Is N3 supposed to crash this much?

Not the cars..... the game. Seems the littlest things cause serious problems. Examples: 1.) In Paint Shop, I selected the magnifying tool, then changed my mind and clicked on it again, thinking this would de-select it. Crashed. 2.) Again, in Paint shop, I had the rectangle tool selected, and after finishing what I wanted to change, went to the magnifier. Crashed. 3.) Wrecked out of a race at Dover, hit escape and watched the replay. After I'd seen what I wanted I hit escape again, clicked no..... crashed. After trying to replicate this I found that (at least on my system and a friend's) whenever the race is exited while a replay is running it causes a crash. 4.) Major wreck happened in front of me at Bristol..... looked like it had to involve half the field :-) I slowed down to about 60 mph and went high to drive around it, and all of a sudden the frame rate (which is usually mid to high 20's, even during a wreck) dropped way down..... slowed further..... then fell even more, to approx. 2 or 3 f/sec. Then the system crashed. 5.) Same sort of thing as in #4 happened at 'dega. In all cases the computer totally locked up. I hit the Win key, tried to [Alt]+[Tab] back to Windows, then tried giving it the three finger salute many times, but there was *no* response from the system, and I had no recourse but to hit the power button, and then upon restart wait as scan disk is completed before I could get back to Windows. Unfortunately, I get no error message to help indicate what the problem is. Am I doing something wrong, or is N3 in need of a patch of some sort? My system: 64MB RAM 3Dfx Voodoo Banshee w/ 16MB Creative Sound Blaster AudioPCI 64D If anyone can help me figure out what's going on, it would be greatly appreciated, as its getting to the point that I'm afraid to run the game :-(

Most crashes that I've heard about were due to overclocked systems, usually the video card. I was experimenting with my Asus V3800 non-ultra (which I rarely do - I'm not much into overclocking) and if I pushed it too far, N3 got very unstable. If you are pushing things, you might want to experiment with putting them at the factory defaults and see what happens. -Larry > Not the cars..... the game. > Seems the littlest things cause serious problems. > Examples: > 1.) In Paint Shop, I selected the magnifying tool, then changed my mind and

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> clicked on it again, thinking this would de-select it. Crashed. > 2.) Again, in Paint shop, I had the rectangle tool selected, and after > finishing what I wanted to change, went to the magnifier. Crashed. > 3.) Wrecked out of a race at Dover, hit escape and watched the replay. > After I'd seen what I wanted I hit escape again, clicked no..... crashed. > After trying to replicate this I found that (at least on my system and a > friend's) whenever the race is exited while a replay is running it causes

a > crash. > 4.) Major wreck happened in front of me at Bristol..... looked like it had > to involve half the field :-) > I slowed down to about 60 mph and went high to drive around it, and all of a

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> sudden the frame rate (which is usually mid to high 20's, even during a > wreck) dropped way down..... slowed further..... then fell even more, to > approx. 2 or 3 f/sec. Then the system crashed. > 5.) Same sort of thing as in #4 happened at 'dega. > In all cases the computer totally locked up. I hit the Win key, tried to > [Alt]+[Tab] back to Windows, then tried giving it the three finger salute > many times, but there was *no* response from the system, and I had no > recourse but to hit the power button, and then upon restart wait as scan > disk is completed before I could get back to Windows. > Unfortunately, I get no error message to help indicate what the problem

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> Am I doing something wrong, or is N3 in need of a patch of some sort? > My system: > 64MB RAM > 3Dfx Voodoo Banshee w/ 16MB > Creative Sound Blaster AudioPCI 64D > If anyone can help me figure out what's going on, it would be greatly > appreciated, as its getting to the point that I'm afraid to run the game > :-(

I have the same problem. If I finish a qualifying run or just decide I want to get out of the car, I hit escape and then it locks. It happened before in Multi while the host was selecting a track, and happened in Multi when I finished a Qualifying run and got second :(. My system is: Celeron 333 (not overclocked) Diamond Monster Fusion 16mb Banshee PCI (not overclocked) 96mb SyncDram A3d Sound Card ======================== Adam Zerlin GT Insider Webmaster www.gtinsider.com ================================ GT International Championship Organizer [link lost in import: /***.com] > Most crashes that I've heard about were due to overclocked systems, usually

