TNT2 OpenGL for GPL?

Enough acronyms for ya? I'm considering swapping my current Monster Fusion for a TNT2 card but want to make sure GPL will still be playable. I would appreciate any comments regarding GPL performance with a TNT2 card and the OpenGL beta (rastOGL I think). Rich

Yea, it's playable alright, if you forget the mirrors. But if GPL's your priority then maybe you'd like to rethink that move. --- Antti Markus Peteri 15 miles. your dim light shines from so far away - Soul Asylum, Promises Broken

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>> Enough acronyms for ya? I'm considering swapping my current Monster >> Fusion for a TNT2 card but want to make sure GPL will still be >> playable. I would appreciate any comments regarding GPL performance >> with a TNT2 card and the OpenGL beta (rastOGL I think). >Yea, it's playable alright, if you forget the mirrors. But if GPL's your >priority then maybe you'd like to rethink that move.

Rearview mirrors are broken alright. Better stick to voodoo. I have both a creative labs TNT2 and voodoo 2. The voodoo works much better with GPL. But then again the TNT kicks the voodoo's ass in other games. You can get a voodoo 2 real cheap these days. Why not get both?

And both my TNT2 Ultra are far superior in GPL to my Voodoo2 SLI combo. :) Heck, even gave better more stable framerates than the Voodoo3 3000 I had. But, yes, mirror implementation is not good at all.

I just did this exact thing. You will need the patch for TNT2. Be prepaired, the graphics aren't even close to what the Rendition provided. It was beautiful at 800x600 with rendition. Smooth frame rates. Not any more. The OpenGL didn't seem to speed frame rate any. My Dell PII 300, 128 ram, TNT2 Ultra dosen't have close to enough horsepower to run the sim!! About 14 fps... -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler

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>I just did this exact thing. You will need the patch for TNT2. >Be prepaired, the graphics aren't even close to what the Rendition >provided. It was beautiful at 800x600 with rendition. >Smooth frame rates. Not any more. >The OpenGL didn't seem to speed frame rate any. >My Dell PII 300, 128 ram, TNT2 Ultra dosen't have close to >enough horsepower to run the sim!!

i think you'll find, it's the GPL code which can't utilise opengl correctly.. Please remove my_pants from my email address when replying.

TNT2/SB Live/P3 550. Hot lapping I get maximum frame rates at all times with max graphics at 1024*768. In a race with as few as 8 other cars I get serious slow downs in the first turn and noticable slowing when in the company of even 3 or 4 other cars during the race, at max graphic settings. Mirror are completely useless. If GPL is important to you then go top end Voodoo. Unless(fingers crossed) the OpenGL Beta batch becomes more than just beta and actually fixes the mirror problem, but I haven't heard that they are doing any more work on it, other than blaming the problem on Nvidia. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C.

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>>I just did this exact thing. You will need the patch for TNT2. >>Be prepaired, the graphics aren't even close to what the Rendition >>provided. It was beautiful at 800x600 with rendition. >>Smooth frame rates. Not any more. >>The OpenGL didn't seem to speed frame rate any. >>My Dell PII 300, 128 ram, TNT2 Ultra dosen't have close to >>enough horsepower to run the sim!! >i think you'll find, it's the GPL code which can't utilise opengl correctly..

How do you know? Papy says it's an unoptimized function (the one they use to copy textures from behind the car to the mirrors) in the TNT OpenGL drivers. Nvidia says they're looking into it. If future OpenGL drivers (from Nvidia or someone else) can run the current OpenGL GPL patch with full-speed mirrors, then we'll know that Papy was right. If Papy releases a patch that fixes the problem then we'll know that Papy was wrong. If we're still playing GPL in a couple of years when computers are enough faster to fix the problem for us, then we won't care. Until then, who knows? I tend to believe Papy until I see evidence to the contrary. They usually know what they're doing. Anyway, my P2-333 (overclocked to 412) with 64 MB and a TNT1 was enough to run OpenGL GPL fine, except for the mirrors. So I think the original poster should be able to get decent performance on his system with some tweaking. -- spamgard(tm): To email me, put "geek" in your Subject line.

If you expected GPL to run somehow better with OGL, there's something terribly wrong with you. But if you're getting only 14 fps on average, there's something TERRIBLY wrong with your system and it ain't your TNT2. A mere vanilla TNT easily OpenGL section) in GPL when mirror refresh rate is reduced to 1/8. Yea, the mirrors absolutely SUCK with OGL renderer as everyone ought to know by now. Other than that, it works quite flawlessly and it looks quite nice too as can be seen from these shots: http://www.tol.oulu.fi/~midpro/GPLshots.html That said, TNTs are hardly the optimal solution for GPL. If you're only into GPL, there's no freakin' reason for you to go for TNT. I myself enjoy GPL immensely but also play several other games - most of which are D3D - in addition to some 3D modeling. I chose TNT and later TNT2 and haven't looked back. If you regret your decision, as it would seem, then getting a TNT2 was obviously a bad choice in your case. --- Antti Markus Peteri 15 miles. your dim light shines from so far away - Soul Asylum, Promises Broken

Thanks for all the objective responses to the original post. Just ordered a Voodoo3. Rich

