Papyrus: What's Next?

Not wanting to sound ungrateful, but now that Nascar3 has gone gold, and on what's next? Like, are you planning on using that CART license you acquired? Going to hit the current F1 market? Some news would be sweet. Andy Backa The only skills I have the patience to learn are those that have no real application in life. - Calvin and Hobbes Chewey Pages: http://home.istar.ca/~chewey

why do you people hate stockcars so much?

one reason boring oval tracks. road courses are more exciting >why do you people hate stockcars so much?

Maybe to you. There are some people that prefer oval tracks over road courses. Racer X Veteran Sim Racer Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

Not me man, stock cars and ovals are the only way to go for me. -- Don Burnette Dburn on Ten http://members.home.net/d.burnette/Sportsman%204.htm

>Not wanting to sound ungrateful, but now that Nascar3 has gone gold, and in >on what's next? Like, are you planning on using that CART license you >acquired? Going to hit the current F1 market? Some news would be sweet. No! Nascars, karts, CART, anything else...... more ledgends but please not a modern F1 game, I think Papy aren't that sort of company, Modern F1 ain't their style in my opinion. But I'd fully welcome a CART sim, or a kart sim, GPL 1950's, 1970's 1980's...... you know, different F1 eras, that would be tremendous! If I were Papy, I'd keep going in the dirrectioon they are now and not venture into unknown teritory, anyway....... they have the market cornered on all the other sims they ould do, wy bother with modern F1, they'l be too much competition and in my opinion GP3 (if we EVER get it) and RS3 out next year woul be too big a competition since they're already establisted as great sims.

Yeah... F1, Everyone loves a parade. ;) Scott PA-Scott -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 4395450

>Yeah... F1, Everyone loves a parade. Yeah I can here the spotter now..... Stay behind the #14 car, or you're fired :)

Nascar Legends 2 , Nascar 4, Nascar 2001, Nascar Early Lengends and Nascar 5 !! Then retirement !

is there any other sport besides nascar? oh yea...that ***ing sport indy...or the cart racing series...or something like that...truthfully i have more fun watching a presidential race....:)

> Nascar Legends 2 , Nascar 4, Nascar 2001, Nascar Early Lengends and Nascar 5 !! No Craftsman Trucks???????????????????????? <G> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

it's alot more fun to watch the speed and racing in CART than the "oh let's all follow Jeff and Dale and Mark" show that NASCAR puts on every Sunday! (although this year with Montoya it's frustrating as well) >is there any other sport besides nascar? >oh yea...that ***ing sport indy...or the cart racing series...or something >like that...truthfully i have more fun watching a presidential race....:)

Psst, there's more than just those 'drivers'. Racer X Veteran Sim Racer Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

> Nascar Legends 2 , Nascar 4, Nascar 2001, Nascar Early Lengends and Nascar 5 !! > Then retirement ! Why not just retirement??? Now, please??? DF Daniel.Frois.vcf < 1K Download

Two ideas. 1. How about WOO super modified's? A niche market - but oh, what potential. 2. How about a "storyline" career racing sim? You start out as a local yuk then move through the ranks to NASCAR, CART, whatever. SCGT "kinda" tried this....just more in-depth storyline. Not GP Manager either.

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| >let's | >all follow Jeff and Dale and Mark" show that NASCAR puts on every Sunday! | | Psst, there's more than just those 'drivers'. | Racer X | Veteran Sim Racer | Victory Lane- | http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

They'll have to do better than that to get my money !!! If I wanna go round in circles I'll go to the funfair :) -- Ian Parker UKGPL League [link lost in import] -- > Nascar Legends 2 , Nascar 4, Nascar 2001, Nascar Early Lengends and Nascar 5 !! > Then retirement !

How about an oval-based late-model dirt track sim with a full career mode? That would be Ratbag's upcoming Dirt Track Racing title. Here's the scoop on the career mode: Players will start out with a limited budget with which to buy a car and compete in the Pure Stock class. Here cars are very cheap with the competition similarly equipped, displaying the greenness of their driving skill since they haven't won enough races to afford a souped up ride. To move forward you must win races and, consequently, prize-money to upgrade your parts and eventually purchase an entirely new car. After winning enough races at the 'Pure Stock' level, you can move into the Production Stock class where the cars are faster, with many cars based on the classic muscle cars of the 60s and 70s. The next stage is the Late Model Class with highly modified stock cars with fibre glass bodies and the like -- see the picture below for an idea of what to expect. Here the prize money is the greatest and the competition the most fierce. For the full story, check out the review from the IGN site: http://www.ivga.com/dascar_dtr_ign-news-1.htm This should pretty much fit the bill you've described! -- JB

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>Two ideas. >1. How about WOO super modified's? A niche market - but oh, what potential. >2. How about a "storyline" career racing sim? You start out as a local yuk >then move through the ranks to NASCAR, CART, whatever. SCGT "kinda" tried >this....just more in-depth storyline. Not GP Manager either. >| >let's >| >all follow Jeff and Dale and Mark" show that NASCAR puts on every

