GPL 1.1 and "turbo / slomo image effect

In the past 3 weeks, I was suffering from a problem that seem impossible to cure until finally I put the finger on the cause of it. With the venue of GPL 1.1 there's some people without problems, others suffer badly from frame stutter (offline and / or online), now commonly known as slomo / turbo frame rate. Rather difficult to drive this way. Yesterday, in an ultimate attempt to cure it (i was gonna give up {g}, finally got it!! Full story HERE : http://www.simracingmag.com Hope this will help some of you :) BTW I still need about 45 people to fill the GPL RACERS SURVEY For those who haven't done it, please check it out. Cheers Eric webmaster.vcf < 1K Download

Eric, my slow-mo problems were gone after I reinstalled windows. To be sure that the install was 100& fresh I first deleted my windows directory, then I did the new install. No more problems after that. After I read your explanation, it can be that before I installed windows again I also had irq conflicts. Now I don't have them and everything is working perfect again. But I still wonder why the problems only came after the patch... what has changed since the patch that GPL becomes so vulnerable for irq conflics? Andre On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:59:09 -0400, Eric Cote

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>This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >--------------6ED2D21CC31C7A30E87692A7 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >In the past 3 weeks, I was suffering from a problem that seem impossible >to cure until finally I put the finger on the cause of it. With the >venue >of GPL 1.1 there's some people without problems, others suffer badly >from >frame stutter (offline and / or online), now commonly known as slomo / >turbo frame rate. Rather difficult to drive this way. Yesterday, in an >ultimate attempt to cure it (i was gonna give up {g}, finally got it!! >Full story HERE : http://www.simracingmag.com >Hope this will help some of you :) >BTW I still need about 45 people to fill the GPL RACERS SURVEY >For those who haven't done it, please check it out. >Cheers >Eric >--------------6ED2D21CC31C7A30E87692A7 >Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; > name="webmaster.vcf" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Description: Card for Eric Cote >Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="webmaster.vcf" >begin:vcard >n:Cote;Eric >x-mozilla-html:FALSE >adr:;;;;;; >version:2.1 >fn:Eric Cote >end:vcard >--------------6ED2D21CC31C7A30E87692A7--

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> Eric, my slow-mo problems were gone after I reinstalled windows. To be > sure that the install was 100& fresh I first deleted my windows > directory, then I did the new install. No more problems after that. > After I read your explanation, it can be that before I installed > windows again I also had irq conflicts. Now I don't have them and > everything is working perfect again. > But I still wonder why the problems only came after the patch... what > has changed since the patch that GPL becomes so vulnerable for irq > conflics?

Can it be that since the 1.1 patch we have FF implemented? I don't know whether there's been a survey (sorry: again a survey, but I think this time one which could give the PAPY guys a clue on what's wrong with their 1.1 patch) on what configurations experience the slo-mo effect. Maybe it would indeed become clear it has something to do with USB (remember that f.e. the LWFF uses USB!) and/or assigned IRQ's which could cause conflicts.

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> Andre > On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:59:09 -0400, Eric Cote > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >--------------6ED2D21CC31C7A30E87692A7 > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >In the past 3 weeks, I was suffering from a problem that seem impossible > >to cure until finally I put the finger on the cause of it. With the > >venue > >of GPL 1.1 there's some people without problems, others suffer badly > >from > >frame stutter (offline and / or online), now commonly known as slomo / > >turbo frame rate. Rather difficult to drive this way. Yesterday, in an > >ultimate attempt to cure it (i was gonna give up {g}, finally got it!! > >Full story HERE : http://www.simracingmag.com > >Hope this will help some of you :) > >BTW I still need about 45 people to fill the GPL RACERS SURVEY > >For those who haven't done it, please check it out. > >Cheers > >Eric > >--------------6ED2D21CC31C7A30E87692A7 > >Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; > > name="webmaster.vcf" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Content-Description: Card for Eric Cote > >Content-Disposition: attachment; > > filename="webmaster.vcf" > >begin:vcard > >n:Cote;Eric > >x-mozilla-html:FALSE > >adr:;;;;;; > >version:2.1 > >fn:Eric Cote > >end:vcard > >--------------6ED2D21CC31C7A30E87692A7--

