Listen up--***REIMS*** for GPL

To Papyrus, Dave Noonan, Phil Flack or whoever else builds tracks for GPL-- Why not Reims?! This circuit is probably the most historically-important GPL-era track not included with the game, other than Brands Hatch, and regularly competed with Spa for the honor of being the fasted GP circuit. A classic undulating road-racing circuit essentially in the form of a big triangle, I wouldn't think it would be be terribly difficult to lay out, and someone, somewhere, ought to have resource material available. Papy, if you're listening, let's have Reims!

And still more F1 tracks of 60's to the "hope list": Indianapolis, US (1960, 30 May) Porto, Portugal (1960, 14 August) Riverside, US (1960, 20 Nov) Aintree, GB (1961, 15 July, 1962 21 July) East London, South Africa (1962, 29 Dec, 1965 Jan 1) Zeltweg, Austria (1964, 23 Aug) Clermont-Ferrand, France (1965, 27 June, 1969 6 July) Jarama, Spain (1968, 12 May) St Jovite, Canada (1968, 22 Sep) Montjuich Park, Spain (1969, 4 May) Some of these extremely interesting? What is the third wish after Reims and Goodwood(?) ? (Was Goodwood really used for F1 in 60's?) Arto

Or better Still, Goodwood ;-) Mark

Sebring (December12, 1959) Ok so its a little before the 60s but wouldnt it be fun to drive the old course in GPL? Chris

In that case I'll want Pescara 18 Aug 1957! (The track was very long! Like Nurburgring..., perhaps even longer?) Stirling Moss won, Fangio was second, .... Yes, I want that track, ..., and those cars! Please Papy/Sierra... :-) When? Arto

it is longest track even being raced by F1 cars: 15.894 miles (approx. 25.5 km), whereas the ring has been 14.189 miles (22.8 km) long. but the track has two really long straights which could be quite boring - check the track layout at: http://www.skypages.com/grandprix/circuits/pescara.htm Lio

(snip) Ok so its a little before the 60s but wouldnt it be fun to drive the old course in GPL? (unsnip) Not particularly...........unless someone came up with a "body kit" to turn the GPL 3.0 litre cars into the 1960 - 1965 1.5 litre cars, which could then be raced at the F2 level so as to represent the lower power of these smaller-engined vehicles. Then we could really have Reims and the Monza banking! BK -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

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> (snip) > Ok so its a little before the 60s but wouldnt it be fun to drive the old > course > in GPL? > (unsnip) > Not particularly...........unless someone came up with a "body kit" to turn > the GPL 3.0 litre cars into the 1960 - 1965 1.5 litre cars, which could then > be raced at the F2 level so as to represent the lower power of these > smaller-engined vehicles. > Then we could really have Reims and the Monza banking!

I just want to fuel the fire a little bit, but why would it not be fun to race the Monza banking with a 3.0 litre 1967 F1 car ? As long as Rouen is in the game, historical accuracy is thrown out the window anyway. -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

Sod that! We want... make that demand :-) an editor. Don't care how much hard work it is to use. Just give it to us.. now, and GPL will live forever. Or at least till GPL2 in 2027 ;-) Andrew McP

And it might not even come from Papyrus that editor.. hehe ;) Who knows ? oh yeah "some" knows lol I forgot :-P -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

It's not "thrown out the window", Olav. Bent a little, to be sure, but not completely devastated. Rouen _was_ raced on during the 3 litre era.......1968 was one I remember. Reims, and the banked Monza track, were last used (by F1) during the 1.5 litre era. Papyrus did advise us, even before the demo was released in April/May 1998, that the Le Mans - Bugatti track was considered to be so featureless that they would not include it, to which everybody ultimately said "thank you"! It's a personal thing....I treat GPL as a historical sim because I personally recall those years, races and drivers very well indeed. I also remember the latter years of the 1.5 litre formula therefore, for me, a "1.5 litre add-on pack" would be brilliant. Bruce.

