Warping in N3 online Play

Hi Guys, Fired up the new copy of N3 last evening, and tonight, and tried online play with is. I'm getting warping to the point that I don't see any other cars on the track for long periods of time, and some of the cars that are getting shown on the track, are running the outside grove with the nose into the wall all of the way around. Its no fun for me this way, and I'm sure I'm not making friends with the other online players, it has to be wreaking havoc on them... Is this warping due to the fact that I'm trying to connect through AOL, is the connections through them not up to par?? The most frustrating thing, why no computer to computer modem hook up, even to play against my friends, I have to use the network?? It looks like back to N99 when I want to multiplay with my buddy, and for solo play, n3... Steve S

That's an understatement. I'd rather die than take up AOL as my provider. No offense to you, but AOL stinks. That's why a lot of people use it: advertising has fooled them into thinking that one, all this web stuff is confusing; and two, that somehow AOL will save the users from the nasties of the world. Both of these assumptions are false. But what is true is the fact that AOL stinks for most everything, including online racing. I've had my say. :) Alanb

>Is this warping due to the fact that I'm trying to connect through AOL, is the >connections through them not up to par?? Yes... is the answer. Do NOT use AOL to race. BTW - I use earthlink.net Bill / Amish on Team Brickyard

If you can get Cable Modem in your area you will experience much better online ***.

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> Hi Guys, > Fired up the new copy of N3 last evening, and tonight, and tried online play > with is. I'm getting warping to the point that I don't see any other cars on > the track for long periods of time, and some of the cars that are getting shown > on the track, are running the outside grove with the nose into the wall all of > the way around. Its no fun for me this way, and I'm sure I'm not making > friends with the other online players, it has to be wreaking havoc on them... > Is this warping due to the fact that I'm trying to connect through AOL, is the > connections through them not up to par?? The most frustrating thing, why no > computer to computer modem hook up, even to play against my friends, I have to > use the network?? > It looks like back to N99 when I want to multiplay with my buddy, and for solo > play, n3... > Steve S

The problem comes when people with 56k modems try to play these games multiplayer. They just don't have enough bandwidth. These games only play well on Cable, ISDN, ADSL, etc. Highspeed connections! When high speed users log on to one of these hosted games with a low ping, they're usually populated with slow 56k users that warp all over the place.

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>If you can get Cable Modem in your area you will experience much better online >***. >> Hi Guys, >> Fired up the new copy of N3 last evening, and tonight, and tried online play >> with is. I'm getting warping to the point that I don't see any other cars on >> the track for long periods of time, and some of the cars that are getting shown >> on the track, are running the outside grove with the nose into the wall all of >> the way around. Its no fun for me this way, and I'm sure I'm not making >> friends with the other online players, it has to be wreaking havoc on them... >> Is this warping due to the fact that I'm trying to connect through AOL, is the >> connections through them not up to par?? The most frustrating thing, why no >> computer to computer modem hook up, even to play against my friends, I have to >> use the network?? >> It looks like back to N99 when I want to multiplay with my buddy, and for solo >> play, n3... >> Steve S

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> >Is this warping due to the fact that I'm trying to connect through AOL, is > the > >connections through them not up to par?? > That's an understatement. I'd rather die than take up AOL as my provider. > No offense to you, but AOL stinks. That's why a lot of people use it: > advertising has fooled them into thinking that one, all this web stuff is > confusing; and two, that somehow AOL will save the users from the nasties of > the world. Both of these assumptions are false. But what is true is the > fact that AOL stinks for most everything, including online racing. > I've had my say. :) > Alanb

the AOLers that I talk to believe 100% that AOL *IS* the internet! For some reason I can't convince them that AOL is just one way to get on to the Internet. One other thing is when I mention the many search engines, they swear that AOL is the only place that has search engines. It's fun to talk to them sometimes just trying to explain what the Internet is ;-) -- ========================================= Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing? ========================================= http://members.xoom.com/BarlowRacing/ Racing online with the help of...... Race Communications Association Holodyne Engineering Mystic Music (have Your !!Name/Address!! placed here)

Sorry, but I do not agree here. A well setup DUN, even at 33.6, will provide good online play. You will never be able to host 20 clients but for joining, it can be very good. Just ask the experts, right Ron ? But then again, lets not get into another one of those endless thread, PE LEASE ! =:-D

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> The problem comes when people with 56k modems try to play these games > multiplayer. They just don't have enough bandwidth. These games only > play well on Cable, ISDN, ADSL, etc. Highspeed connections! When high > speed users log on to one of these hosted games with a low ping, > they're usually populated with slow 56k users that warp all over the > place. > >If you can get Cable Modem in your area you will experience much better

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> >***. > >> Hi Guys, > >> Fired up the new copy of N3 last evening, and tonight, and tried online

play > >> with is. I'm getting warping to the point that I don't see any other cars on > >> the track for long periods of time, and some of the cars that are getting shown > >> on the track, are running the outside grove with the nose into the wall all of > >> the way around. Its no fun for me this way, and I'm sure I'm not making > >> friends with the other online players, it has to be wreaking havoc on them... > >> Is this warping due to the fact that I'm trying to connect through AOL, is the > >> connections through them not up to par?? The most frustrating thing, why no > >> computer to computer modem hook up, even to play against my friends, I have to > >> use the network?? > >> It looks like back to N99 when I want to multiplay with my buddy, and for solo > >> play, n3... > >> Steve S

I always love these posts about how clients who use analogue modems can't race on line properly. Max, you don't have a single clue what you are talking about here.!! If you had of said for hosting purposes, i would agree with you, but to say a 56k modem doesn't have enough bandwidth to play a multiplayer game, is not even worth commenting on... I guess i better take my 56K modem, which i have capped at 26400 and never attempt to play another, "warp free", on-line game in GPL or N3 to the USA from Australia... I feel much better now that i have been educated in on-line *** issues. Cheers, Ron

There are some problems generally, but AoL sucks so badly at just about everything that I would start there (by finding a real ISP) to cure your problem. Marc.

