N3: Lowe's = Charlotte??

In N3 there isn't C***te Motorspeedway....I mean it's still there but its name is now Lowe's: Why? Stefano

The name was changed last year I believe. Racer X Veteran Sim Racer Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

because Lowe's Home Improvement Stores bought the rights to rename it. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Justin Chase "jcchase". TEN member since November 19,1997 Member of Killerdog Racing. Forever a NASCAR fan. Sim-racing ***. Oh, and Jeff Gordon SUCKS!!!! :-) > In N3 there isn't C***te Motorspeedway....I mean it's still there but its > name is now Lowe's: Why? > Stefano

Because Lowes has a multi year, multi million dollar contact with C***te to rename the track. > In N3 there isn't C***te Motorspeedway....I mean it's still there but its > name is now Lowe's: Why? > Stefano

that's simply awful--another example of the destruction of civic space . . . in 20 years even your own mailbox will be sponsored > Because Lowes has a multi year, multi million dollar contact with C***te > to rename the track.

>In N3 there isn't C***te Motorspeedway....I mean it's still there but its >name is now Lowe's: Why? >Stefano Lowe's threw a bunch of money at the owners of the actual speedway, so they renamed it. Sad state of affairs(commercialism). 3Com Park, Lowe's Speedway, Comerica Park...<sigh> Eldred ___ Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc If all the world's a stage, where is the audience sitting? Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Boy, you got that right. Take all the corporate money out of racing!! Then we can all go to the track and watch the grass grow. Get real! You can't complain about corporate SPONSORSHIP of racing. Well, you can, but getting rid of it would be "cutting off your nose to spite your face." You think those teams would be able to afford to spend millions of dollars a season (per team) to put on such a good show without corporate money? Money for track improvements has to come from somewhere too. I say we should be thanking Lowes and others who sponsor our favorite sports by supporting them. I think I will go buy a shovel from Lowes and a rake from Home Depot right now!! :-) Not to mention buying Blue Bonnet butter and shopping at mall.com, since they are sponsering the races I will attend next weekend! Charlie >that's simply awful--another example of the destruction of civic space . . .

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>in 20 years even your own mailbox will be sponsored >> Because Lowes has a multi year, multi million dollar contact with >C***te >> to rename the track. >> > In N3 there isn't C***te Motorspeedway....I mean it's still there

but >> its >> > name is now Lowe's: Why? >> > Stefano

Funny, seems racing thrived just fine *long before* all this commercialism bullshit. Seems you're more than willing to play along, though, with your shovel & rake purchases. Just another weak-minded sheep following the herd! Blatant commercialism trying to play me for a fool in order to get my money makes me much less likely to buy a product, just out of outrage. Charlie wrote:

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> Boy, you got that right. Take all the corporate money out of racing!! Then > we can all go to the track and watch the grass grow. > > Get real! You can't complain about corporate SPONSORSHIP of racing. Well, > you can, but getting rid of it would be "cutting off your nose to spite your > face." > > You think those teams would be able to afford to spend millions of dollars a > season (per team) to put on such a good show without corporate money? Money > for track improvements has to come from somewhere too. > > I say we should be thanking Lowes and others who sponsor our favorite sports > by supporting them. I think I will go buy a shovel from Lowes and a rake > from Home Depot right now!! :-) > > Not to mention buying Blue Bonnet butter and shopping at mall.com, since > they are sponsering the races I will attend next weekend! > > Charlie > > david karr wrote in message <7tfdc4$eml$[email hidden]>... > >that's simply awful--another example of the destruction of civic space . . > . > > > >in 20 years even your own mailbox will be sponsored > > > > > >Mike Petersen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:7tdtva$ar8$[email hidden]... > >> Because Lowes has a multi year, multi million dollar contact with > >Charlotte > >> to rename the track. > >> > >> Stefano <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:7tdh1f$hds$[email hidden]... > >> > In N3 there isn't Charlotte Motorspeedway....I mean it's still there > but > >> its > >> > name is now Lowe's: Why? > >> > > >> > Stefano > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >

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On Thu, 07 Oct 1999 03:32:29 GMT, "Charlie" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Boy, you got that right. Take all the corporate money out of racing!! Then >we can all go to the track and watch the grass grow. > The best thing I have seen re: stadium renaming has been the switch from Candlestick park to 3com, in which by the time even the announcers started to say 3com (something MNF was having a hard time with even this year) they just played the last Giants game there (and if I am not mistaken last season of NFL too). The new stadium being built is not leased by 3com either, Talk about a waste of money.. Motto being if you by the name to a staduim (speedway etc.) that has been around for 20+ years people wil NOT call it by YOUR new name no matter how hard you beg. My 2c, If a company wants to do this try to incorporate the original name, otherwise you just piss people off and they still call it what they want (candlestick, Charlotte etc.)