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> > (snip) > > Ok so its a little before the 60s but wouldnt it be fun to drive the old > > course > > in GPL? > > (unsnip) > > Not particularly...........unless someone came up with a "body kit" to

turn > > the GPL 3.0 litre cars into the 1960 - 1965 1.5 litre cars, which could then > > be raced at the F2 level so as to represent the lower power of these > > smaller-engined vehicles. > > Then we could really have Reims and the Monza banking! > I just want to fuel the fire a little bit, but why would it not be fun to race > the Monza banking with a 3.0 litre 1967 F1 car ? As long as Rouen is in the > game, historical accuracy is thrown out the window anyway. > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove spam when replying -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

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> It's not "thrown out the window", Olav. Bent a little, to be sure, but not > completely devastated. > Rouen _was_ raced on during the 3 litre era.......1968 was one I remember. > Reims, and the banked Monza track, were last used (by F1) during the 1.5 > litre era. > Papyrus did advise us, even before the demo was released in April/May 1998, > that the Le Mans - Bugatti track was considered to be so featureless that > they would not include it, to which everybody ultimately said "thank you"! > It's a personal thing....I treat GPL as a historical sim because I > personally recall those years, races and drivers very well indeed. I also > remember the latter years of the 1.5 litre formula therefore, for me, a "1.5 > litre add-on pack" would be brilliant.

Ok, maybe I used a little bit harsh words :) What I was trying to point out is that I really doesn't get the point why some people don't want tracks for GPL that isn't 67'ish just because it isn't historic. And as long as I wasn't born yet in 67 (7 years short) I look at GPL as a great sim with a history lesson built in it :)

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> Bruce. > > > (snip) > > > Ok so its a little before the 60s but wouldnt it be fun to drive the old > > > course > > > in GPL? > > > (unsnip) > > > Not particularly...........unless someone came up with a "body kit" to > turn > > > the GPL 3.0 litre cars into the 1960 - 1965 1.5 litre cars, which could > then > > > be raced at the F2 level so as to represent the lower power of these > > > smaller-engined vehicles. > > > Then we could really have Reims and the Monza banking! > > I just want to fuel the fire a little bit, but why would it not be fun to > race > > the Monza banking with a 3.0 litre 1967 F1 car ? As long as Rouen is in > the > > game, historical accuracy is thrown out the window anyway. > > -- > > Olav K. Malmin > > remove spam when replying > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! > ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

-- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

Oh, no problem my friend. I'm just being a cranky old *** who wants historical accuracy because I was "there", is all. :o) spam when replying -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

Nick and others, Sorry but GPL aready has "Reims" in it. Rouen = Reims! :-) Never the less I would like to see more track and an editor as well. Larry Heir

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> To Papyrus, Dave Noonan, Phil Flack or whoever else builds tracks for > GPL-- > Why not Reims?! This circuit is probably the most > historically-important GPL-era track not included with the game, other > than Brands Hatch, and regularly competed with Spa for the honor of > being the fasted GP circuit. A classic undulating road-racing circuit > essentially in the form of a big triangle, I wouldn't think it would > be be terribly difficult to lay out, and someone, somewhere, ought to > have resource material available. > Papy, if you're listening, let's have Reims!

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nope, reims is different! check: http://www.skypages.com/grandprix/circuits/reims.htm http://www.skypages.com/grandprix/circuits/rouen.htm Lio

I'm with you. Bruce -- while Clermont-Ferrand is a very cool venue, Reims was unique -- a battle of men and machines against extremes of speed and godawful heat. Many epic battles were fought there: Fangio and Hawthorn, Baghetti's first win, and dozens of very hard wars of attrition. In addition, if someone were to be so kind and clever as to use the GPL engine as a basis for a sportscar sim (PLEASE!!), Reims hosted a unique endurance event in that era that started at midnight -- on one of the fastest tracks in Europe. Would be nice... Bart Brown

Being pedantic, Reims was used in 1966 - the first year of the 3 litre format. Obviously not all of the cars had 3 litre engines for that race though. Cheers, Richard

