Which Momo?

I am planning on buying a Logitech Momo force feedback wheel, but I am trying to decide between which Momo wheel. The Logitech web site does not give very detailed information to decide between the two. The Momo Force is red, has paddle shifters, and costs more The Momo Racing Force is black and has a stick shift I assume the red one is better to justify the cost difference, but I was wondering if there is any significant technical or functional differences between the two. I would appreciate any information you could provide to help me choose.

I just recently got the momo racing setup. Before I had a well used (many times rebuilt) thrustmaster nascar pro. I am just now getting my games fine tuned for the force feedback but enjoying setup alot. I paid 80 dollars for mine and feel very good investment. To me the stick shift was important. More plastic on the racing wheel but still well built I feel. "rcmrcm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I am planning on buying a Logitech Momo force feedback wheel, but I am > trying to decide between which Momo wheel. The Logitech web site does > not give very detailed information to decide between the two. > > The Momo Force is red, has paddle shifters, and costs more > The Momo Racing Force is black and has a stick shift > > I assume the red one is better to justify the cost difference, but I > was wondering if there is any significant technical or functional > differences between the two. > > I would appreciate any information you could provide to help me > choose.

The Red Force has a superior Wheel and Mechanics, but the pedals are, well, terrible. The Black force, from what I hear, has much much better pedals, but they went 5 steps backwards on the wheel quality/mechanics. Or so I've read. There are still MSFF Wheels out there for around $80 (and that's regular price). It's an extremely durable wheel, and it works just fine. Until MS killed off it's SideWinder department, it was the #1 selling wheel (ain't that odd). Mine is going on 3 or 4 years old now (I've lost track) and the only issue I've had is the left shifter button is starting to miss a beat every now and then. That just started about 6 months ago, and if I ever get time I'll just tear it apart and clean it. I'm waiting for a blow-out sale at Best Buy or something on these and I'll pick up one or two myself. Things have gotten _awfully_ quite about Act Labs lately, and that can't be a good thing. -Larry "rcmrcm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I am planning on buying a Logitech Momo force feedback wheel, but I am > trying to decide between which Momo wheel. The Logitech web site does > not give very detailed information to decide between the two. > > The Momo Force is red, has paddle shifters, and costs more > The Momo Racing Force is black and has a stick shift > > I assume the red one is better to justify the cost difference, but I > was wondering if there is any significant technical or functional > differences between the two. > > I would appreciate any information you could provide to help me > choose.

I would have to agree, the MS Sidewinder FF wheel is a very good wheel for the price, and if you can pick them up cheap they are very well worth the price. Although lately I have been using my original Momo Leather wheel with the MS pedals, the MS wheel is pretty darn good as well. Don Burnette Larry wrote:

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> The Red Force has a superior Wheel and Mechanics, but the pedals are, > well, terrible. > > The Black force, from what I hear, has much much better pedals, but > they went 5 steps backwards on the wheel quality/mechanics. Or so > I've read. > > There are still MSFF Wheels out there for around $80 (and that's > regular price). It's an extremely durable wheel, and it works just > fine. Until MS killed off it's SideWinder department, it was the #1 > selling wheel (ain't that odd). > > Mine is going on 3 or 4 years old now (I've lost track) and the only > issue I've had is the left shifter button is starting to miss a beat > every now and then. That just started about 6 months ago, and if I > ever get time I'll just tear it apart and clean it. > > I'm waiting for a blow-out sale at Best Buy or something on these and > I'll pick up one or two myself. > > Things have gotten _awfully_ quite about Act Labs lately, and that > can't be a good thing. > > -Larry > > "rcmrcm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> I am planning on buying a Logitech Momo force feedback wheel, but I >> am trying to decide between which Momo wheel. The Logitech web site >> does not give very detailed information to decide between the two. >> >> The Momo Force is red, has paddle shifters, and costs more >> The Momo Racing Force is black and has a stick shift >> >> I assume the red one is better to justify the cost difference, but I >> was wondering if there is any significant technical or functional >> differences between the two. >> >> I would appreciate any information you could provide to help me >> choose.

