How about this instead: "You will be able to download the Spirit of Speed 1937 playable demo from here some time in the last quarter of 1999." At least then if they target for the beginning of the Quarter (Oct 1) then they have themselves a 3 month buffer, and we (the SIM Community) don't expect to see it until December, and when it actuall arrives on the shelf some time in November, everyone's happy. And who ever decided that a release date should be published. Wouldn't it be nice if one day we just walked into the local software store and went "Hey... Spirit of Speed 1937... What's this?". I know... the anticipation of it coming is part of the hype. Just me thinking out loud.. Dean

I have been checking out the site all day.... Still nothing showed up... I am starting to wonder why I keep waiting for it... Graphics don't look very special and it looks kinda arcadish. I hope I am wrong offcourse but for me it looks like a 'GPL wanna be'.... Just me thinking out loud.. -- Sjon 'Pierce' Stigter __________________________________ ICQ: 3937030 IRC: Pierce __________________________________

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>I quote (from Hasbro/Micropros) >"You will be able to download the Spirit of Speed 1937 playable demo from >here by 20th October 1999." >See it for yourself at http://www.spiritofspeed1937.com/ Select the "Demo" >link. >My thoughts are, this is a pretty bold statement, and one that has made

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>not look good because they missed the date. Why do we have to go through >this with every SIM that comes out. I'd like to think that developers are >smarter than this (because I am one). >How about this instead: "You will be able to download the Spirit of Speed >1937 playable demo from here some time in the last quarter of 1999." >At least then if they target for the beginning of the Quarter (Oct 1) then >they have themselves a 3 month buffer, and we (the SIM Community) don't >expect to see it until December, and when it actuall arrives on the shelf >some time in November, everyone's happy. >And who ever decided that a release date should be published. Wouldn't it >be nice if one day we just walked into the local software store and went >"Hey... Spirit of Speed 1937... What's this?". I know... the anticipation >of it coming is part of the hype. >Just me thinking out loud.. >Dean

I was going to ignore this game like the plague. But I just looked at some of the screen shots. Oval tracks? Cool. I always thought an old time sim would be cool, those old beast would be a real challenge. I wonder if they included any board tracks? Oh well. The demo is still not here.... Does look like and arcade game.... reminds me of NFS, just with old roadsters. The Mocker

If you expect something like GPL, I'm sure you'll be in for a disappointment. Indeed, it looks quite arcadish. But it could be fun in ot's own right... Andre On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:53:02 +0200, "Sjon Stigter" >I have been checking out the site all day.... Still nothing showed up... >I am starting to wonder why I keep waiting for it... Graphics don't look >very special and it looks kinda arcadish. I hope I am wrong offcourse but >for me it looks like a 'GPL wanna be'.... >Just me thinking out loud..

This is nothing nothing against you personally (just happened to read your post last), but I am SO f#$%en sick of some people on this newsgroup constantly saying everything other than GPL has to be an arcade game. I've played GPL. It's a great sim. Great fun too. But it's nothing like being in a real life 67 F1 car. David G Fisher

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> If you expect something like GPL, I'm sure you'll be in for a > disappointment. Indeed, it looks quite arcadish. > But it could be fun in ot's own right... > Andre > On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:53:02 +0200, "Sjon Stigter" > >I have been checking out the site all day.... Still nothing showed up... > >I am starting to wonder why I keep waiting for it... Graphics don't look > >very special and it looks kinda arcadish. I hope I am wrong offcourse but > >for me it looks like a 'GPL wanna be'.... > >Just me thinking out loud..

My thought is that they're just doing a demographic "hit test" to see how many are hitting it and from where... could be their way of determining where to/not to market the game. --Dave -- Dave Schwabe "If you're in control, you're not going fast enough" -- Parnelli Jones The Aussie Toad -- GPL Brabham Page http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

<opening a can or worms> How do you know it's not like a real life 67 F1 car David ? ;-) </oacow> -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

What is it about SOS that looks arcadish? It may turn out to be a shit game and a shit simulator, or just a shit simulator, but from what little we can see (screenshots and the marketing bumpf on the site), it as far from arcade as you could get. Why would anyone who wants an arcade racer waste their time on all the details of recreating the old tracks and cars? Not just you Andre, but the others, too--please explain why you think this is arcadish. Marc.

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> If you expect something like GPL, I'm sure you'll be in for a > disappointment. Indeed, it looks quite arcadish. > But it could be fun in ot's own right... > Andre > On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:53:02 +0200, "Sjon Stigter" > >I have been checking out the site all day.... Still nothing showed up... > >I am starting to wonder why I keep waiting for it... Graphics don't look > >very special and it looks kinda arcadish. I hope I am wrong offcourse but > >for me it looks like a 'GPL wanna be'.... > >Just me thinking out loud..