Lio, Thanks for the correction! Sorry to all! :-( Larry > nope, reims is different! check: > http://www.skypages.com/grandprix/circuits/reims.htm > http://www.skypages.com/grandprix/circuits/rouen.htm > Lio Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Would be totally wonderful, Bart. I also like to think that Papyrus would certainly not lose any existing GPL customers if they added "packs" to the sim. Most of the development costs would have been booked against GPL and, therfore, return on expenditure would be certainly better with the add-ons. This "game" could have a life far in excess of anything else either previous or current: A 1950's F1 pack; a 1.5 litre Era pack; a mid-sixties Sports Prototype pack; a Can-Am pack........man alive, the possibilities make this old mind boggle!! :o) -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

Rouen is absolutely _NOTHING_like Reims....apart from the type of French asphalt used to surface it.

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> Nick and others, > Sorry but GPL aready has "Reims" in it. Rouen = Reims! :-) > Never the less I would like to see more track and an editor as well. > Larry Heir > > To Papyrus, Dave Noonan, Phil Flack or whoever else builds tracks for > > GPL-- > > Why not Reims?! This circuit is probably the most > > historically-important GPL-era track not included with the game, other > > than Brands Hatch, and regularly competed with Spa for the honor of > > being the fasted GP circuit. A classic undulating road-racing circuit > > essentially in the form of a big triangle, I wouldn't think it would > > be be terribly difficult to lay out, and someone, somewhere, ought to > > have resource material available. > > Papy, if you're listening, let's have Reims! > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

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Not pedantic at all, Richard.....I simply didn't recall that one! Thanks. (The 1968 race is the one that sticks in my mind because of Schlesser's death.) > >Rouen _was_ raced on during the 3 litre era.......1968 was one I remember.

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> >Reims, and the banked Monza track, were last used (by F1) during the 1.5 > >litre era. > Being pedantic, Reims was used in 1966 - the first year of the 3 litre > format. Obviously not all of the cars had 3 litre engines for that race > though. > Cheers, > Richard

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>Nick and others, >Sorry but GPL aready has "Reims" in it. Rouen = Reims! :-) Reims is an entirely different track from Rouen, the track of the famed corner leading onto the pit straight - it should be on forix if you like to check. Cheers! John

>Reims is an entirely different track from Rouen, the track of the >famed corner leading onto the pit straight - it should be on forix if >you like to check. In fact... Reims : http://www.forix.com/asp/ci.asp?z=0&k=0&l=0&r=5404&c=0 Rouen : http://www.forix.com/asp/ci.asp?z=0&k=0&l=0&r=5704&c=0 Cheers! John

Could one of our French-speaking colleagues please confirm the correct pronunciation of "Rheims"? I have heard it referred to (not by a Francophile) as "RHEM", yet have also heard it pronounced as "REEMS". BK

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> >Nick and others, > >Sorry but GPL aready has "Reims" in it. Rouen = Reims! :-) > Reims is an entirely different track from Rouen, the track of the > famed corner leading onto the pit straight - it should be on forix if > you like to check. > Cheers! > John

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More like "remz" without emphasis on the "e". C. Giroux.

don't forget to stuff a hairball down your throat before you say it! :) dave henrie > > Could one of our French-speaking colleagues please confirm the correct > > pronunciation of "Rheims"? > More like "remz" without emphasis on the "e". > C. Giroux.

Thanks very much, Christian. BK > > Could one of our French-speaking colleagues please confirm the correct > > pronunciation of "Rheims"? > More like "remz" without emphasis on the "e". > C. Giroux. -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

LOL! Okay....thanks for the tip, Dave. :o)

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> don't forget to stuff a hairball down your throat before you say it! > :) > dave henrie > > > Could one of our French-speaking colleagues please confirm the correct > > > pronunciation of "Rheims"? > > More like "remz" without emphasis on the "e". > > C. Giroux.

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Rhymes with "phlegm"... > don't forget to stuff a hairball down your throat before you say it! > :) > dave henrie