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> the video card. > I was experimenting with my Asus V3800 non-ultra (which I rarely do - I'm > not much into overclocking) and if I pushed it too far, N3 got very > unstable. > If you are pushing things, you might want to experiment with putting them

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> the factory defaults and see what happens. > -Larry > > Not the cars..... the game. > > Seems the littlest things cause serious problems. > > Examples: > > 1.) In Paint Shop, I selected the magnifying tool, then changed my mind > and > > clicked on it again, thinking this would de-select it. Crashed. > > 2.) Again, in Paint shop, I had the rectangle tool selected, and after > > finishing what I wanted to change, went to the magnifier. Crashed. > > 3.) Wrecked out of a race at Dover, hit escape and watched the replay. > > After I'd seen what I wanted I hit escape again, clicked no.....

crashed. > > After trying to replicate this I found that (at least on my system and a > > friend's) whenever the race is exited while a replay is running it causes > a > > crash. > > 4.) Major wreck happened in front of me at Bristol..... looked like it had > > to involve half the field :-) > > I slowed down to about 60 mph and went high to drive around it, and all of

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> a > > sudden the frame rate (which is usually mid to high 20's, even during a > > wreck) dropped way down..... slowed further..... then fell even more, to > > approx. 2 or 3 f/sec. Then the system crashed. > > 5.) Same sort of thing as in #4 happened at 'dega. > > In all cases the computer totally locked up. I hit the Win key, tried

to > > [Alt]+[Tab] back to Windows, then tried giving it the three finger salute

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> > many times, but there was *no* response from the system, and I had no > > recourse but to hit the power button, and then upon restart wait as scan > > disk is completed before I could get back to Windows. > > Unfortunately, I get no error message to help indicate what the problem > is. > > Am I doing something wrong, or is N3 in need of a patch of some sort? > > My system: > > 64MB RAM > > 3Dfx Voodoo Banshee w/ 16MB > > Creative Sound Blaster AudioPCI 64D > > If anyone can help me figure out what's going on, it would be greatly > > appreciated, as its getting to the point that I'm afraid to run the game > > :-(

It's gotta be something with your system. I've done pretty much everything on your list, some of them several times, and N3 has yet to crash or lock up on me once. Wish I could help. Zog

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> Not the cars..... the game. > Seems the littlest things cause serious problems. > Examples: > 1.) In Paint Shop, I selected the magnifying tool, then changed my mind and > clicked on it again, thinking this would de-select it. Crashed. > 2.) Again, in Paint shop, I had the rectangle tool selected, and after > finishing what I wanted to change, went to the magnifier. Crashed. > 3.) Wrecked out of a race at Dover, hit escape and watched the replay. > After I'd seen what I wanted I hit escape again, clicked no..... crashed. > After trying to replicate this I found that (at least on my system and a > friend's) whenever the race is exited while a replay is running it causes a > crash. > 4.) Major wreck happened in front of me at Bristol..... looked like it had > to involve half the field :-) > I slowed down to about 60 mph and went high to drive around it, and all of a > sudden the frame rate (which is usually mid to high 20's, even during a > wreck) dropped way down..... slowed further..... then fell even more, to > approx. 2 or 3 f/sec. Then the system crashed. > 5.) Same sort of thing as in #4 happened at 'dega. > In all cases the computer totally locked up. I hit the Win key, tried to > [Alt]+[Tab] back to Windows, then tried giving it the three finger salute > many times, but there was *no* response from the system, and I had no > recourse but to hit the power button, and then upon restart wait as scan > disk is completed before I could get back to Windows. > Unfortunately, I get no error message to help indicate what the problem is. > Am I doing something wrong, or is N3 in need of a patch of some sort? > My system: > 64MB RAM > 3Dfx Voodoo Banshee w/ 16MB > Creative Sound Blaster AudioPCI 64D > If anyone can help me figure out what's going on, it would be greatly > appreciated, as its getting to the point that I'm afraid to run the game > :-(

>Not the cars..... the game. >Seems the littlest things cause serious problems. >Examples: >1.) In Paint Shop, I selected the magnifying tool, then changed my mind and >clicked on it again, thinking this would de-select it. Crashed. Are you shitting us with this? How exactly did N3 cause this? Duh. Fix your system. I've watched a few replays (to see what idiot crashed into me) and never saw this problem. Huh. Never happened to me. Since I have run N3 allot and not had one crash or any other problem (especially with other unrelated apps) I assume the problem is with your system. That is why I think it was very unfair of you to blame PSP problems on N3. So I flamed you a little.

