Minour glitches w/N3 (also what bugs me)

Papy, Papy, Papy. Why do you do this to us... -a back wheel missing? no problem, smoke and skid marks come out as usual -the F1 info window saying you have zero laps to go when your on your last lap -lack of body roll/suspension movement, in real life on some tracks i've seen the cars with a stationary ride hight of 8 inches then at top speed the rear end almost/is bottoming out -invincible pace car, ... i play with realistic damage, so should it -can't lock the brakes when you hammer them, thats just not right -i thinck tyre marks should be able to be left on the wall, if you tried real hard in GPL the game would put them there (in mid air as well) -what else... oh the pit lanes, why not straight, EA got them, CPR *shudder* got them -and finaly, nice pit crew, how exactly do they change the tyres? and why are we in the last pit box every time?

back wheel missing? yeah always thought that was strange at least there is 'some' body roll now who cares no biggy this is not GPL i still dont understand what people mean by this... :) last pit box all the time kinda sucks. as for the pit crew it would be neat to see them run around the car doing a pit stop but i imagine that would take some real work to include and would wreak havoc on computer resources Skotty Flynn webmaster - http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com "skotty" on TEN and WON

This should be all considered by them when developing the much needed patch... -- Oliver Nikolic BeoRocket Racing Team (retired) http://www.beorocket.co.yu/

The wheels fly off the cars during crashes sometimes. The game acts as if they're still there, displaying smoke and such. In real life tires rarely come completely off and when they do the car will tilt and rub the ground. In the game the car stays perfectly level as if all four tires were still there, you simply can't steer the car very well. The brakes should lock. That's an important part of any driving sim. Pace car?***it. Put a box there in it's place. Get it on the track when necessary, get it off on restarts. Don't need any more than that. Animated pit crew? No. Nice eye candy during the first few stops, but the novelty would wear off quick. I just want slightly more control of my crew (be able to change tires individually, in particular), but I don't need to see them. In real life tracks have straight pit lanes, except Martinsville. Many of the pit lanes in the game, especially on the short tracks, are curved. We want to see them straight. Not as big a deal as locking brakes, but it'd be nice.

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> >Papy, Papy, Papy. Why do you do this to us... > >-a back wheel missing? no problem, smoke and skid marks come out as > >usual > back wheel missing? > >-the F1 info window saying you have zero laps to go when your on your > >last lap > yeah always thought that was strange

[] that would take some real work to include and would wreak havoc on > computer resources > Skotty Flynn > webmaster - http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com > "skotty" on TEN and WON

My God, Sounds like you need a highly graphic demolition GAME instead of an accurate RACING SIMULATOR! There's more whining here than my 8 week old daughter! H-H

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> Papy, Papy, Papy. Why do you do this to us... > -a back wheel missing? no problem, smoke and skid marks come out as > usual > -the F1 info window saying you have zero laps to go when your on your > last lap > -lack of body roll/suspension movement, in real life on some tracks i've > seen the cars with a stationary ride hight of 8 inches then at top > speed the rear end almost/is bottoming out > -invincible pace car, ... i play with realistic damage, so should it > -can't lock the brakes when you hammer them, thats just not right > -i thinck tyre marks should be able to be left on the wall, if you tried > real hard in GPL the game would put them there (in mid air as well) > -what else... oh the pit lanes, why not straight, EA got them, CPR > *shudder* got them > -and finaly, nice pit crew, how exactly do they change the tyres? and > why are we in the last pit box every time?

These are issues that have been with the N2 family for years. I don't see a "patch" fixing them. As for the F1 window. Don't think of it as telling you what lap your on., but how many after you finish that lap are left. So if you are on the last lap, then you have zero "more" to finish. The cars that bottom out are often 'set soft' for the big tracks like Daytona for Qualifying. They will purposely put in a very soft set of rear springs to try and get the back down at speed so that the spoiler is not producing so much drag. What are ya doing hitting the pace car for :> And the pit crew?? well "perhaps" they are soooo fast you just can't see'm... :) or perhaps your windshield is getting scrubbed and you just can't see'm...or perhaps you just can't see'm! dave henrie

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> This should be all considered by them when developing the much needed > patch... > -- > Oliver Nikolic > BeoRocket Racing Team (retired) > http://www.beorocket.co.yu/ > > Papy, Papy, Papy. Why do you do this to us... > > -a back wheel missing? no problem, smoke and skid marks come out as > > usual > > -the F1 info window saying you have zero laps to go when your on your > > last lap > > -lack of body roll/suspension movement, in real life on some tracks i've > > seen the cars with a stationary ride hight of 8 inches then at top > > speed the rear end almost/is bottoming out > > -invincible pace car, ... i play with realistic damage, so should it > > -can't lock the brakes when you hammer them, thats just not right > > -i thinck tyre marks should be able to be left on the wall, if you tried > > real hard in GPL the game would put them there (in mid air as well) > > -what else... oh the pit lanes, why not straight, EA got them, CPR > > *shudder* got them > > -and finaly, nice pit crew, how exactly do they change the tyres? and > > why are we in the last pit box every time?