I'm one of those lowly 56k users...since cable isn't offered here yet. I am curious about something and maybe someone here can shed some light on it. When I race on VROC, I must cap my modem at 33.6, turn down the buffers to low, turn off error control to get a stable connection. BUT, after much trial and error, I find my connection for N3 online racing through the WON servers is best when I use my normal web surfing settings. . . default buffers, error control, normal speed (best so far is 50.6kbps, avg 49.9kbps). I have streemlined my DUN using PPP-Boost, and use the recommendes mtu's as set by my ISP. I enjoy stable connections and latencys, usually in the .08~.13 range, with good quality. Any thoughts on this topic. > Sorry, but I do not agree here. A well setup DUN, even at 33.6, will > provide good online play. You will never be able to host 20 clients but for

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> joining, it can be very good. Just ask the experts, right Ron ? > But then again, lets not get into another one of those endless thread, PE > LEASE ! > =:-D > > The problem comes when people with 56k modems try to play these games > > multiplayer. They just don't have enough bandwidth. These games only > > play well on Cable, ISDN, ADSL, etc. Highspeed connections! When high > > speed users log on to one of these hosted games with a low ping, > > they're usually populated with slow 56k users that warp all over the > > place. > > >If you can get Cable Modem in your area you will experience much better > online > > >***. > > >> Hi Guys, > > >> Fired up the new copy of N3 last evening, and tonight, and tried

online > play > > >> with is. I'm getting warping to the point that I don't see any other > cars on > > >> the track for long periods of time, and some of the cars that are > getting shown > > >> on the track, are running the outside grove with the nose into the wall

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> all of > > >> the way around. Its no fun for me this way, and I'm sure I'm not > making > > >> friends with the other online players, it has to be wreaking havoc on > them... > > >> Is this warping due to the fact that I'm trying to connect through

AOL, > is the > > >> connections through them not up to par?? The most frustrating thing, > why no > > >> computer to computer modem hook up, even to play against my friends, I

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> have to > > >> use the network?? > > >> It looks like back to N99 when I want to multiplay with my buddy, and > for solo > > >> play, n3... > > >> Steve S

To the 56k user, it may appear nice and smooth and of course not notice himself warping, but to the highspeed user (Cable, ISDN, ADSL, etc), the 56k player will warp like crazy.

Hi Ron, remember me? Just to support you here, we have a player in our N3 league who connects with a 33.6, and he's rock solid all race. You are correct, it comes down to the quality and consistancy of the connection, not modem speed or latency. I have seen the light! (But I'm keeping my cable modem) Zog

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> I always love these posts about how clients who use analogue modems > can't race on line properly. > Max, you don't have a single clue what you are talking about here.!! > If you had of said for hosting purposes, i would agree with you, but to > say a 56k modem doesn't have enough bandwidth to play a multiplayer > game, is not even worth commenting on... > I guess i better take my 56K modem, which i have capped at 26400 and > never attempt to play another, "warp free", on-line game in GPL or N3 > to the USA from Australia... > I feel much better now that i have been educated in on-line *** > issues. > Cheers, > Ron > > The problem comes when people with 56k modems try to play these games > > multiplayer. They just don't have enough bandwidth. These games > only > > play well on Cable, ISDN, ADSL, etc. Highspeed connections! When > high > > speed users log on to one of these hosted games with a low ping, > > they're usually populated with slow 56k users that warp all over the > > place. > > >If you can get Cable Modem in your area you will experience much > better online > > >***.

> To the 56k user, it may appear nice and smooth and of course not > notice himself warping, but to the highspeed user (Cable, ISDN, ADSL, > etc), the 56k player will warp like crazy. Wrong! I've been hosting several races every night using a cable modem. Have met tons of good racers with excellent connections and most are on 56k modems, many set to 33.6k to make it more solid. I've seen cable modem users warping just as bad as any 56k user. Even had a -->few<-- using the dreaded AOL ISP with out any problems, and a guy in Australia with a perfect 56k connect. So, where are you getting this MaX?? Hitch-Hiker

LOL, hi Doug, Good to hear from you... I have just joined a USA based N3 league too, with my 56k modem capped to 26400 and so far i have had excellent and warp free connections to USA from Australia in N3 with my poor little analogue modem. :)) (my average pings through Won are .300 to .400 ) I just wish i could also get a cable, as it would be good to be able to do some hosting as well.!!! You won't get any argument out of me on that issue Doug. <G> It would be good to be able to host races etc.. but unfotunately, living in the dark ages down here in Australia, that is just wishfull thinking at this stage.. Cheers, Ron

Hey Doug, Geoff here. Our "boys" tell me that my connect seem solid as well. With a 33.6 modem that is. So unless they are just making me feel good, I would agree. :-)

Wrong Max, As someone who is on a high-speed connection and has hosted or raced against Ron and other analogue drivers I can say that your full of BS. Ron and the majority of other drivers that have followed is DUN suggestions are often less warpy and have better connections than high speed users. The only problem they have is that they can't host. If you'd like to see Ron's suggestions they are on my site under the utilities section. -- Thanks Michael Horton Webmaster of http://www.bus.nait.ab.ca/staff/mikeh/gpl/ Home of the F2/F3 Hotlaps and [link lost in import] HTML for Begineers