The cheaper MOMO racing has paddle shifters as well as a stick shift. The construction is mainly tough plastic as opposed to the steel bearing in the MOMO force. The pedals are far superior on the cheaper wheel and surprisingly the rubber wheel feels way better than the leather wheel. The only reason to buy the more expensive MOMO is if you drive like a gorilla.

I wont bash the Momo racing wheel but I had one and after the third right paddle shifter went kaput I opted for the Momo Force. I cant comment on the pedals as I use the Act Labs perf pedals. The overall feel/smoothness of the Force is far superior to the racing. That said the effects seem stronger and a touch more realistic on the racing than the force. I really like the Momo Force and recommend it over the Momo racing any time price isnt the issue. red=force black=racing Mitch "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bpq7bm$1r13t3$[email hidden]... > The cheaper MOMO racing has paddle shifters as well as a stick shift. The > construction is mainly tough plastic as opposed to the steel bearing inthe > MOMO force. The pedals are far superior on the cheaper wheel and > surprisingly the rubber wheel feels way better than the leather wheel.The > only reason to buy the more expensive MOMO is if you drive like a gorilla. > >

"Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<bpq7bm$1r13t3$[email hidden]>... > The cheaper MOMO racing has paddle shifters as well as a stick shift. The > construction is mainly tough plastic as opposed to the steel bearing in the > MOMO force. The pedals are far superior on the cheaper wheel and > surprisingly the rubber wheel feels way better than the leather wheel. The > only reason to buy the more expensive MOMO is if you drive like a gorilla. I found an article that had the detailed comparison I wanted at http://tinyurl.com/3n9s Based on the photos included in the in depth review, the Force gear mechanism appears more robust. I'm buying the red one. Thanks all for your comments.

> I wont bash the Momo racing wheel but I had one and after the third right > paddle shifter went kaput I opted for the Momo Force. I cant comment onthe > pedals as I use the Act Labs perf pedals. The overall feel/smoothness of > the Force is far superior to the racing. That said the effects seem > stronger and a touch more realistic on the racing than the force. Ireally > like the Momo Force and recommend it over the Momo racing any time price > isnt the issue. I do too but only for highly aggressive drivers. I think after breaking 3 shifters you would definitely fall into that category....The smoothness feels much the same to me after the wheels are worn in - they're both a bit stiff when new. The optical system in the racing is more precise and would probably last longer than the pot in the force. I would also find it difficult to recommend the force to anyone intending to use the pedals.

Actually Im quite easy on my hardware. There was a known design defect which may or may not have been corrected in subsequent production runs. The three defective wheels I mentioned all broke within a month shortly after the release of the racing wheel. I agree about the pedals even though I never used em. The extra pivot just kinda ruined em. Give me a roller wheel like my old T1 any day. The racing pedals arent all that much better either. Mitch "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bprfhv$1r7oqg$[email hidden]> > I do too but only for highly aggressive drivers. I think after breaking 3 > shifters you would definitely fall into that category....The smoothness > feels much the same to me after the wheels are worn in - they're both abit > stiff when new. The optical system in the racing is more precise andwould > probably last longer than the pot in the force. I would also find it > difficult to recommend the force to anyone intending to use the pedals. > >

I got me a spare MS FF, for I think 68 bucks at Amazon.com. funny... but after wasting the money, I realized that I will only need a backup one, if the house catches on fire, or something... :) This one has been running great for about 2 years, and I got it used from ebay. Logitech, the 'force' one is Force Feedback, is the 'racing' also force feedback?? "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RCWvb.13410$yM6.7901@lakeread06... > The Red Force has a superior Wheel and Mechanics, but the pedals are,well,

