GPL demo???

Hi! On various sites I read about a GPL demo which let's you race against another driver on Zandvoort and Monza, in 2 different cars. But when I donwload the + 18 Mb demo, all I get is the same 'old' demo on Watkins. The only difference (apart from the size) is the version number (the old one is 0.0.5 and the new one 1.0.0 or something like that). Is there really a demo as described above, or has every site copied the wrong infomation without checking? Jeroen

If you buy a copy, you can drive on 11 tracks, race online on all these tracks, and get a copy of the book '4 wheel drift' for free! With a demo you can how this game looks and plays. If you like it, buy the full game. Andre

I have the demo, turned it into the full game, all legally. all for free.

But your a troll, so nobody cares. -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

By getting GPL as a gift, and installing it over the demo actually it was the only way to get my voodoo 3 2000 to work it wouldn't work on a fresh install of gpl

Please define the definition of troll? I was unaware that trolls existed.

1. A lure or a line with it's lure and hook used in trolling They do, look above ^^ . I personally do alot of fishing, and we do use alot of trolls. The usenet term is from that, not from the imaginary creatures living under bridges. Please update your CART wishlist btw :) Your post was unnecessary and was done in a way that promotes illegal piracy of Grand Prix Legends. -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

We are both common posters to RAS and Papy motorsports. You should know from reading my posts that I have purchased, N1, Icr1, ICR2, N99, and GPL. Also intend to buy N3 and NL. Now onto my CART features sim list. It is pretty much dead, as Eric T. Busch commented on it that basically it would never be done so why bother. If you can convince me to continue with it I will.

1. How the hell can you turn the demo into a full version with all the tracks legally? 2. Don't you think Papyrus deserves some money for this game? Andre

true. <retracts statement> -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

To be clear or perhaps to confuse things even more, while I may have commented that your feature list was perhaps a bit idealistic, I've never made any direct comments or speculations with regards to present/future product plans or lack thereof. You made a fine list of features you'd like to see in a CART sim. However as I've said previously, you need to ask yourself how many of those features are truly vital to recreating the racing experience within the confines of current PC technology and some finite span of development time and money? You can't have everything, so prioritize and compromise... Eric

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>To be clear or perhaps to confuse things even more, while I may have >commented that your feature list was perhaps a bit idealistic, I've >never made any direct comments or speculations with regards to >present/future product plans or lack thereof. You made a fine list of >features you'd like to see in a CART sim. However as I've said >previously, you need to ask yourself how many of those features are >truly vital to recreating the racing experience within the confines of >current PC technology and some finite span of development time and >money? You can't have everything, so prioritize and compromise... >Eric >> Now onto my CART features sim list. It is pretty much dead, as Eric >T. Busch >> commented on it that basically it would never be done so why bother. >If you can >> convince me to continue with it I will.

well guys, we have now heard the TRUTH from the head honcho. I will now repost the CART feature list so that the CART fans of RAS can help me make a list the Eric T. Busch would deem plausible, and thus can be seant to CART Sim Features Sheet Important ones denoted with * All tracks* Good but easy to use Track Editor All cars (none fictional)* Fantasy Tracks 8^) GPL Physics or N3 if not GPL* All teams (tobacco and *** if possible)* native RENDITION support*** drafting* 3d***pits* 3d Physics engine that simulates true CART handling* Resolutions like 800x600 and 1024x768* Excellent car damage model so that no two crashes look alike* Realistic flip effects,like GPL and not Andretti Racing (boo) Comprehensive car setups, including springs, shocks, camber, weight jacker on ovals, static ride height, dampers, rebounds, bump stops, etc. * Realistic effects like bottoming out* Realistic debris that you can run over and damage your car on Random tire blowouts* Oil and other fluids from engine failures* Fire (highly unlikely this will be allowed by CART)* Realistic wall types and wall effects (Armco barriers do more damage than concrete, tire walls do less damage than concrete, tire walls cause car to get airborne and flip more than concrete and armcos, etc.)* Realistic gravel trap effects (Come on, you know you wanna do an Andretti at Mid-Ohio, admit it...)* Improved Paintkit* realistic sounds actually digitally recorded* animated pit stops* area in pit road that can be drivin off into the infield to get to victory lane..or garage* realistic***pit that has hand on wheel like GPL* better frame rates/3d acceleration/1024x768 resolution* better engine, way more realistic damage to the car, the way the damage is spread across the track in real life...fliping catchin air on other tires* better smoke,skid marks and racing groove*, possible damage of the catch fencing* RED FLAGS* animated workers on the track after a wreck...and if possible ambulances or REAL tow-trucks* marks on the walls after a hit, animated flagmen* more options to change on the car in garage full field of cars* all the current tracks ( if possible...Indianapolis, since it rightfully is CART's) * realistic lookin part-time road courses like with the closed off streets and stuff* fire,fuel and oil leaks, (causin slippery race track)* possible damage to the pit wall..* animated OPPONENT pit stops* more realistic AI cars* weather changes like durin the race, rain, wind, etc* possible use of rain tires, and racing in the rain (regardless of if there was rain that season or not*)

