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MSFF better without FF

3 posts by 3 people · 08 Sep 1999 - 16 Sep 1999

Michael La 08 Sep 1999#491264
Hi, I now play GPL without Forcefeedback from my Microsoft FF wheel because I can get a much quicker response to the car. The car now feels unrealistic, and the steering very loose, but I can get faster and more consistant lap times. Its a waste I know. Has anyone else experienced this? Michael -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Come.to/grandprix3: http://come.to/grandprix3 Formula 1 HeadQuarters: http://www.klam71.freeserve.co.uk ICQ: 35693329 ---------------------------------------------------------------
Yes. Though it's not exactly more fun that way and for me definitely not more consistent. The FF helps a lot when you need to keep your lap times up for a longer period of time (in a race) and not take any unnecessary risks, since the car talks to you through the wheel in addition to just speakers and screen. Also, I feel it's easier to learn the tracks with FF. But once you feel confident and know each and every bump and how your car handles through them with your current setups, you actually can ditch the FF without going back to mere centering. It takes some time to get used to the loose wheel and first you tend to overcook the corners when there's no resistance to fight you back, but pretty soon you'll be approaching your PBs at a threatening rate and eventually breaking them. With FF I'm way smoother. But without FF I seem to dance on the limit ALL the time, crossing the line, backing off, crossing the line... so rapidly that it would be absolutely IMPOSSIBLE with FF. When FF's enabled, you simply can't respond to your car's behavior so lightning-fast, the forces that give you valuable feedback and make the experience so much more realistic just won't allow that. You can always tune down the forces but what's the point of having them then. Study your non-FF hotlaps with something like GPLDump and you'll notice that they have more closely started to resemble the ones of the real hotlappers. The steering diagram shows much more hectic action, with stabs of opposite lock here and there. Believe me, you're not the only one pursuing faster lap times with FF disabled. Takes away some of the realism of course, I'm sure the Legends weren't given the opportunity to enjoy the benefits of zero resistance steering. In my experience you'll run a much higher risk of ruining your lap when FF's disabled but if you're able to make the most of it and still stay on the track, it can really pay off in terms of lap times. However, I'd rather maximize fun than just try to shave off a few seconds. --- Antti Markus Peteri 15 miles. your dim light shines from so far away - Soul Asylum, Promises Broken
Quoted text (8 lines)>Hi, >I now play GPL without Forcefeedback from my Microsoft FF wheel because I >can get a much quicker response to the car. The car now feels unrealistic, >and the steering very loose, but I can get faster and more consistant lap >times. >Its a waste I know. Has anyone else experienced this? >Michael
You're missing the whole point of FF. Without FF,the MSFF wheel has no feel to it all. The whole idea of FF is to give you a realistic feel of what the car is doing. It's naturally harder to drive the car with FF,therefore,your lap times will not be as consistent nor as fast at the beginning. Joel Willstein

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