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> terrible. > > The Black force, from what I hear, has much much better pedals, but they > went 5 steps backwards on the wheel quality/mechanics. Or so I've read. > > There are still MSFF Wheels out there for around $80 (and that's regular > price). It's an extremely durable wheel, and it works just fine. Until

MS > killed off it's SideWinder department, it was the #1 selling wheel (ain't > that odd). > > Mine is going on 3 or 4 years old now (I've lost track) and the only issue > I've had is the left shifter button is starting to miss a beat every nowand

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> then. That just started about 6 months ago, and if I ever get time I'll > just tear it apart and clean it. > > I'm waiting for a blow-out sale at Best Buy or something on these and I'll > pick up one or two myself. > > Things have gotten _awfully_ quite about Act Labs lately, and that can't

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> a good thing. > > -Larry > > "rcmrcm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I am planning on buying a Logitech Momo force feedback wheel, but I am > > trying to decide between which Momo wheel. The Logitech web site does > > not give very detailed information to decide between the two. > > > > The Momo Force is red, has paddle shifters, and costs more > > The Momo Racing Force is black and has a stick shift > > > > I assume the red one is better to justify the cost difference, but I > > was wondering if there is any significant technical or functional > > differences between the two. > > > > I would appreciate any information you could provide to help me > > choose. > >

Yes the racing does have FF. In fact maybe just a little better FF feel than the Force but thats subjective. "Sting32" <Plowboy is Stingre.AT.y!> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I got me a spare MS FF, for I think 68 bucks at Amazon.com. > > funny... but after wasting the money, I realized that I will only need a > backup one, if the house catches on fire, or something... :) This onehas

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> been running great for about 2 years, and I got it used from ebay. > > Logitech, the 'force' one is Force Feedback, is the 'racing' also force > feedback?? > > >

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> "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<bpq7bm$1r13t3$[email hidden]>... > > The cheaper MOMO racing has paddle shifters as well as a stick shift. The > > construction is mainly tough plastic as opposed to the steel bearing in the > > MOMO force. The pedals are far superior on the cheaper wheel and > > surprisingly the rubber wheel feels way better than the leather wheel. The > > only reason to buy the more expensive MOMO is if you drive like a gorilla. > > I found an article that had the detailed comparison I wanted at > http://tinyurl.com/3n9s > > Based on the photos included in the in depth review, the Force gear > mechanism appears more robust. I'm buying the red one. > > Thanks all for your comments.

The Microsoft FF Wheel is on sale at CompUSA for 39.99.

No kidding! Time go break out the CC :) -Larry "Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > [email hidden] (rcmrcm) wrote in messagenews:<[email hidden]>... > > "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<bpq7bm$1r13t3$[email hidden]>... > > > The cheaper MOMO racing has paddle shifters as well as a stick shift.The > > > construction is mainly tough plastic as opposed to the steel bearingin the > > > MOMO force. The pedals are far superior on the cheaper wheel and > > > surprisingly the rubber wheel feels way better than the leather wheel.The > > > only reason to buy the more expensive MOMO is if you drive like agorilla.

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> > > > I found an article that had the detailed comparison I wanted at > > http://tinyurl.com/3n9s > > > > Based on the photos included in the in depth review, the Force gear > > mechanism appears more robust. I'm buying the red one. > > > > Thanks all for your comments. > > The Microsoft FF Wheel is on sale at CompUSA for 39.99.

Just ordered one. Man, CompUSA rakes you over the coals for shipping though! $15.50 for GROUND shipping! Anyway, total was $57.50. I can live with it (and they know that, bastaads). Thanks for the tip :) -Larry "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bQ8xb.15168$yM6.867@lakeread06...

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> No kidding! Time go break out the CC :) > > -Larry > > "Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > [email hidden] (rcmrcm) wrote in message > news:<[email hidden]>... > > The Microsoft FF Wheel is on sale at CompUSA for 39.99. > >