Yeah they do this on purpose <vbg> Nascar Racing 3 does not have a full-3d***pit like GPL, there is no need for a 2d-wheel inside a 2d-cockpit, there is no feel of sensation like the 3d-cockpit in GPL. Just try an old racing game to understand (like hmm.. GrandPrix on AMIGA eh). Well that's true, you have no more full laps to do when you get the white flag. <yawn> N3 does not use the GPL game engine and I doubt the old engine has the capability to do so. It's a AI limitation, the game engine can easily create straight pitroads but the AI can't pit when it's that, it has to be in a arc with the curved straight (only on tracks that have curved frontstretch). <yawn> who cares ? They do the work, that's fine for me :) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I forgot two things, -the night lights suck, i hate to admit it but EA scored with SCGT and revultion and there dynamic lighting or what ever its called -doughnuts... you would think papy could change the physics model enough to stop the revolution a second. and before anyone shrugs this one off, at top speed i belive that, not to sure i real life but, when you go lock to lock floor it you should be able to spin around. by this, it would show the better physics i agree that pace car and the pit crew are not at all vital to the game. but for a much anticipated game i expected more, especualy because other sims have already done it. and to hitch-hiker in preticular, i'm a realism person, viva GPL, ie. at monza i would have the second fasts lap time posted in the fast lane for the lotus, if they were excepting them. 1:28.38, low and stiff (btw, that IS with out rail riding)

Why would you change just one tire when you can change the both tires on that side in the same amount of time?. Heres my idea. What we would need, would be two programs that can be used together. A race game / Crew Chief game. We'll use NASCAR as the example, but could be done in all type of motor sports. If you wanted, you could just race like we do now, having the ability to make all of the adjustments on your own, or have a friend be your crew chief. He would be using the Crew Chief side of the game. The key would be the two games could link together. He would be able to watch the race from different camera angles and prep for the next pit stop. Telling the system what he wanted to do to the car during the next stop. A little more indepth then what you are currently acustom to right know. The driver would have to tell the CC what the car was doing. They would have to communicate! In fact the CC could even be the Drivers spotter. When a actual pit stop happened, then the CC could have the option of controlling one of the crew members. Not the actual running around the car, but guiding the air wrench or something like that. Oh, when you race this way, all of the F1-F9 keys would be disabled. You would have to rely totaly on your CC for that information. Just an idea... You can fill in the rest. Thad

Shaun, All eye candy. (exept for the "hammering the brakes"). Straight pits would be nice.

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>Papy, Papy, Papy. Why do you do this to us... >-a back wheel missing? no problem, smoke and skid marks come out as >usual >-the F1 info window saying you have zero laps to go when your on your >last lap >-lack of body roll/suspension movement, in real life on some tracks i've >seen the cars with a stationary ride hight of 8 inches then at top >speed the rear end almost/is bottoming out >-invincible pace car, ... i play with realistic damage, so should it >-can't lock the brakes when you hammer them, thats just not right >-i thinck tyre marks should be able to be left on the wall, if you tried >real hard in GPL the game would put them there (in mid air as well) >-what else... oh the pit lanes, why not straight, EA got them, CPR >*shudder* got them >-and finaly, nice pit crew, how exactly do they change the tyres? and >why are we in the last pit box every time?

The one I hat is how your graphics change to what the host has set his to, and then you need to go back into your menu and change it. Ex

I think that one has been solved. It happens when you're chatting to someone and you use your number keys, like, "Hey #32, nice lap". You hit 3 and 2, thereby turning on/off Clouds and Trackside objects. Zog > The one I hat is how your graphics change to what the host has set his > to, and then you need to go back into your menu and change it.

% > -what else... oh the pit lanes, why not straight, EA got them, CPR % > *shudder* got them % It's a AI limitation, the game engine can easily create straight pitroads % but the AI can't pit when it's that, it has to be in a arc with the curved % straight (only on tracks that have curved frontstretch). The AI files include a separate file just for the pits and it could have them driving straight if possible. However, there is a minor tie to the track design and the AI files. The way Papy has NASCAR/ICR/GPL programmed for AI, the "length" of the track must be equal for all AI files. A straight pit lane when the track curves greatly would make for an unequal length for the pit AI files. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Yes that's true, I was obviously generalizing the situation. Since for the AI a straight pit is actually curved, if I remember correctly the algorithm in the LP files just can't correctly gap the AI in a parabola. So like you said AI cars would be bunched up in the center of the pits. Implementing a new AI engine with the LP files and actually X-Y coordinates for each pit stall probably could be possible, but Im not sure they wanted to venture in that way like they did for GPL :) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."