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>My system: >64MB RAM >3Dfx Voodoo Banshee w/ 16MB >Creative Sound Blaster AudioPCI 64D >If anyone can help me figure out what's going on, it would be greatly >appreciated, as its getting to the point that I'm afraid to run the game >:-(

What is your swapfile and free disk space situation? -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

Well since the original poster also has a banshee card, maybe N3 has a problem with those??? Are you guys using the latest 3dfx drivers and Direct X 6.1? -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com >I have the same problem. If I finish a qualifying run or just decide I want >to get out of the car, I hit escape and then it locks. It happened before >in Multi while the host was selecting a track, and happened in Multi when I >finished a Qualifying run and got second :(. >My system is: >Celeron 333 (not overclocked) >Diamond Monster Fusion 16mb Banshee PCI (not overclocked) >96mb SyncDram >A3d Sound Card >======================== >Adam Zerlin >GT Insider Webmaster >www.gtinsider.com >================================ >GT International Championship Organizer >[link lost in import: /***.com] >> Most crashes that I've heard about were due to overclocked systems, >usually >> the video card. >> I was experimenting with my Asus V3800 non-ultra (which I rarely do - I'm >> not much into overclocking) and if I pushed it too far, N3 got very >> unstable. >> If you are pushing things, you might want to experiment with putting them >at >> the factory defaults and see what happens. >> -Larry >> > Not the cars..... the game. >> > Seems the littlest things cause serious problems. >> > Examples: >> > 1.) In Paint Shop, I selected the magnifying tool, then changed my mind >> and >> > clicked on it again, thinking this would de-select it. Crashed. >> > 2.) Again, in Paint shop, I had the rectangle tool selected, and after >> > finishing what I wanted to change, went to the magnifier. Crashed. >> > 3.) Wrecked out of a race at Dover, hit escape and watched the replay. >> > After I'd seen what I wanted I hit escape again, clicked no..... >crashed. >> > After trying to replicate this I found that (at least on my system and a >> > friend's) whenever the race is exited while a replay is running it >causes >> a >> > crash. >> > 4.) Major wreck happened in front of me at Bristol..... looked like it >had >> > to involve half the field :-) >> > I slowed down to about 60 mph and went high to drive around it, and all >of >> a >> > sudden the frame rate (which is usually mid to high 20's, even during a >> > wreck) dropped way down..... slowed further..... then fell even more, to >> > approx. 2 or 3 f/sec. Then the system crashed. >> > 5.) Same sort of thing as in #4 happened at 'dega. >> > In all cases the computer totally locked up. I hit the Win key, tried >to >> > [Alt]+[Tab] back to Windows, then tried giving it the three finger >salute >> > many times, but there was *no* response from the system, and I had no >> > recourse but to hit the power button, and then upon restart wait as scan >> > disk is completed before I could get back to Windows. >> > Unfortunately, I get no error message to help indicate what the problem >> is. >> > Am I doing something wrong, or is N3 in need of a patch of some sort? >> > My system: >> > 64MB RAM >> > 3Dfx Voodoo Banshee w/ 16MB >> > Creative Sound Blaster AudioPCI 64D >> > If anyone can help me figure out what's going on, it would be greatly >> > appreciated, as its getting to the point that I'm afraid to run the game >> > :-(

I don't have N3 yet, but I've been experiencing similar crashes with my system. I've got a 16 MB Creative Labs Banshee Blaster (NOT overclocked) -- I wonder if we're all seeing Banshee-related problems? I'm using the 3dfx reference drivers at the moment, FWIW. -- JB >I have the same problem. If I finish a qualifying run or just decide I want