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>> Eric, my slow-mo problems were gone after I reinstalled windows. To be >> sure that the install was 100& fresh I first deleted my windows >> directory, then I did the new install. No more problems after that. >> After I read your explanation, it can be that before I installed >> windows again I also had irq conflicts. Now I don't have them and >> everything is working perfect again. >> But I still wonder why the problems only came after the patch... what >> has changed since the patch that GPL becomes so vulnerable for irq >> conflics? >Can it be that since the 1.1 patch we have FF implemented? I don't know >whether there's been a survey (sorry: again a survey, but I think this time >one which could give the PAPY guys a clue on what's wrong with their 1.1 >patch) on what configurations experience the slo-mo effect. Maybe it would >indeed become clear it has something to do with USB (remember that f.e. the >LWFF uses USB!) and/or assigned IRQ's which could cause conflicts. >> Andre >> On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:59:09 -0400, Eric Cote >> >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >> >--------------6ED2D21CC31C7A30E87692A7 >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >In the past 3 weeks, I was suffering from a problem that seem impossible >> >to cure until finally I put the finger on the cause of it. With the >> >venue >> >of GPL 1.1 there's some people without problems, others suffer badly >> >from >> >frame stutter (offline and / or online), now commonly known as slomo / >> >turbo frame rate. Rather difficult to drive this way. Yesterday, in an >> >ultimate attempt to cure it (i was gonna give up {g}, finally got it!! >> >Full story HERE : http://www.simracingmag.com >> >Hope this will help some of you :) >> >BTW I still need about 45 people to fill the GPL RACERS SURVEY >> >For those who haven't done it, please check it out. >> >Cheers >> >Eric >> >--------------6ED2D21CC31C7A30E87692A7 >> >Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; >> > name="webmaster.vcf" >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >Content-Description: Card for Eric Cote >> >Content-Disposition: attachment; >> > filename="webmaster.vcf" >> >begin:vcard >> >n:Cote;Eric >> >x-mozilla-html:FALSE >> >adr:;;;;;; >> >version:2.1 >> >fn:Eric Cote >> >end:vcard >> >--------------6ED2D21CC31C7A30E87692A7--

I am glad you have fixed yours, but I still have it--with no resource conflicts or sharing whatsoever. When I recently installed a Hercules Thriller 3D, I noticed that the slo mo was virtually eliminated on that card while it remains on my V2, with no other changes to the system. Then, playing around a bit with slots and IRQ's, I managed to get a bunch of things, including the Thriller, sharing and overlapping (but not officially conflicting in Windows) and there is still almost no slo mo with the Thriller. This is a hugely complex problem that is going to take a lot of testing to resolve. I am officially volunteering for beta testing duty here and now. We owe it to Randy and the others who tried to help us out (with more GPL features) to get this mess resolved as quickly and efficiently as possible. Marc.

Like I've explained, my created the problem by going with a LWFF that runs on USB, i had a potential conflict before, but since i never used the USB in GPL it was potent only. Cheers Eric http://www.simracingmag.com

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> Eric, my slow-mo problems were gone after I reinstalled windows. To be > sure that the install was 100& fresh I first deleted my windows > directory, then I did the new install. No more problems after that. > After I read your explanation, it can be that before I installed > windows again I also had irq conflicts. Now I don't have them and > everything is working perfect again. > But I still wonder why the problems only came after the patch... what > has changed since the patch that GPL becomes so vulnerable for irq > conflics? > Andre > On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:59:09 -0400, Eric Cote > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >--------------6ED2D21CC31C7A30E87692A7 > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >In the past 3 weeks, I was suffering from a problem that seem impossible > >to cure until finally I put the finger on the cause of it. With the > >venue > >of GPL 1.1 there's some people without problems, others suffer badly > >from > >frame stutter (offline and / or online), now commonly known as slomo / > >turbo frame rate. Rather difficult to drive this way. Yesterday, in an > >ultimate attempt to cure it (i was gonna give up {g}, finally got it!! > >Full story HERE : http://www.simracingmag.com > >Hope this will help some of you :) > >BTW I still need about 45 people to fill the GPL RACERS SURVEY > >For those who haven't done it, please check it out. > >Cheers > >Eric > >--------------6ED2D21CC31C7A30E87692A7 > >Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; > > name="webmaster.vcf" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Content-Description: Card for Eric Cote > >Content-Disposition: attachment; > > filename="webmaster.vcf" > >begin:vcard > >n:Cote;Eric > >x-mozilla-html:FALSE > >adr:;;;;;; > >version:2.1 > >fn:Eric Cote > >end:vcard > >--------------6ED2D21CC31C7A30E87692A7--

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There you go, since i brought a USB device that is used in GPL, bingo That doesn't mean it could be another type of conflict, just happened that my USB was potent until I use it Cheers Eric http://www.simracingmag.com