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> >Enough acronyms for ya? I'm considering swapping my current Monster > >Fusion for a TNT2 card but want to make sure GPL will still be > >playable. I would appreciate any comments regarding GPL performance > >with a TNT2 card and the OpenGL beta (rastOGL I think). > >Rich > TNT2/SB Live/P3 550. Hot lapping I get maximum frame rates at all > times with max graphics at 1024*768. In a race with as few as 8 other cars I > get serious slow downs > in the first turn and noticable slowing when in the company of even 3 or 4 > other cars during the race, at max graphic settings. Mirror are completely > useless. If GPL is important to you then go top end Voodoo. > Unless(fingers crossed) the OpenGL Beta batch becomes more than just beta > and actually fixes the mirror problem, but I haven't heard that they are > doing any more work on it, other than blaming the problem on Nvidia. > -- > Don Scurlock > Vancouver,B.C.

Should have waited a few months and gotten a Voodoo4, uh wait..a Napalm. :) > Thanks for all the objective responses to the original post. Just ordered a > Voodoo3. > Rich

I did not want to wait until next spring for Voodoo4 and picked up the retail Voodoo3 3000 for $65 delivered from valueamerica.com. Gotta love web shopping. > Should have waited a few months and gotten a Voodoo4, uh wait..a Napalm. :) > > Thanks for all the objective responses to the original post. Just ordered

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> a > > Voodoo3. > > Rich > > > >Enough acronyms for ya? I'm considering swapping my current Monster > > > >Fusion for a TNT2 card but want to make sure GPL will still be > > > >playable. I would appreciate any comments regarding GPL performance > > > >with a TNT2 card and the OpenGL beta (rastOGL I think). > > > >Rich > > > TNT2/SB Live/P3 550. Hot lapping I get maximum frame rates at all > > > times with max graphics at 1024*768. In a race with as few as 8 other > cars I > > > get serious slow downs > > > in the first turn and noticable slowing when in the company of even 3

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> 4 > > > other cars during the race, at max graphic settings. Mirror are > completely > > > useless. If GPL is important to you then go top end Voodoo. > > > Unless(fingers crossed) the OpenGL Beta batch becomes more than just > beta > > > and actually fixes the mirror problem, but I haven't heard that they > are > > > doing any more work on it, other than blaming the problem on Nvidia. > > > -- > > > Don Scurlock > > > Vancouver,B.C.

Few months? More like half a year. Wishkah > Should have waited a few months and gotten a Voodoo4, uh wait..a Napalm. :) > > Thanks for all the objective responses to the original post. Just ordered

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> a > > Voodoo3. > > Rich > > > >Enough acronyms for ya? I'm considering swapping my current Monster > > > >Fusion for a TNT2 card but want to make sure GPL will still be > > > >playable. I would appreciate any comments regarding GPL performance > > > >with a TNT2 card and the OpenGL beta (rastOGL I think). > > > >Rich > > > TNT2/SB Live/P3 550. Hot lapping I get maximum frame rates at all > > > times with max graphics at 1024*768. In a race with as few as 8 other > cars I > > > get serious slow downs > > > in the first turn and noticable slowing when in the company of even 3

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> 4 > > > other cars during the race, at max graphic settings. Mirror are > completely > > > useless. If GPL is important to you then go top end Voodoo. > > > Unless(fingers crossed) the OpenGL Beta batch becomes more than just > beta > > > and actually fixes the mirror problem, but I haven't heard that they > are > > > doing any more work on it, other than blaming the problem on Nvidia. > > > -- > > > Don Scurlock > > > Vancouver,B.C.

Yeah, I probably forgot it was pushed back.

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> Few months? More like half a year. > Wishkah > > Should have waited a few months and gotten a Voodoo4, uh wait..a Napalm. > :) > > > Thanks for all the objective responses to the original post. Just > ordered > > a > > > Voodoo3. > > > Rich > > > > >Enough acronyms for ya? I'm considering swapping my current

Monster > > > > >Fusion for a TNT2 card but want to make sure GPL will still be > > > > >playable. I would appreciate any comments regarding GPL performance > > > > >with a TNT2 card and the OpenGL beta (rastOGL I think). > > > > >Rich > > > > TNT2/SB Live/P3 550. Hot lapping I get maximum frame rates at all > > > > times with max graphics at 1024*768. In a race with as few as 8 other > > cars I > > > > get serious slow downs > > > > in the first turn and noticable slowing when in the company of even 3

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> or > > 4 > > > > other cars during the race, at max graphic settings. Mirror are > > completely > > > > useless. If GPL is important to you then go top end Voodoo. > > > > Unless(fingers crossed) the OpenGL Beta batch becomes more than just > > beta > > > > and actually fixes the mirror problem, but I haven't heard that

they > > are > > > > doing any more work on it, other than blaming the problem on Nvidia. > > > > -- > > > > Don Scurlock > > > > Vancouver,B.C.

On Tue, 05 Oct 1999 01:52:41 -0400, Gary DeRetard <[email hidden]> wrote: > the TNT kicks the voodoo's ass in other games. >You can get a voodoo 2 real cheap these days. Why not get both? Do you find the V2 pass through cable destroys some of the excellent video quality you can get from the TNT2 on its own? (you might need to remove the cable to see if you can spot the difference). I'm considering the TNT2 with a V2 so I am interested in what you find. -- Bryn