Old N2 Engine

I have been reading this newsgroup for quite awhile, I don't respond much because it seems there are more then enough "experts" in the group. That is not a slam to anyone, there are a lot of you who know your stuff. <Begin Patton's Theme> But I am tired of everyone voicing there opinions on which game is best and so forth. For all of you check the title of this newsgroup, its not specific to one genre of auto racing. Since I don't have all day to read this newsgroup it would be nice to have answers instead of personal opinions added to each thread. Now with regards to this old N2 engine deal. I recall reading that someone actually played the N3 GPL engine game and said it was slow. Remember there is a difference between a 60's open wheel car and a 1999 Stockcar, hence the N2 engine upgrade. Papy is trying to give us the best NASCAR game that they can, and updates to this old engine have occurred almost yearly. If i'm not mistaken we are all greatful for just about everything they have done and are about to do to this old N2 engine; double file restarts, trucks, better and better AI, etc. Given these could all be patches, but you must remember Papy is a business that needs to make money just like any other business. No one complains about EA Sports making a yearly upgrade to their sports line and charging the same $45 per game. So if any of you can do better, step up to the door at Papy and give them the answers they need and quit being an armchair "computer expert." <End Patton's Theme> Ok, open to all comments. Tom Storey

I happen to agree. No one is being forced to buy N3. Personally, I've never disliked anything Papy has released and have always felt it was worth my $$$. Sal V.

On 04 Sep 1999 11:30:26 GMT, O.K., Tom here are a few comments. First off, the purpose of this newsgroup is not to provide messages that are tailored to what *you* want. It is a worldwide discussion group, about racing sims. As a discussion group, there are opinions on which and what is better and lots of other things. It is called free speech, Tom. I'm sorry you don't 'have all day' to read what is here, but to suggest that people should just post 'answers', and not 'personal opinions' is a little bit ludicrous, don't you think? -- * rrevved at mindspring dot com * http://www.cabal.net * http://www.sputum.com

Ed, I think he makes a fair point about the "unnecessary" opinions. Sometimes a guy asks a straight forward questions like "where's a good price for a Voodoo 3" (just an example, not necessarily a question aimed at this new group) and what follows is grammar/spell checkers, sarcastic comments as to why he would buy a card that doesn't support 32-bit graphics, or some other waste of space that isn't a direct answer. Yes, I want the debates in threads that inspire debate. However, if I ask where I can buy Toca 2 in the U.S. do I really need 4 nimrods commenting that Toca2 sucks and I should just buy SCGT? -- Joe Marques > On 04 Sep 1999 11:30:26 GMT, > ><Begin Patton's Theme> > >But I am tired of everyone voicing there opinions on which game is best and so > >forth. For all of you check the title of this newsgroup, its not specific to > >one genre of auto racing. Since I don't have all day to read this newsgroup it > >would be nice to have answers instead of personal opinions added to each > >thread. > ><End Patton's Theme> > >Ok, open to all comments. > >Tom Storey > O.K., Tom here are a few comments. First off, the purpose of this > newsgroup is not to provide messages that are tailored to what > *you* want. It is a worldwide discussion group, about racing sims. > As a discussion group, there are opinions on which and what is > better and lots of other things. > It is called free speech, Tom. > I'm sorry you don't 'have all day' to read what is here, but to suggest > that people should just post 'answers', and not 'personal opinions' is a > little bit ludicrous, don't you think? > -- > * rrevved at mindspring dot com > * http://www.cabal.net > * http://www.sputum.com

the physics engine in a game models cars based on car details that are fed into it. The GPL engine can model any car, just enter its details, and itll give a very good representation of that car (David Kaemmer said that he could place his own car details into if and it would drive correctly). So inputing NASCAR details into the GPL engine would give you an accurate nascar to play around with The N2engine isnt as advanced. It doesnt model as many things as the GPL engine. It doesnt model them as frequently, and most of all, it doesnt feel as real as the GPL modeled cars. Thats not to say N3 wont be good, it might be, i havent played it yet (monday with any luck, and im playing GP3 as well...) pez 101

On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 15:40:30 +0100, HUH? -- * rrevved at mindspring dot com * http://www.cabal.net * http://www.sputum.com

