Nascar Zone closed due to spat with IWCCCARS?

I see that the cars at Nascar Zone (http://www.fortunecity.com/underworld/hiscore/92/ have been pulled because of a controversy with IWCCCARS. It says that IWCCCARS claims that dude stole all their cars, but what's funny to me, I don't see any N3 cars posted at IWCCCARS. Whattup?

It wasn't the cars so much as the decals that were used on the cars. I guess the IWCCCARS guys were upset that their decals were used on the cars then posted without permission. That's my understanding of it anyway. I could be wrong, it's happened before <G> -- Thanks Michael Horton Webmaster of http://www.bus.nait.ab.ca/staff/mikeh/gpl/ Home of the F2/F3 Hotlaps and http://www.bus.nait.ab.ca/staff/mikeh/html/ HTML for Begineers

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> It wasn't the cars so much as the decals that were used on the cars. I guess > the IWCCCARS guys were upset that their decals were used on the cars then > posted without permission. That's my understanding of it anyway. I could be > wrong, it's happened before <G> > -- > Thanks > Michael Horton > Webmaster of > http://www.bus.nait.ab.ca/staff/mikeh/gpl/ > Home of the F2/F3 Hotlaps > and > http://www.bus.nait.ab.ca/staff/mikeh/html/ > HTML for Begineers > > I see that the cars at Nascar Zone > > (http://www.fortunecity.com/underworld/hiscore/92/) have been pulled > because > > of a controversy with IWCCCARS. It says that IWCCCARS claims that dude > > stole all their cars, but what's funny to me, I don't see any N3 cars > posted > > at IWCCCARS. Whattup?

This drives me crazy. A week and a half after N3's release, NASCAR zone was the only site with an almost complete carset, and IWCCCARS gets their panties in a wad because someone used their decals. Please. I know they got their feelings hurt because someone used something they created without mentioning them. To me, the decals are an insignificant part of the car. I thought we were a community looking to provide the best sim racing experience possible. If this is the way they want to be, I won't go to their site or download their cars. -- When I die, I hope they bury me at Wal-Mart so my wife will visit me everyday.

If this is truly the case, I gotta sympathize with IWCC. If I spent a lot of hours coming up with a bunch of new decals, only to find someone else has grabbed them, used them on his cars, and then posted the whole thing as his without any mention whatsoever of my involvement, I think my panties would be fairly bunched up too. Credit where credit is due, it's not too much to ask. Zog

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> > It wasn't the cars so much as the decals that were used on the cars. I guess > > the IWCCCARS guys were upset that their decals were used on the cars then > > posted without permission. That's my understanding of it anyway. I could be > > wrong, it's happened before <G> > > -- > > Thanks > > Michael Horton > > Webmaster of > > http://www.bus.nait.ab.ca/staff/mikeh/gpl/ > > Home of the F2/F3 Hotlaps > > and > > http://www.bus.nait.ab.ca/staff/mikeh/html/ > > HTML for Begineers > > > I see that the cars at Nascar Zone > > > (http://www.fortunecity.com/underworld/hiscore/92/) have been pulled > > because > > > of a controversy with IWCCCARS. It says that IWCCCARS claims that dude > > > stole all their cars, but what's funny to me, I don't see any N3 cars > > posted > > > at IWCCCARS. Whattup? > This drives me crazy. A week and a half after N3's release, > NASCAR zone was the only site with an almost complete carset, and > IWCCCARS gets their panties in a wad because someone used their decals. > Please. I know they got their feelings hurt because someone used > something they created without mentioning them. To me, the decals are an > insignificant part of the car. > I thought we were a community looking to provide the best sim > racing experience possible. If this is the way they want to be, I won't > go to their site or download their cars. > -- > When I die, I hope they bury me at Wal-Mart so my wife will visit me > everyday.

Well the thing i dont agree with is that nobody can really prove that IWCCCARS made the decals. Whats to say they didnt get them off various decal sheets from an assortment of authors. I mean yea you should say thats what you did....but i dont think IWCCCARS has an exclusive right to complain. Ive made a couple cars for N3 myself to help fill out the field and only once did i have to use decals from another car in N2/99 (does ANYONE have the Paychex decals on a sheet?). I havent posted them but ive been thinking about it. Guess i better find out damn quick who made those decals huh? Seeing as how i dont know... Chris

Chris: You'd also better clear that not only with IWCCCARS but: 1. Hilary and Bill 2. DOJ 3. Janet Reno 4. The Congress Crash

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> If this is truly the case, I gotta sympathize with IWCC. If I spent a lot of > hours coming up with a bunch of new decals, only to find someone else has grabbed > them, used them on his cars, and then posted the whole thing as his without any > mention whatsoever of my involvement, I think my panties would be fairly bunched > up too. Credit where credit is due, it's not too much to ask. > Zog

What's the point? The car sets are free anyways! I understand a lot of time comes from getting the decals (well, not that much if you have a scanner or patience to look on the internet), but it also takes some time to paint the cars USING decals. Also, nowhere do I see a link to dl decals at the IWCC site. There's hardly a mention of N3 cars anyways (aside from the fact that they are working on a car set). Believe me, I have nothing against them, I have downloaded their car sets before, but isn't this childish? I'm not a lawyer, and not sure about the copyright rules, but come on... Get the set from one site or another, there's no difference to me. I still think IWCCCARS site is great! :) Philster

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> Chris: > You'd also better clear that not only with IWCCCARS but: > 1. Hilary and Bill > 2. DOJ > 3. Janet Reno > 4. The Congress > Crash

Americans are so funny! Don't tell me they're going to sue? Who are those people you mention up there? Sorry, I'm just a simplistic Canadian. Philster

On Fri, 01 Oct 1999 18:49:18 GMT, Doug Schneider <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>If this is truly the case, I gotta sympathize with IWCC. If I spent a lot of >hours coming up with a bunch of new decals, only to find someone else has grabbed >them, used them on his cars, and then posted the whole thing as his without any >mention whatsoever of my involvement, I think my panties would be fairly bunched >up too. Credit where credit is due, it's not too much to ask. > > Zog >

IIRC, right under the main banner they made mention of "Thanks to IWCCCARS" and one other site. So they DID mention them. BTW, I still think IWCCCARS makes the BEST real-life cars out there. Mike's Nascar World makes the best fantasy cars. Gunner