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>to get out of the car, I hit escape and then it locks. It happened before >in Multi while the host was selecting a track, and happened in Multi when I >finished a Qualifying run and got second :(. >My system is: >Celeron 333 (not overclocked) >Diamond Monster Fusion 16mb Banshee PCI (not overclocked) >96mb SyncDram >A3d Sound Card >======================== >Adam Zerlin >GT Insider Webmaster >www.gtinsider.com >================================ >GT International Championship Organizer >[link lost in import: /***.com] >> Most crashes that I've heard about were due to overclocked systems, >usually >> the video card. >> I was experimenting with my Asus V3800 non-ultra (which I rarely do - I'm >> not much into overclocking) and if I pushed it too far, N3 got very >> unstable. >> If you are pushing things, you might want to experiment with putting them >at >> the factory defaults and see what happens. >> -Larry >> > Not the cars..... the game. >> > Seems the littlest things cause serious problems. >> > Examples: >> > 1.) In Paint Shop, I selected the magnifying tool, then changed my mind >> and >> > clicked on it again, thinking this would de-select it. Crashed. >> > 2.) Again, in Paint shop, I had the rectangle tool selected, and after >> > finishing what I wanted to change, went to the magnifier. Crashed. >> > 3.) Wrecked out of a race at Dover, hit escape and watched the replay. >> > After I'd seen what I wanted I hit escape again, clicked no..... >crashed. >> > After trying to replicate this I found that (at least on my system and

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>> > friend's) whenever the race is exited while a replay is running it >causes >> a >> > crash. >> > 4.) Major wreck happened in front of me at Bristol..... looked like it >had >> > to involve half the field :-) >> > I slowed down to about 60 mph and went high to drive around it, and all >of >> a >> > sudden the frame rate (which is usually mid to high 20's, even during a >> > wreck) dropped way down..... slowed further..... then fell even more,

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>> > approx. 2 or 3 f/sec. Then the system crashed. >> > 5.) Same sort of thing as in #4 happened at 'dega. >> > In all cases the computer totally locked up. I hit the Win key, tried >to >> > [Alt]+[Tab] back to Windows, then tried giving it the three finger >salute >> > many times, but there was *no* response from the system, and I had no >> > recourse but to hit the power button, and then upon restart wait as

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>> > disk is completed before I could get back to Windows. >> > Unfortunately, I get no error message to help indicate what the problem >> is. >> > Am I doing something wrong, or is N3 in need of a patch of some sort? >> > My system: >> > 64MB RAM >> > 3Dfx Voodoo Banshee w/ 16MB >> > Creative Sound Blaster AudioPCI 64D >> > If anyone can help me figure out what's going on, it would be greatly >> > appreciated, as its getting to the point that I'm afraid to run the

game >> > :-(

Shop "within" N3, not PSP. readme.txt file may confirm this. Yeah, the Paint Shop in the game is what I was referring to, and likely it is my Banshee causing this, or something in my system.....

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:03:29 -0500, "Greg Cisko" >Well since the original poster also has a banshee card, maybe >N3 has a problem with those??? >Are you guys using the latest 3dfx drivers and Direct X 6.1? Monster II 12 meg and an AGP 16 meg with the latest drivers and mine crashes like crazy. ____________________ Hydrogen and Stupidity.. The two most universal elements

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:01:50 -0500, "Greg Cisko"

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>>Not the cars..... the game. >>Seems the littlest things cause serious problems. >>3.) Wrecked out of a race at Dover, hit escape and watched the replay. >>After I'd seen what I wanted I hit escape again, clicked no..... crashed. >>After trying to replicate this I found that (at least on my system and a >>friend's) whenever the race is exited while a replay is running it causes a >>crash. >I've watched a few replays (to see what idiot crashed into me) and >never saw this problem.