I think we are all just frustrated with having to wait for the demo longer than expected (sort of like having your paycheck delayed at the last minute). Also, it seems like every time people get anxious about a demo or release date not being met they begin to CONJECTURE about how crappy it will be. The point was made in this thread that it will not be GPL but it might be fun anyway. I'm spoiled by GPL, too, but agree. Even Nascar3 is fun (in a retro way) after life with GPL. It's sort of like life in the Army - hurry up and wait......... Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

>"You will be able to download the Spirit of Speed 1937 playable demo from >here by 20th October 1999." Things come up. Remember "GPAL later tonight"? That was months ago. But I too would rather they take the id software approach. "You will be able to download the demo when it's ready.". glen

> My thoughts are, this is a pretty bold statement, and one that has made them > not look good because they missed the date. Why do we have to go through > this with every SIM that comes out. I'd like to think that developers are > smarter than this (because I am one). Maybe now you/we understand why Papy never gives us any releasedates anymore?? :-) -- All the best, Edwin Solheim **remove spamguard in address to reply** Drop by "The Paddock - a legendary site....." for some cool GPL stuff! http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock

Marc Collins Wrote: IMO, all the "race-info" at the top of every screenshoot look VERY arcadish.... and the the gear-info and the speed-o-meter too... I really dont like the text-dispaly at all and IMHO the "1/5" thing in the middle does point towards a arcade-game I'm afraid... *Please do* prove me wrong... -- All the best, Edwin Solheim **remove spamguard in address to reply** Drop by "The Paddock - a legendary site....." for some cool GPL stuff! http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock

Thanks David, for putting that into perspective. No doubt you often wander out to your garage and fire up your 1967 BT24 for a quick run to the shops? > This is nothing nothing against you personally (just happened to read your > post last), but I am SO f#$%en sick of some people on this newsgroup > constantly saying everything other than GPL has to be an arcade game. I've > played GPL. It's a great sim. Great fun too. But it's nothing like being in

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> a real life 67 F1 car. > David G Fisher > > If you expect something like GPL, I'm sure you'll be in for a > > disappointment. Indeed, it looks quite arcadish. > > But it could be fun in ot's own right... > > Andre > > On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:53:02 +0200, "Sjon Stigter" > > >I have been checking out the site all day.... Still nothing showed

up... > > >I am starting to wonder why I keep waiting for it... Graphics don't look > > >very special and it looks kinda arcadish. I hope I am wrong offcourse but > > >for me it looks like a 'GPL wanna be'.... > > >Just me thinking out loud.. -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

Well you win the award for pointless post of the day. Publishers post dates so that people are prepared for the release and know when to go into stores to get their game. More importantly for most publishers and developers it means the magazines and retail can get their acts together. Can you imagine releasing a game without anyone knowing it was out? I shudder to think how poorly it'd do. It seems publishers can't win. They give a quarter and people say "That's not accurate enough, they're obviously gonna slip a lot and are using this to cover" and if they give a date and miss it by *two* days (so far) they get meaningless drivel like this. Why don't you adopt the form of not looking at release dates and being surprised when games are released or just playing the sims you have and picking up the new ones whenever. M

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> > This is nothing nothing against you personally (just happened to read your > > post last), but I am SO f#$%en sick of some people on this newsgroup > > constantly saying everything other than GPL has to be an arcade game. I've > > played GPL. It's a great sim. Great fun too. But it's nothing like being > in > > a real life 67 F1 car. > <opening a can or worms> > How do you know it's not like a real life 67 F1 car David ? ;-) > </oacow>

Easy: because it's not, it's a good simulation, that's what it is... ;^) l8er ronny -- "I heard if you play the NT-4.0-CD backwards, you get a satanic message." "That's nothing, if you play it forward, it installs NT-4.0"

You really are an extremely rude and arrogant individual, aren't you? Do you gain some sense of superiority in being able to denigrate people, whom you have never met, from a position of remote anonymity? You are a rather sad person. I sympathise with your parents.

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> Well you win the award for pointless post of the day. > Publishers post dates so that people are prepared for the release and > know when to go into stores to get their game. More importantly for most > publishers and developers it means the magazines and retail can get their > acts together. Can you imagine releasing a game without anyone knowing it > was out? I shudder to think how poorly it'd do. > It seems publishers can't win. They give a quarter and people say "That's > not accurate enough, they're obviously gonna slip a lot and are using > this to cover" and if they give a date and miss it by *two* days (so far) > they get meaningless drivel like this. > Why don't you adopt the form of not looking at release dates and being > surprised when games are released or just playing the sims you have and > picking up the new ones whenever. > M > >I quote (from Hasbro/Micropros) > >"You will be able to download the Spirit of Speed 1937 playable demo > >from here by 20th October 1999." > >See it for yourself at http://www.spiritofspeed1937.com/ Select the > >"Demo" link. > >My thoughts are, this is a pretty bold statement, and one that has made > >them not look good because they missed the date. Why do we have to go > >through this with every SIM that comes out. I'd like to think that > >developers are smarter than this (because I am one). > >How about this instead: "You will be able to download the Spirit of > >Speed 1937 playable demo from here some time in the last quarter of > >1999." > >At least then if they target for the beginning of the Quarter (Oct 1) > >then they have themselves a 3 month buffer, and we (the SIM Community) > >don't expect to see it until December, and when it actuall arrives on > >the shelf some time in November, everyone's happy. > >And who ever decided that a release date should be published. Wouldn't > >it be nice if one day we just walked into the local software store and > >went "Hey... Spirit of Speed 1937... What's this?". I know... the > >anticipation of it coming is part of the hype. > >Just me thinking out loud.. > >Dean

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Oz: 1 - USA: Nill!! HeHeHe! -- All the best, Edwin Solheim **remove spamguard in address to reply** Drop by "The Paddock - a legendary site....." for some cool GPL stuff! http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock > Thanks David, for putting that into perspective. > No doubt you often wander out to your garage and fire up your 1967 BT24 for > a quick run to the shops?