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> > Eric, my slow-mo problems were gone after I reinstalled windows. To be > > sure that the install was 100& fresh I first deleted my windows > > directory, then I did the new install. No more problems after that. > > After I read your explanation, it can be that before I installed > > windows again I also had irq conflicts. Now I don't have them and > > everything is working perfect again. > > But I still wonder why the problems only came after the patch... what > > has changed since the patch that GPL becomes so vulnerable for irq > > conflics? > Can it be that since the 1.1 patch we have FF implemented? I don't know > whether there's been a survey (sorry: again a survey, but I think this time > one which could give the PAPY guys a clue on what's wrong with their 1.1 > patch) on what configurations experience the slo-mo effect. Maybe it would > indeed become clear it has something to do with USB (remember that f.e. the > LWFF uses USB!) and/or assigned IRQ's which could cause conflicts. > > Andre > > On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:59:09 -0400, Eric Cote > > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > >--------------6ED2D21CC31C7A30E87692A7 > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >In the past 3 weeks, I was suffering from a problem that seem impossible > > >to cure until finally I put the finger on the cause of it. With the > > >venue > > >of GPL 1.1 there's some people without problems, others suffer badly > > >from > > >frame stutter (offline and / or online), now commonly known as slomo / > > >turbo frame rate. Rather difficult to drive this way. Yesterday, in an > > >ultimate attempt to cure it (i was gonna give up {g}, finally got it!! > > >Full story HERE : http://www.simracingmag.com > > >Hope this will help some of you :) > > >BTW I still need about 45 people to fill the GPL RACERS SURVEY > > >For those who haven't done it, please check it out. > > >Cheers > > >Eric > > >--------------6ED2D21CC31C7A30E87692A7 > > >Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; > > > name="webmaster.vcf" > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >Content-Description: Card for Eric Cote > > >Content-Disposition: attachment; > > > filename="webmaster.vcf" > > >begin:vcard > > >n:Cote;Eric > > >x-mozilla-html:FALSE > > >adr:;;;;;; > > >version:2.1 > > >fn:Eric Cote > > >end:vcard > > >--------------6ED2D21CC31C7A30E87692A7-- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Name: J.H.Hovius.vcf > J.H.Hovius.vcf Type: VCard (text/x-vcard) > Encoding: 7bit > Description: Card for Jan Hovius

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Well, I guess we are all aware that this cannot be the general solution, although it may work for some happy people. I don't see how one can get away without irq sharing on a pretty normal system which has the necessary hardware for Ethernet, WAN, decent sound and graphics, USB etc. And you probably cannot expect the average user to fiddle with his system resources just to work around this. I also have the (offline) slowmo problem (on a 333 MHz Pentium II with 128 MB RAM and V3-2000), and I tried everything, from the tweaks described in the VROC 1.1 FAQ up to reinstalling Windows from scratch. Following your remarks I now also disabled everything except the most basic devices. Nothing cures this problem for me. It's a bug in the software, such things happen -- realtime programming is very complex. :-) Since this apparently happens on many systems, I have hope that Papy can reproduce it as well. This does not mean that it's easy to fix, though, so I guess we should not hold our breath until the next patch comes out. Anyway, GPL is such a _marvellous_ piece of software, I can certainly be patient enough to wait until Papy sorts this out. Meanwhile, I am back to the 1.0 version which runs without a flaw on my system (I miss FF, though ;-). Go ahead, Papy, and keep up the good work! -- Dr. Albert Gr"af WWW: http://www.musikwissenschaft.uni-mainz.de/~ag

Another point....do you still get the above 36 fps happening now that you have rid yourself of the slo mo?? I think if your frame rates are still weird, you are in the same boat as I am with the Thriller....minimal slo mo, but you can't trust the lap times... Marc.