Well I'm not the head honcho of anything, and I'm really not here to tell you the TRUTH (whatever that may be) or to otherwise green light the master feature list of some potential future sim. I believe it was on the Sierra motorsports board where you posted the list and asked for my opinion to which I responded with my honest take on the subject. That said, it's still your list, so do with it as you please. It's perfectly fine to include anything and everything you can possibly imagine that you'd like to see in the sim, but don't expect to get everything. Think about what you want, think about what you need, then think about what you can get... Eric > well guys, we have now heard the TRUTH from the head honcho. I will now repost > the CART feature list so that the CART fans of RAS can help me make a list the > Eric T. Busch would deem plausible, and thus can be seant to

Talk of another CART sim in the works would be fantastic news! I hope it comes true, and that it has all the GPL features, pit stops, all the cars, and maybe even weather to mix up peoples settings on a day by day basis. Brian

I believe that it would be the developers responsibility to deem what can be done and what can't, given their budget and schedule restraints. Coming from a 'master' list such as this one and picking the most appropriate material that THEY decide should be put in the game. It shouldn't be used as an 'all-in-one' game list, but rather as a reminder not to forget something if there are resources to implement it. =-Rigs-= '...whatever answer, however illogical, must be the truth...'

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> Well I'm not the head honcho of anything, and I'm really not here to > tell you the TRUTH (whatever that may be) or to otherwise green light > the master feature list of some potential future sim. I believe it > was on the Sierra motorsports board where you posted the list and > asked for my opinion to which I responded with my honest take on the > subject. That said, it's still your list, so do with it as you > please. It's perfectly fine to include anything and everything you > can possibly imagine that you'd like to see in the sim, but don't > expect to get everything. Think about what you want, think about what > you need, then think about what you can get... > Eric > > well guys, we have now heard the TRUTH from the head honcho. I will > now repost > > the CART feature list so that the CART fans of RAS can help me make > a list the > > Eric T. Busch would deem plausible, and thus can be seant to

Hi! On various sites I read about a GPL demo which let's you race against another driver on Zandvoort and Monza, in 2 different cars. But when I download the + 18 Mb demo, all I get is the same 'old' demo on Watkins. The only difference (apart from the size) is the version number (the old one is 0.0.5 and the new one 1.0.0 or something like that). Is there really a demo as described above, or has every site copied the wrong infomation without checking? Jeroen

Buy - the - full - game - and - you - get - 11 - tracks !!! Andre

ymenard schrieb:

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> > Please define the definition of troll? > 1. A lure or a line with it's lure and hook used in trolling > > I was unaware that trolls existed. > They do, look above ^^ . I personally do alot of fishing, and we do use > alot of trolls. The usenet term is from that, not from the imaginary > creatures living under bridges. Please update your CART wishlist btw :) > Your post was unnecessary and was done in a way that promotes illegal piracy > of Grand Prix Legends.

May I call you from now on "official Ubisoft troll". Nah, that wouldn't be appropriate... ;^) l8er ronny -- The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX! |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

"Eric T. Busch" schrieb: I don't need no stinkin' feature list, just the slightest hint about a new CART sim is a ray of light... ;^) l8er ronny -- The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX! |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

I know what a demo is! I know GPL's got 11 tracks. And a 'free' book... I just asked if there really is a demo as described in my first post! Boy, my simple question created a huge thread with all the info one might need about trolls, but without any real answer! Is it so hard to answer a simple question...? Anyway, I think I figured it out: the info given on the various download pages is all about the full game, not the demo. I can't say it's all very clear though... Take a look at (for instance) http://www.avault.com/pcrl/demo_temp.asp?genre=sims_racing&game=gpleg... Now wouldn't you too expect a demo with two tracks, or am I stupid? Jeroen