Delayed gratification? Are you out of your skull? -- Bob Curtin Worcester Area Strategy & Tactics Exchange http://www.tiac.net/users/ten10ths/ "If God had intended men to join the Army he would have given us green, baggy skin"

On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:18:55 +0200, "Edwin Solheim" >I really dont like the text-dispaly at all and IMHO the "1/5" thing in the >middle does point towards a arcade-game I'm afraid... Because I suck and I want to know, when running the Nascar series, I press F2 to see where I stand. I WANT to know what position I'm in (whether that's realistic or not, it's nice to have). Maybe the fact that I know something a REAL driver wouldn't (where he stands on the track in relation to the other drivers) makes it arcade? No. Unrealistic? yes. Desirable? To me - yes. They could put a "1/5" in the middle of the screen in GPL and it wouldn't make it any more of an arcade game than it is now. Gunner

I think it would, Don. Simply by the very fact that the not-too-subtle graphic would be floating in mid-air tends to make it "arcady", in my opinion. A pop-up would be far less intrusive and certainly make the main "driving" window more sim, less arcade. BK > On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:18:55 +0200, "Edwin Solheim" > >I really dont like the text-dispaly at all and IMHO the "1/5" thing in the

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> >middle does point towards a arcade-game I'm afraid... > Because I suck and I want to know, when running the Nascar > series, I press F2 to see where I stand. I WANT to know what position > I'm in (whether that's realistic or not, it's nice to have). Maybe > the fact that I know something a REAL driver wouldn't (where he stands > on the track in relation to the other drivers) makes it arcade? No. > Unrealistic? yes. Desirable? To me - yes. > They could put a "1/5" in the middle of the screen in GPL and > it wouldn't make it any more of an arcade game than it is now. > Gunner

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Bruce Kennewell schrieb: Oh, the nitpicking. To me the pop-ups in Nascar2/3 are just as well in mid-air, just somehow inside the***pit, hovering over the (not existing) passenger seat... ;^) Maybe I'm just too optimistic about this sim. l8er ronny -- The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX! |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

: Because I suck and I want to know, when running the Nascar : series, I press F2 to see where I stand. I WANT to know what position : I'm in (whether that's realistic or not, it's nice to have). Maybe : the fact that I know something a REAL driver wouldn't (where he stands : on the track in relation to the other drivers) makes it arcade? No. : Unrealistic? yes. Desirable? To me - yes. : They could put a "1/5" in the middle of the screen in GPL and : it wouldn't make it any more of an arcade game than it is now. : Gunner Exactly. To hell with historical accuracy (as long as you can toggle it for the diehards). I hate the one-lap delay on the pit board with GPL, but this is just my opinion. I would love to know what position I am dicing for, without having to do the math in my head. there isn't a lot of room left for even simple addition and subtraction when I am trying to put a move on Surtees while drifting towards that ***y wall just after Malmedy. Stephen

Probably M

No sense of superiority at all Bruce. I recall a period when almost every post from you was a "witty" one liner generally taking the***out of the previous poster. A case of the pot calling the kettle grimy arse perhaps? BTW I'll be sure to pass on your sympathies to my parents when I speak to them next, I'm fairly sure they'll be pleased to know you're thinking of them. M

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David the site is put together by our publisher not Broadsword, I believe the demo will be available as from tomorrow, but I cannot promise that. I will put you on my own personal mailing list for updated information, that is the best I can do I am afraid. We have been told a release date of 5th November here in the UK I am still waiting for confirmation from our publisher of the schedule for the rest of the world. Regards Nicola Scurlock As I posted earlier, I wrote Broadsword figuring that Hasbro wouldn't be as likely to respond. I received the above response this morning.. DBH I guess we'll see.

This is more of a regional variation than a replacement. Same thing at the end of the day

Oh, fine. I thought it may have been the "politically correct" version.

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> This is more of a regional variation than a replacement. Same thing at the > end of the day > >Isn't that saying "a case of the pot calling the kettle black"?

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Just picture deepest mid 20th century Yorkshire and political correctness and try not to laugh. I *dare* you :P M

Sorry... I can't do that because I haven't the foggiest idea of what mid-20th. century Yorkshire would have been like. But when I said that I thought it was the politically correct version, I was referring to now. BK -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

I admit it, I failed <g> Cheers, Richard