MS SW FF wheel

Reading RAS I enjoy my TM Formula One less and less with time. Now I'm almost decided to buy the new FF wheel. But Logitech or Microsoft? In case with Logitech I'm aware of its pedals that are not so good as I understood. But I can't find any info or picture of MS FF in the web. Could anyone send me its pictures and parametres or when can I find it. But maybe generally it's not a good idea - to buy MSFF wheel ? Thank you.

I don't have pictures, but I'm sure MS has some somewhere. However, I've tried both wheels and for me, the Logitech was the best choice. (your tastes might vary) A few things I didn't like about the MS wheel. The way it mounted to the desk. (wouldn't work with my desk drawer) Non USB version requires a midi port. If you use a joyswitch to switch between different controllers this can be a problem, although some switches support midi. The ac adapter plugs into the wheel. (just another wire on the desk) Logitech's ac adapter plugs in the pedal base, much better idea IMO. The MS wheel has a "gear" feel to it, especially when used with non FF games. (not sure how Logitech does it, but their wheel has a much better overall feel, no "ratchety" sensation) IMO As for the pedals, this was a concern of mine as well, since I had read so many bad reports. They aren't near as bad as I was expecting, and the overall design is well done, and comfortable to use. (actually like it better than my Nascar Pro pedals) I do wish they would of used stiffer springs, but this is really a minor gripe for me. This site might have some pictures of both wheels, not sure. http://www.force-1.com/ Good luck! Andy

Did you try the manufacturer's hompeage? It's there. Heres the url http://www.microsoft.com/products/hardware/sidewinder/force/default.htm Your welcome. I just bought one. Pedals are great, but the 'feel' of the wheel is a little 'notchy' since it is gear driven. No big deal though. MB

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> Reading RAS I enjoy my TM Formula One less and less with time. > Now I'm almost decided to buy the new FF wheel. But Logitech or Microsoft? > In case with Logitech I'm aware of its pedals that are not so good as I > understood. > But I can't find any info or picture of MS FF in the web. > Could anyone send me its pictures and parametres or when can I find it. > But maybe generally it's not a good idea - to buy MSFF wheel ? > Thank you.

> Reading RAS I enjoy my TM Formula One less and less with time. >Now I'm almost decided to buy the new FF wheel. But Logitech or Microsoft? >In case with Logitech I'm aware of its pedals that are not so good as I >understood. I am wondering how you "understood" this? Especially since if you were to actually try the pedals, you would see it is not true. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

Oh,boy, I do decided to bye Logitech but the fate wants opposite...And now I've been waiting for MSWFF that some company shipped to me. There was so complex circumstances .... But I really wanted Logi . What am I suppose to do now ? When they assured me to buy MS, I surrendered because there was no post about "MSWFF is bad" , only that "LWFF is better". Now it is. Am I stupid ? > I have a MSFFW, and have used the Logitech. > The MSFFW has about the best pedals going (short of the hand-built ungodly > expensive stuff out there). > However, the MSFFW is not perfect. I think it has latency problems, and it

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> feels sluggish, even on a high-end PC. It is also 'grindy' as it uses a > gear drive system. > It also kills frame rates. I lose 3-5fps in N3 when FF is enabled. > I don't like that they use the Midi signal lines. I think that may have > something to do with the latency issues I feel. > It's well built, and comfortable, but I'm beginning to dislike it's feel > when it comes o Force Feedback. > But, man are the pedals great! > -Larry > > Reading RAS I enjoy my TM Formula One less and less with time. > > Now I'm almost decided to buy the new FF wheel. But Logitech or

Microsoft?

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> > In case with Logitech I'm aware of its pedals that are not so good as I > > understood. > > But I can't find any info or picture of MS FF in the web. > > Could anyone send me its pictures and parametres or when can I find > it. > > But maybe generally it's not a good idea - to buy MSFF wheel ? > > Thank you.

I think it's a matter of personal preference. I have one of each, both on fast systems with SBLive sound cards. I actually prefer the MS wheel to the Logitech. At least I got a good deal ($112) on the Logitech wheel at Egghead. Scott

Thanks for the balm on my soul, Scott ! It's more likely that I'll enjoy that MS at all :o). But I have to wait until Saturday to get it in my shaking hands. Then I will rest... Tell me once again it's not bad at all !!!! I'll become insane until Saturday !

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> I think it's a matter of personal preference. I have one of each, both on > fast systems > with SBLive sound cards. I actually prefer the MS wheel to the Logitech. > At least I got a good deal ($112) on the Logitech wheel at Egghead. > Scott > > Oh,boy, I do decided to bye Logitech but the fate wants opposite...And

now > > I've been waiting for MSWFF that some company shipped to me. > > There was so complex circumstances .... But I really wanted Logi . What am > I > > suppose to do now ? When they assured me to buy MS, I surrendered because > > there was no post about "MSWFF is bad" , only that "LWFF is better". Now > it > > is. Am I stupid ?

I have a TSW and a MSFF wheel, and I use the MS wheel exclusively now, with no regrets. Does that make you feel better? Regards, Gordon

I feel better and better :o). Just called to my gravedigger and unsubscribed my order to the best place at local graveyard. Better than TSW ( it's Thomas Enterprises Wheel I guess ) ??? Tra-la-la-la-la La-a-la-la-la-la...!!!

I wouldn't go so far as to say it is better. The MSFFW has a slight "ratchety" feel, because of the gear drive. The TSW is smoother, but the MS wheel has force feedback, great pedals and I'm not constatntly replacing pots. Regards, Gordon