The first few times I played I had no problems, now it's crashing more often than not. Replay menu's are one constant source of crashing. Count yourself lucky. Quite a few of the races I have been in have had people complaining about computer crashes. Mine is crashing all over the place (and it's not even a Microsft Game, those are cause for crashes in and of themselves!) In fact, this is the only game outside of the three Microsoft games I play that crashes. (how is it they can't make their software work with their own software? Oh yea.. it's a "feature"!) I can come into the pits, it crashes. I have had it crash numerous times when going from the loggin menu to the race/practice itself. I have had it crash when going from the chat menu or the set-ups menu. GPL never crashed on me, nor have any other far more power-intensive programs. (try running Fly on the computer and seeing just how much processing power that sucker eats when you have all 1.6 gigs of info loaded). Nascar 3 is the only one that repeatedly crashes to the point that it's not even fun to play. ____________________ Hydrogen and Stupidity.. The two most universal elements

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>On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:03:29 -0500, "Greg Cisko" >>Well since the original poster also has a banshee card, maybe >>N3 has a problem with those??? >>Are you guys using the latest 3dfx drivers and Direct X 6.1? >Monster II 12 meg and an AGP 16 meg with the latest drivers and mine >crashes like crazy.

Huh, I just ran 10% races at Richmond, Darlington, Martinsville & Las Vegas. Each time I started in the rear and worked my way forward. Not one crash. Ever... -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:33:47 -0500, "Greg Cisko"

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>>On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:03:29 -0500, "Greg Cisko" >>>Well since the original poster also has a banshee card, maybe >>>N3 has a problem with those??? >>>Are you guys using the latest 3dfx drivers and Direct X 6.1? >>Monster II 12 meg and an AGP 16 meg with the latest drivers and mine >>crashes like crazy. >Huh, I just ran 10% races at Richmond, Darlington, Martinsville & Las >Vegas. Each time I started in the rear and worked my way forward. >Not one crash. Ever...

The computer crashes, not the car/driver. ____________________ Hydrogen and Stupidity.. The two most universal elements

Actually there's nothing in the readme about Banshees. The only 3dfx issues are that autochat (Ctrl+F9) will disable the display, so if you hit it by accident, hit it again to turn the display back on, and a warning not to enable 'Force Triple-Color Buffering for Glide Apps'. Oh yeah, and Voodoo Rush is not supported, big surprise there. Zog

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> Check the N3 readme file.... I believe I read in there that N3 has > some issues with Banshee cards? I don't have N3 at work so I can't > confirm for sure. > Dave Ericson > MomoBoy online > JDB Racing >> Not the cars..... the game. >> Seems the littlest things cause serious problems. >> Examples: >> 1.) In Paint Shop, I selected the magnifying tool, then changed my >> mind and >> clicked on it again, thinking this would de-select it. Crashed. >> 2.) Again, in Paint shop, I had the rectangle tool selected, and >> after >> finishing what I wanted to change, went to the magnifier. Crashed. >> 3.) Wrecked out of a race at Dover, hit escape and watched the >> replay. >> After I'd seen what I wanted I hit escape again, clicked no..... >> crashed. >> After trying to replicate this I found that (at least on my system >> and a >> friend's) whenever the race is exited while a replay is running it >> causes a >> crash. >> 4.) Major wreck happened in front of me at Bristol..... looked like >> it had >> to involve half the field :-) >> I slowed down to about 60 mph and went high to drive around it, and >> all of a >> sudden the frame rate (which is usually mid to high 20's, even >> during a >> wreck) dropped way down..... slowed further..... then fell even >> more, to >> approx. 2 or 3 f/sec. Then the system crashed. >> 5.) Same sort of thing as in #4 happened at 'dega. >> In all cases the computer totally locked up. I hit the Win key, >> tried to >> [Alt]+[Tab] back to Windows, then tried giving it the three finger >> salute >> many times, but there was *no* response from the system, and I had >> no >> recourse but to hit the power button, and then upon restart wait as >> scan >> disk is completed before I could get back to Windows. >> Unfortunately, I get no error message to help indicate what the >> problem is. >> Am I doing something wrong, or is N3 in need of a patch of some >> sort? >> My system: >> 64MB RAM >> 3Dfx Voodoo Banshee w/ 16MB >> Creative Sound Blaster AudioPCI 64D >> If anyone can help me figure out what's going on, it would be >> greatly >> appreciated, as its getting to the point that I'm afraid to run the >> game >> :-(

>>Huh, I just ran 10% races at Richmond, Darlington, Martinsville & Las >>Vegas. Each time I started in the rear and worked my way forward. >>Not one crash. Ever... >The computer crashes, not the car/driver. Right. The AI was crashing all over the place at Richmond :-) But the game itself has *NEVER* crashed on me. Pretty weird. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com