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> If you buy a copy, you can drive on 11 tracks, race online on all > these tracks, and get a copy of the book '4 wheel drift' for free! > With a demo you can how this game looks and plays. If you like it, buy > the full game. > Andre > >Hi! > >On various sites I read about a GPL demo which let's you race against > >another driver on Zandvoort and Monza, in 2 different cars. But when I > >donwload the + 18 Mb demo, all I get is the same 'old' demo on Watkins. The > >only difference (apart from the size) is the version number (the old one is > >0.0.5 and the new one 1.0.0 or something like that). Is there really a demo > >as described above, or has every site copied the wrong infomation without > >checking? > >Jeroen

You're stupid for expecting to get a straight answer on this board regarding GPL. Won't happen. :) I also wanted to see a straight answer to this since I like the GPL demo to an extent, but I don't love it. I'd really like to try out another track and some actual racing before deciding whether or not I want to buy it. And no, around here in the boonies of the deep south there are no Best Buys and no bargain bins and no copies of GPL for $10. If I want that I'm driving five hours to Dallas or six hours to New Orleans. !!! :( http://www.avault.com/pcrl/demo_temp.asp?genre=sims_racing&game=gpleg... 13.2 -- -----------------------------------+---------------------------------- Morgan Vincent W. | morganvw at msn dot com ICQ #: 18197225 | http://members.xoom.com/morganv/ -----------------------------------+----------------------------------

Morgan V. heeft geschreven in bericht ... That's exactly what I mean. I'd like to see how my computer (and I) can handle a start and afirst lap with a lot of cars onscreen. Driving around on your own just isn't what this game is about, so the demo is not good: it doesn't give you a good look at the full product. Well, hardly any demo does, of course... Anyway, the demo looks nice, but control seems quit difficult (just as I've heard!) so I think I'll have to pass (until it's VERY cheap). Back to TOCA 2 (my favorite for almost half a year already...) And don't tell me that's not a sim! I couldn't care less: I love it and that's racing on computer what it's all about, isn't it?! Jeroen

There was some post on a Canadian company I believe which had GPL in stock for $14.95. Try deja.com. As for TOCA2, I just played it, and its nice, but does not compare to the precise control feedback you get with GPL. It's far better with respect to control input -> car feedback. If you are willing to try to get better, GPL has a great potential for e***ment when you tame the beast (a bit). The force feedback is also much better than with TOCA2. I just played TOCA2, and it took me 15 minutes to become first (ok, it was Novice). GPL is more challenging, but more rewarding. Ruud van Gaal MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl Art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery

: There was some post on a Canadian company I believe which had GPL in : stock for $14.95. Try deja.com. www.dragon.ca

I was wondering, anyone know if you can install and run replays with the demo, that would give you a fairly good idea if a machine could handle GPL or not. -- Mark London UK Yamaha TRX850

Actually the replays use a different method of playback and are faster on my P2/333 than when driving. I run with *all* graphics turned on and details to 100% in my replays but use detail 0% and most graphic options off when racing. I prefer a consistant 36fps over pretty mirrors and such. I also draw the mirrors every 2nd frame. With the spreadout starting grids and 10 AI drivers I get 36fps on the starts. With 15 internet drivers I get 36fps on the starts too, since my PC is not performing calculations for the AI. Jason.

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> I was wondering, anyone know if you can install and run replays with the > demo, > that would give you a fairly good idea if a machine could handle GPL or not. > -- > Mark > London UK > Yamaha TRX850

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The GPL demo has a full functioning replay system. FULL Fuctioning!!! but u can only see races on the track that u have with the demo, but u can watcha full race with all cars

Hi Again, TRUSRS85 said the replay mode is full functioning in the demo so you could drivers. Summary: http://members.home.net/extra.mondsj/gpl/gplprc2/race10sep10/index.html Replays: http://members.xoom.com/gplprc/specreplays/race10_1to12.zip http://members.xoom.com/gplprc/specreplays/race10_13to25.zip Jason.

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> I was wondering, anyone know if you can install and run replays with the > demo, > that would give you a fairly good idea if a machine could handle GPL or not. > -- > Mark > London UK > Yamaha TRX850

-------- Jason Monds "My other car is a Ferrari" http://members.home.net/gpl.mondsj/gpl - For my combined gas/brake setups (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)