Sunday! >| >| Psst, there's more than just those 'drivers'. >| Racer X >| Veteran Sim Racer >| Victory Lane- >| http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

>why do you people hate stockcars so much? This was the original post: Not wanting to sound ungrateful, but now that Nascar3 has gone gold, and on what's next? Like, are you planning on using that CART license you acquired? Going to hit the current F1 market? Some news would be sweet. Now, WHERE did he say he hated stock cars? He just asked what was being planned. Is that a federal offense now...? Sheesh... __ Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto GPL.GAMESTATS.COM/VROC If all the world's a stage, where is the audience sitting? remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>>why do you people hate stockcars so much? >This was the original post: >Not wanting to sound ungrateful, but now that Nascar3 has gone gold, and >on what's next? Like, are you planning on using that CART license you >acquired? Going to hit the current F1 market? Some news would be sweet. >Now, WHERE did he say he hated stock cars? He just asked what was being >planned. Is that a federal offense now...? >Sheesh...

Being the original poster (thanks for the support by the way)... I don't hate NASCAR at all - I watch it when I can. I just prefer the open wheel variety much better. Saw the F1 race in Montreal twice, and had a blast both times. CART is my favorite series though, and is long overdue for some attention. That's it. I will buy Nascar3 - no questions there. But I'd really love CART3. Andy Backa The only skills I have the patience to learn are those that have no real application in life. - Calvin and Hobbes Chewey Pages: http://home.istar.ca/~chewey

<< why do you people hate stockcars so much? <g> Cos they handle like bulldozers, and because, every now and then, I like to turn right. Sky

It was rumored some time ago that an updated CART sim using the GPL engine would be Papy's next project. Not sure where that stands now, given the problems that arose with N3. But it seems to me that the previous Indy sims didn't run that many more cars than GPL. So maybe 1 year down the road the average machine will be able to handle the duty. We can only hope..... *** Tim Wortman *** www.nasscar.com NASS99 Series Director www.4cds.com/racing Official Sponsor of NASS99

CART has 27 cars. This wouldn't be too hard considering todays cpus. 43 NASCARS would be difficult. But not 27 CARTS.

> CART has 27 cars. This wouldn't be too hard considering todays cpus. > 43 NASCARS would be difficult. But not 27 CARTS. Depends on how detailed the model is. At the highest level it seems to me that modelling the aerodynamics of 43 NASCAR cars (more or less just a rear spoiler) would be far simpler than modelling the perverse aerodynamics of 27 CART cars (front wing, rear wing, undertray, and God only knows what else). You would also need a rather bizarre and complicated AI model to account for the oddities of Paul Tracy in the CART sim. ;-) - George

Well, Papyrus has already started on that with the AI modeling of John Surtees in GPL and Dale Earnhardt in Nascar Racing 3 hehehe ;) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

> You would also need a rather bizarre and complicated AI model to > account for the oddities of Paul Tracy in the CART sim. ;-) > - George Nah. You just need a leftover kamikaze ICR2 AI or two. That'll simulate him just fine! =-) -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX!

> > You would also need a rather bizarre and complicated AI model to > > account for the oddities of Paul Tracy in the CART sim. ;-) > Well, Papyrus has already started on that with the AI modeling of John > Surtees in GPL and Dale Earnhardt in Nascar Racing 3 hehehe ;) Are you just kidding, or is there really something special about Surtees's AI? I know he's constantly crashing into my rear in offline races.

> You would also need a rather bizarre and complicated AI model to > account for the oddities of Paul Tracy in the CART sim. ;-) Just copy the AI from CPS. -- Toni Lassila

You turn right when correcting for the huge slide coming off the slick turns at Bristol ;-D

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> <g> Cos they handle like bulldozers, and because, every now and then, I like > to turn right. > Sky > > why do you people hate stockcars so much?

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> > > You would also need a rather bizarre and complicated AI model to > > > account for the oddities of Paul Tracy in the CART sim. ;-) > > Well, Papyrus has already started on that with the AI modeling of John > > Surtees in GPL and Dale Earnhardt in Nascar Racing 3 hehehe ;) > Are you just kidding, or is there really something special about > Surtees's AI? I know he's constantly crashing into my rear in offline

races. Well that's exactly why I said that. It's actually a beta AI model of Paul Tracy for the possible upcoming CART title by Papyrus ;) <sarcasm> -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

>You would also need a rather bizarre and complicated AI model to >account for the oddities of Paul Tracy in the CART sim. ;-) Nah, hust use a combination of Earnhardt and Rindt, with a dash of 'king Hiro thrown in... :-) Eldred __ Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc If all the world's a stage, where is the audience sitting? remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> You would also need a rather bizarre and complicated AI model to > account for the oddities of Paul Tracy in the CART sim. ;-) Is excessive testosterone difficult to model? :-) Marty