>Ed, I think he makes a fair point about the "unnecessary" opinions. >Sometimes a guy asks a straight forward questions like "where's a good price >for a Voodoo 3" (just an example, not necessarily a question aimed at this >new group) and what follows is grammar/spell checkers, sarcastic comments as >to why he would buy a card that doesn't support 32-bit graphics, or some >other waste of space that isn't a direct answer. Yes, I want the debates in >threads that inspire debate. However, if I ask where I can buy Toca 2 in >the U.S. do I really need 4 nimrods commenting that Toca2 sucks and I should >just buy SCGT? Only 4? Are we shorthanded on nimrods these days? If so, let me know and I'll send some over from the R.A.S.I. newsgroup . . . <G> -- JB [Nimrod or humorist -- YOU be the judge!]

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>Joe Marques >> On 04 Sep 1999 11:30:26 GMT, >> ><Begin Patton's Theme> >> >But I am tired of everyone voicing there opinions on which game is best >and so >> >forth. For all of you check the title of this newsgroup, its not >specific to >> >one genre of auto racing. Since I don't have all day to read this >newsgroup it >> >would be nice to have answers instead of personal opinions added to each >> >thread. >> ><End Patton's Theme> >> >Ok, open to all comments. >> >Tom Storey >> O.K., Tom here are a few comments. First off, the purpose of this >> newsgroup is not to provide messages that are tailored to what >> *you* want. It is a worldwide discussion group, about racing sims. >> As a discussion group, there are opinions on which and what is >> better and lots of other things. >> It is called free speech, Tom. >> I'm sorry you don't 'have all day' to read what is here, but to suggest >> that people should just post 'answers', and not 'personal opinions' is a >> little bit ludicrous, don't you think? >> -- >> * rrevved at mindspring dot com >> * http://www.cabal.net >> * http://www.sputum.com

It is a holiday so many of the nimrods are away for the weekend! -- Joe Marques > >Ed, I think he makes a fair point about the "unnecessary" opinions. > >Sometimes a guy asks a straight forward questions like "where's a good > price > >for a Voodoo 3" (just an example, not necessarily a question aimed at this > >new group) and what follows is grammar/spell checkers, sarcastic comments > as > >to why he would buy a card that doesn't support 32-bit graphics, or some > >other waste of space that isn't a direct answer. Yes, I want the debates > in > >threads that inspire debate. However, if I ask where I can buy Toca 2 in > >the U.S. do I really need 4 nimrods commenting that Toca2 sucks and I > should > >just buy SCGT? > Only 4? Are we shorthanded on nimrods these days? If so, let me know and > I'll send some over from the R.A.S.I. newsgroup . . . <G> > -- JB [Nimrod or humorist -- YOU be the judge!] > >Joe Marques > >> On 04 Sep 1999 11:30:26 GMT, > >> ><Begin Patton's Theme> > >> >But I am tired of everyone voicing there opinions on which game is best > >and so > >> >forth. For all of you check the title of this newsgroup, its not > >specific to > >> >one genre of auto racing. Since I don't have all day to read this > >newsgroup it > >> >would be nice to have answers instead of personal opinions added to each > >> >thread. > >> ><End Patton's Theme> > >> >Ok, open to all comments. > >> >Tom Storey > >> O.K., Tom here are a few comments. First off, the purpose of this > >> newsgroup is not to provide messages that are tailored to what > >> *you* want. It is a worldwide discussion group, about racing sims. > >> As a discussion group, there are opinions on which and what is > >> better and lots of other things. > >> It is called free speech, Tom. > >> I'm sorry you don't 'have all day' to read what is here, but to suggest > >> that people should just post 'answers', and not 'personal opinions' is a > >> little bit ludicrous, don't you think? > >> -- > >> * rrevved at mindspring dot com > >> * http://www.cabal.net > >> * http://www.sputum.com

But that's the true love of the Usenet. It's what I call controlled chaos. It's a very bizarre and unique psychology structure, and has some pretty weird effect on sociological opinions of people. This newsgroup always had a tradition of rating games vs other games, comparing weak and strong points about each. This will probably never change, so people who are not ok with this will have to accept or just try to find another place, which doesn't exist. Somehow, we all know as a fact that Toca 2 sucks and you should just buy SCGT ;-D -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

ECTS probably has N3 in demonstration there, and we all know that GP3 is being shown there. We are all awaiting the big news about how it is. It's been a BIG wait ;-) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."