>> Would you like your kid to go to "Coca-Cola's Millettville High School"? I wouldn't care if it were named Budweiser High if they got a good education and didn't have to worry about some low-life loser bringing a shotgun to school because he gets picked on in P.E. Dave Casey Casey94 (TEN)

>to the late 60's/early 70's, (remember Richard Petty, Cale Yarborough, Buddy >Baker, etc?) there certainly were tracks built and TV coverage and everything >else. Racing survived. Its how it got to this point. My point is, I'm not Oh really. I don't seem to remember ever seeing a race from Martinsville or Richmond being televised on broadcast TV during those days of the late 60s or early 70s. And there were not many tracks being built in this time frame. As a matter of fact, we began losing tracks (Riverside comes to mind) because the races weren't of much interest to anyone who lived to far away to drive to the races. Now that they're all on television (cable or otherwise) I never miss a Cup race and see most of the BGN races, due solely to the money poured into the sport because of the sponsors. Hell, we even get to watch qualifying and Happy Hour. How many Happy Hours did you get to watch during the 70s? How many people were in the stands at the Bristol spring race of 1980? 30,000? Maybe? Now we see stands filled with 140,000 race fans. Some may think this is bad and being stuck in traffic once a year when the Cuppers come to Vegas might tend to have me agreeing with them. But, I think it's a small price to pay to see great racing almost any week of the year (BRING ON THE WINTER HEAT SERIES!!). >running out to Lowe's or Home Depot just because they sponsor a racing event & >give them my hard-earned money automatically as though I "owe them" for >anything. I owe them nothing. As David Karr put it so well in another post: Nobody says you owe any sponsor anything. I don't shop at Lowes because they sponsor NASCAR so much ( I've gone to Home Depot, long before TS came along). I don't drink Pepsi because Gordon showers the Winner's Circle with it after every win ( I prefer Coke). I don't use Pennzoil, Mobil 1 or Havoline in my truck (Quaker State because I go to Q Lube for oil changes). No, you don't owe the sponsors anything. A little silent thank you for bringing us this sport we love so much would be nice though. Dave Casey Casey94 (TEN)

>Funny, seems racing thrived just fine *long before* all this commercialism >bullshit. Seems you're more than willing to play along, though, with your >shovel & rake purchases. Just another weak-minded sheep following the herd! >Blatant commercialism trying to play me for a fool in order to get my money >makes me much less likely to buy a product, just out of outrage. Seem to thrive, huh? Let's see. Before the sponsorship came along you could buy a ticket to any race on the day of the race at the ticket booth. Let's also talk about the fact that you wouldn't get to see half the races each year because nobody cared to televise them. Hell, even the Busch races are televised now. So if you want to sit there in your log cabin and whine and complain about the sponsors having wrecked the racing game go right ahead. Just reminds me of the losers that sit around all day and cry about how things were so much better back in the fifties and sixties and think that change is the big evil monster of the present day. Dave Casey Casey94 (TEN)

Um, calm down kiddo. Who said anything about taking "all the corporate money out of racing"? I think there's a difference between Mobil or Canon putting a sticker on the side of Nigel Mansell's Williams, and a landmark--one that holds deep meaning for a local community--being renamed for a g*ddamed store. Would you like your kid to go to "Coca-Cola's Millettville High School"? Would you like to see your city named "Intel's Sparkesburg, Virginia"? Or how about Walmartsville? Look at the long trajectory, and maybe you'll acknowledge I have a point at least worth considering;--instead of immediately assuming a defensive knee-jerk reaction. love, DK Charlie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hvUK3.631$[email hidden]... > Boy, you got that right. Take all the corporate money out of racing!!Then > we can all go to the track and watch the grass grow. > > Get real! You can't complain about corporate SPONSORSHIP of racing.Well, > you can, but getting rid of it would be "cutting off your nose to spiteyour > face." > > You think those teams would be able to afford to spend millions of dollarsa > season (per team) to put on such a good show without corporate money?Money > for track improvements has to come from somewhere too. > > I say we should be thanking Lowes and others who sponsor our favoritesports

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> by supporting them. I think I will go buy a shovel from Lowes and a rake > from Home Depot right now!! :-) > > Not to mention buying Blue Bonnet butter and shopping at mall.com, since > they are sponsering the races I will attend next weekend! > > Charlie > > > david karr wrote in message <7tfdc4$eml$[email hidden]>... > >that's simply awful--another example of the destruction of civic space .

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> . > > > >in 20 years even your own mailbox will be sponsored > > > > > >Mike Petersen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:7tdtva$ar8$[email hidden]... > >> Because Lowes has a multi year, multi million dollar contact with > >Charlotte > >> to rename the track. > >> > >> Stefano <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:7tdh1f$hds$[email hidden]... > >> > In N3 there isn't Charlotte Motorspeedway....I mean it's still there > but > >> its > >> > name is now Lowe's: Why? > >> > > >> > Stefano > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >

Sorry David, I wasn't trying to sound like I had lost my cool. :-) I guess I just don't see it your way. It's not "simply awful" or an "example of the destruction of civic space" to me. To me, it's somebody else providing some money so that the sport I like to watch is supported by something other than ticket prices. Going to the races isn't cheap. Building (or improving) a race track is a huge investment, and a track is more than extremely lucky to get a half-dozen major events a year. A major corporation pouring a few million bucks in the pot means that much less that has to be paid for with ticket-price-hikes. Charlie P.S.- If they want to support my children's school, that is okay too :-) I would happily send my children to AT&T High if it improved the education they would get. I would still shop around for my long-distance carrier, but AT&T would be my first choice if their rates were competitive.

