My new Autoweek came...

...with lots of stuff on the Goodwood races where Brabham wrecked, and some good (albeit too few for my tastes :) photos of the cars... I was thinking...maybe F1 should revert back to wingless, 3-liter, naturally-aspirated cars, and a minumum ride height of 2.5"... It'd beat those ugly things that they have today... -- Kirk Lane ICQ: 28171652 BRT #187 "It goes down the same as a thousand before No one's gettin' smarter, no one's learnin the score The never ending spree of death and *** and hate Is gonna tie your own rope" -'Come Out And Play', The Offspring

I enjoy the modern F1 cars. I find them both graceful and powerful from a visual perspective. The GPL cars are great too, but more from a romantic impression of the era in which they competed. -Andrew > ...with lots of stuff on the Goodwood races where Brabham wrecked, and some

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> good (albeit too few for my tastes :) photos of the cars... > I was thinking...maybe F1 should revert back to wingless, 3-liter, > naturally-aspirated cars, and a minumum ride height of 2.5"... > It'd beat those ugly things that they have today... > -- > Kirk Lane > ICQ: 28171652 > BRT #187 > "It goes down the same as a thousand before > No one's gettin' smarter, no one's learnin the score > The never ending spree of death and *** and hate > Is gonna tie your own rope" > -'Come Out And Play', The Offspring

I have to agree the F1 cars today ARE some of the ugliest cars I can remember. Although I can think of many many winged cars that definately have "the look" so I don't necessarily agree that going all the way back to wingless wonders is a good idea, we should at least get back to the days when the car was rounded instead of these square nosed, square hipped travesties. dave henrie

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> ...with lots of stuff on the Goodwood races where Brabham wrecked, and some > good (albeit too few for my tastes :) photos of the cars... > I was thinking...maybe F1 should revert back to wingless, 3-liter, > naturally-aspirated cars, and a minumum ride height of 2.5"... > It'd beat those ugly things that they have today... > -- > Kirk Lane > ICQ: 28171652 > BRT #187 > "It goes down the same as a thousand before > No one's gettin' smarter, no one's learnin the score > The never ending spree of death and *** and hate > Is gonna tie your own rope" > -'Come Out And Play', The Offspring

Jeez, me too! Pretty cars that don't go? Pleasant slow cars? Insert rude noise here. In case no noticed F1 has always been the ultimate racecar of its era. Thankfully there is one place where the best can rise to the top of the podium without penalty. Today if you want mediocrity go watch those nonrelavant popoff valved CART racers. Or perhaps you need a Race Czar to*** with every single racer at every single race ala NASCAR. Give me form by function, F1 and those earthbound (MB excepted...) spacecraft from LeMans any day. 17,000 rpm money burners! Wings and pointy things! Holes, slots, strates, vents and ducting! Let's advance the species baby. A V A S T Right-Wing Conspirator

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You have to realize that the CART rules keep ALL the teams competitive. I saw a news blurb that F1 may require engine manufacturers to provide engines to ALL teams and not just the factory teams. Hopefully that will have the same effect on F1 as the CART rules. I do enjoy a good CART race.... as long as it's not on an oval track. -Andrew

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On the note of F1 not being as good as it used to be....it DEFINATELY isnt. Some (not all) of you Europeans complain about the same guys winning in NASCAR all the time; look at F1, its more or less the Ferrari/McLaren show. Of the last 20 F1 races ive seen i think a driver from one of those two teams has won about 16 of them. <enters dream state>It was alot more exciting when the teams were allowed to innovate...as in the cars didnt all look like they were made by the same person. Go back to the days of the loose restrictions; when 6 wheels on a car was allowed. I want turbo charged engines vs. normally asperaited again. Back to the old 1.5 turbo/3.0 normally asperiated days. I want smaller wings and less grippy tires. When the driver had to do more to hold the car on the track instead of just pointing it in the right direction. I want to see cars with distinct shapes painted in national liveries (though they are going back to that somewhat). I want races at tracks with historical value. Dont build a new track for the USGP...hold it in the streets of Detroit or at Watkins Glen in the hills of upstate New York. Give me Brands Hatch and Silverstone in its old configuation (ok keep Silverstone the same but put Woodcote back in).<wakes up> I know it seems like it will never happen again but i wish it could. Im to young to have lived through those days but i only wish i had. It was truely the golden age of not just F1...but of all motor racing. Chris

In my opinion the Indy F1 track is one of the worst, if not the worst, on next years schedule. I don't like the banks because absolutely nothing will happen on them. The cars are too evenly matched for any passing to occur. The funny thing is, the track designer is very proud of incorporating the banks and the fact that the cars will be on either a bank or a straight for ~30 seconds. Boring. The only good thing about the track, the better seats are not the most expensive. The most expensive seats are with the best view of the straights where ain't nothin' going to happen. -Andrew

In article <[email hidden]>, Mtanker <[email hidden]> wrote: >>I enjoy the modern F1 cars. > >nonrelavant popoff valved CART racers. Or perhaps you need a Race Czar to dick >with every single racer at every single race ala NASCAR. Give me form by Or perhaps you need a series Czar to dick with the entire sport ala Bernie. -- | "Instead of letting the moon be the Bill Mette | gateway to our future, we have let Enteract, Chicago | it become a brief chapter in our [email hidden] | history." - Andrew Chaikin

Mtanker wrote in message <[email hidden]>... <snipped a load of bollocks> Mtanker. Hmmm, rhymes with... Mark Reading, UK

Graeme Nash wrote in message ... >You've not watched a lot of F1 this season, have you? I watch F1 whenever I can (I missed Monaco because my daughter was being born at the time) but I'd say this season has been kept alive more by cock-ups than quality of racing. The European GP was a farce. And if McLaren hadn't been so inept this season (in a sport that claims to be 'the pinnacle') the championship would be over and done with. F1 this year certainly has been good entertainment value but more for the comedy aspect that the racing. Cheers, Mark Reading, UK

I'm sorry, I haven't noticed. Can't watch a F1 parade, er.. "race" without falling asleep. bob

You've not watched a lot of F1 this season, have you? :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

Boy, if that were true, it would be so true. Unfortunately I fear those days are long gone from F1. If a NASCAR or INDY car is silly because there is no point in making a road racing vehicle that big and heavy (who thought that up?) then modern F1 is just as silly in making a proper race car and then restricting track width and wing size and rubber on the ground. I would love to have your spirit but lost it a few years ago. F1 may be the best, but it's also purposefully, consciously less than it could be. Pinnacle? Prototype is looking pretty good. :-) -- Mark Jeangerard www.soundchaserweb.com New Mexico USA Mtanker <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >I enjoy the modern F1 cars. > > Jeez, me too! Pretty cars that don't go? Pleasant slow cars? Insert rude > noise here. In case no noticed F1 has always been the ultimate racecar of its > era. Thankfully there is one place where the best can rise to the top of the > podium without penalty. Today if you want mediocrity go watch those > nonrelavant popoff valved CART racers. Or perhaps you need a Race Czar to dick > with every single racer at every single race ala NASCAR. Give me form by > function, F1 and those earthbound (MB excepted...) spacecraft from LeMans any > day. 17,000 rpm money burners! Wings and pointy things! Holes, slots, > strates, vents and ducting! Let's advance the species baby. > A V A S T Right-Wing Conspirator