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Nascar3 and Sound Blaster Live question

6 posts by 5 people · 21 Sep 1999 - 21 Sep 1999

darre.. 21 Sep 1999#494070
I have a sound blaster live sound card and its suppose to have 3d audio but when I go to the sound options menu in Nascar3 the tab for "reflections" is not highlighted and I can't select any reflections. Am I missing something here that I need to do to enable the sound reflections? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Soundblaster Live has 3D audio through DirectSound3D. It also has special environmental extensions for stuff such as reverb. However, the reflections are done with a different sound system called A3D [I do believe, which only soundboards on based on Aureal's Vortex2 chipset handle such as the Diamond MX300. A3D provides a technology that is best described as "sound mapping" which basically means that for each track Papy has pre-determined how sound reacts for all portions of the track so that the A3D can then properly handle where the sound gets outputted through your speaker system. Here is a bit from the www.a3d.com site: "A3DT 2.0 uses the geometry of a virtual space to render a life-like representation of real-world audio, using revolutionary Aureal WavetracingT technology with reflections and occlusions. Aureal's A3DT positional audio standard, originally developed for NASA, has set the bar for 3D audio on the PC. More than seven million users have joined the A3DT revolution - experiencing realistic, breath-taking 3D audio. A3DT puts the listener in the 3D world, making sounds appear to come from any direction: left and right, front and back, above and below. " FYI, I am only making somewhat educated guesses on whether Papyrus definitively for sure uses A3D to do their soundmaps. > I have a sound blaster live sound card and its suppose to have 3d > audio but when I go to the sound options menu in Nascar3 the tab for > "reflections" is not highlighted and I can't select any reflections. > Am I missing something here that I need to do to enable the sound > reflections? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>I have a sound blaster live sound card and its suppose to have 3d >audio but when I go to the sound options menu in Nascar3 the tab for >"reflections" is not highlighted and I can't select any reflections. >Am I missing something here that I need to do to enable the sound >reflections? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Reflections are only supported in the A3D Vortex chip cards, such as the Diamond 300MMX. Its not an included function in the SoundBlaster Live cards.
darre.. 21 Sep 1999#494073
What a bummer. Thanks to both of you for your help though. :)
SBLive doesn't currently support reflections. It does initial reflections, obstructions & occlusions, but not reflections in a way that would be really useful in N3, for example. More complete support for reflections will be included in the next version of EAX (3.0). It will bring enhancements like - localized reflection clusters - individual reflections for distant echoes - improved distance cues - morphing between environments Once it's released, you don't have to buy a new soundcard as EAX 3.0 will essentially be a software upgrade and your SBLive's EMU10K1 processor easily handles the upcoming features. But remember, once 3.0 arrives, the game still has to support these features. I wouldn't expect EAX 3.0 to be around until next spring, so you can forget reflections in N3 with SBLive. In the mean time you could go for some Vortex2 based card like I just did as I'm building a new computer for my ma & pa. I ended up keeping the SBLive myself because it's so much more than just a gamecard for me. It's the center of my home audio system and I like the controls SBLive's AudioHQ provides. For example, every once in a while I throw mp3 playback to one or two corners of the room, tune it down a bit and apply some of my own chilly audio environments to it to create a cool atmosphere while keeping the TV news coming out from the front speakers free of any spooky fx. I've learnt to rely on AHQ as I rely on my remote controllers in a daily life. It does what I want it to do. --- Antti Markus Peteri 15 miles. your dim light shines from so far away - Soul Asylum, Promises Broken
Tom Pabst 21 Sep 1999#494075
Frankly...I've listened to both in N3.....and I don't like the "reflections" elements added into the sound in N3. What we all want....really.....is 3D sound.....i.e. Can I tell a sound that's physically on my left, right or rear.....actually is sounding like it's in the correct location! Right? Well both the SB Live and MX300 do almost exactly the same EXCELLENT job of doing that! From that standpoint....you can select either sound card and be totally pleased with the results! I don't like the "reflections" sound elements....for the same reasons I discuss in my "article" in this edition of "Crew Chief's Notebook" on High Gear (www.simracingnews.com). It adds a "reverb" type of an effect...and if you read my article you'll see the "problems" that it will introduce to any sound source! If you have an SB Live card....or an MX300 card......try the "soundpak" for N3 at the High Gear site!! You will be amazed. And....MX300 users.....if you use the soundpak from HG ......and setup your sound system as described in the instructions accompanying the soundpak.........try turning off the "reflections" and try running say at Indy without them.....I think you will also be amazed.....the total overall sound quality.....is even better with the "reflections" turned off! At least on my sound system it is. I give the SB Live card the slight advantage over the MX300 based not on "sound quality"...but on "usefulness" of all its "bells and whistles".......see some of the other posts under this string for examples. I love the complete adaptability of this sound card....to use and apply FX on sounds in hundreds of unique ways. The MX300 is not even "close" to the SB Live in this department! Tom Pabst > I have a sound blaster live sound card and its suppose to have 3d > audio but when I go to the sound options menu in Nascar3 the tab for > "reflections" is not highlighted and I can't select any reflections. > Am I missing something here that I need to do to enable the sound > reflections? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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