Chuck Kandler wrote in message <[email hidden]>... >Funny, seems racing thrived just fine *long before* all this commercialism >bullshit. Seems you're more than willing to play along, though, with your >shovel & rake purchases. Just another weak-minded sheep following theherd! >Blatant commercialism trying to play me for a fool in order to get my money >makes me much less likely to buy a product, just out of outrage. Like I mentioned in a reply to a rather more rational post, I see it as somebody else providing some money so that the sport I like to watch is supported by something other than ticket prices. Going to the races isn't cheap. Building (or improving) a race track is a huge investment, and a track is more than lucky to get a half-dozen major events a year. A major corporation pouring a few million bucks in the pot means that much less that has to be paid for with ticket-price-hikes. In case you hadn't noticed, capitalism and commercialism are what motivate those who sell the things we like to buy. Even racecar sims. Charlie

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> Like I mentioned in a reply to a rather more rational post, I see it > as somebody else providing some money so that the sport I like to > watch is supported by something other than ticket prices. Going to the > races isn't cheap. Building (or improving) a race track is a huge > investment, and a track is more than lucky to get a half-dozen > major events a year. A major corporation pouring a few million bucks in the > pot means that much less that has to be paid for with ticket-price-hikes.

So, that is to say that these things *cannot* be done any other way? Going back to the late 60's/early 70's, (remember Richard Petty, Cale Yarborough, Buddy Baker, etc?) there certainly were tracks built and TV coverage and everything else. Racing survived. Its how it got to this point. My point is, I'm not running out to Lowe's or Home Depot just because they sponsor a racing event & give them my hard-earned money automatically as though I "owe them" for anything. I owe them nothing. As David Karr put it so well in another post: > Would you like your kid to go to "Coca-Cola's Millettville High School"? > Would you like to see your city named "Intel's Sparkesburg, Virginia"? Or > how about Walmartsville? > Now do you get the idea? > > > In case you hadn't noticed, capitalism and commercialism are what motivate > those who sell the things we like to buy. Even racecar sims. You are 100% right. That doesn't mean its a good thing, however. ;-) -- Chuck Kandler #70 ChuckK on Won.net K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX!

"The curse of commercialism is the ruin of sport, and the degeneracy of motor racing as a sport is due to the financial issues now involved. The charm disappears, and I can see in the near future the sporting element obliterated altogether by the all-devouring monster of commercialism - the curse of the twentieth century..." Charles Jarrot, 1905

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> "The curse of commercialism is the ruin of sport, and the degeneracy of > motor racing as a sport is due to the financial issues now involved. The > charm disappears, and I can see in the near future the sporting element > obliterated altogether by the all-devouring monster of commercialism - the > curse of the twentieth century..." > > Charles Jarrot, 1905

LMAO! I like you, at least you do some digging & don't just come up with mindless banter. This quote really seems amusing in light of the massive differences from that time until now. But even he, in his day, saw how evil and all-encompassing this commercialism thing can come to be. I'd disagree with him on one point, though. I don't see it *killing* the sport of motor racing, just making it much less enjoyable with everything turned into a commercial. I suppose the younger folks don't mind it much, having been raised on TV. I've watched 4 races in the last 2 years on TV, and haven't watched anything else on it. Can't stand the insulting commercials & the way they seem to feel that everybody is just a mindless idiot. So I've pulled the plug on it. The wife occasionally watches the news on it, but otherwise its just another piece of furniture. Point being, not everybody enjoys the cheap advertising gimmicks of some of these large companies and there can be negative as well as positive impacts upon any company for making such decisions. How many will finally get fed up with it & turn off racing much as I did with the home TV, by just not attending anymore? Its a sad day when you can't even enjoy a simple race because everybody is so preoccupied with picking your pocket for their own greedy corporate gain. 'Nuff said. -- Chuck Kandler #70 ChuckK on Won.net K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX!

What civic space? This isn't your typical basketball arena or football stadium that the owners of such whine and pout about until the municipalities pay for them. These structures are paid for by the men who decide to build them such as Bruton Smith or the France family. Seems to me that if they want to sell the naming rights to anyone then that is their right. You didn't pay for the construction of the track. Bill Bennett built the Las Vegas Motor Speedway complex here in my hometown without any money from the city or county except for that that which would normally be expended in granting zoning approval. Dave Casey Casey94 (TEN)