As I understand it, 'they' found the slomo sync problem shortly after 1.1 was released and fixed shortly after that. But, the new patch with the fix has to go through a complete testing cycle before it's released. Apparently not only are the problems fixed but the online play is better than it's ever been. If it helps, patience is a virtue. :-) Marty

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> Well, I guess we are all aware that this cannot be the general solution, > although it may work for some happy people. I don't see how one can get away > without irq sharing on a pretty normal system which has the necessary > hardware for Ethernet, WAN, decent sound and graphics, USB etc. And you > probably cannot expect the average user to fiddle with his system resources > just to work around this. I also have the (offline) slowmo problem (on a 333 > MHz Pentium II with 128 MB RAM and V3-2000), and I tried everything, from > the tweaks described in the VROC 1.1 FAQ up to reinstalling Windows from > scratch. Following your remarks I now also disabled everything except the > most basic devices. Nothing cures this problem for me. It's a bug in the > software, such things happen -- realtime programming is very complex. :-) > Since this apparently happens on many systems, I have hope that Papy can > reproduce it as well. This does not mean that it's easy to fix, though, so I > guess we should not hold our breath until the next patch comes out. > Anyway, GPL is such a _marvellous_ piece of software, I can certainly be > patient enough to wait until Papy sorts this out. Meanwhile, I am back to > the 1.0 version which runs without a flaw on my system (I miss FF, though > ;-). > Go ahead, Papy, and keep up the good work! > -- > Dr. Albert Gr"af > WWW: http://www.musikwissenschaft.uni-mainz.de/~ag

Perhaps I'm wrong about how quickly they fixed it, but the cause of the problem was known early on and is now fixed. Plus, the opportunity to tune the online communications will give us the best online play ever. Marty

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> >As I understand it, 'they' found the slomo sync problem shortly after 1.1 > was > >released and fixed shortly after that. > Hmm, on his page Eric Cote cites Alison Hine with that the problem was there > in 1.1.0.3 thru 1.1.0.9; this does not sound as they fixed it right away > (unless they produce new versions faster than new Linux kernels come out :). > Has anyone from Papy already commented publicly on what the status of the > new version is? Probably not, since any such message would certainly stir a > flood of emails. > And, while "patience is a virtue," couldn't I get a copy of the 1.1.0.10 > patch (just kidding ;-)? > -- > Dr. Albert Gr"af > WWW: http://www.musikwissenschaft.uni-mainz.de/~ag

No Marc, i spoke to Alison and Randy, my problem was not slomo / turbo but rather frame stutter. That problem is cured, and my FPS counter stays at 36 FPS Cheers Eric

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> Another point....do you still get the above 36 fps happening now that you > have rid yourself of the slo mo?? > I think if your frame rates are still weird, you are in the same boat as I > am with the Thriller....minimal slo mo, but you can't trust the lap times... > Marc. > > In the past 3 weeks, I was suffering from a problem that seem impossible > > to cure until finally I put the finger on the cause of it. With the > > venue > > of GPL 1.1 there's some people without problems, others suffer badly > > from > > frame stutter (offline and / or online), now commonly known as slomo / > > turbo frame rate. Rather difficult to drive this way. Yesterday, in an > > ultimate attempt to cure it (i was gonna give up {g}, finally got it!! > > Full story HERE : http://www.simracingmag.com > > Hope this will help some of you :) > > BTW I still need about 45 people to fill the GPL RACERS SURVEY > > For those who haven't done it, please check it out. > > Cheers > > Eric

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Hmm, on his page Eric Cote cites Alison Hine with that the problem was there in 1.1.0.3 thru 1.1.0.9; this does not sound as they fixed it right away (unless they produce new versions faster than new Linux kernels come out :). Has anyone from Papy already commented publicly on what the status of the new version is? Probably not, since any such message would certainly stir a flood of emails. And, while "patience is a virtue," couldn't I get a copy of the 1.1.0.10 patch (just kidding ;-)? -- Dr. Albert Gr"af WWW: http://www.musikwissenschaft.uni-mainz.de/~ag

Same with me. PIII450,V3 3000,SBLiveValue,LWFF USB. I only get slow-mo, when the fps are lower than 36 (at the start of a race with 19 AI and too much graphics). Offline, that is, as I don't quite feel ready yet to inflict my driving on *real* people... :-) Peter Vienna, Austria

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> I have an LWFF USB wheel and experienced no slow-mo, but I run with > all the eye candy off (no dynamic lighting, skids, smoke etc.) and > only cars visible in mirrors maybe that has something to do with it. > So I'm at least one USW FF wheel user with no slow-mo's at all in 1.1 > Seeyas on the track. > --John (Joao) Silva > >Can it be that since the 1.1 patch we have FF implemented? I don't know > >whether there's been a survey (sorry: again a survey, but I think this

time > >one which could give the PAPY guys a clue on what's wrong with their 1.1 > >patch) on what configurations experience the slo-mo effect. Maybe it would > >indeed become clear it has something to do with USB (remember that f.e. the > >LWFF uses USB!) and/or assigned IRQ's which could cause conflicts.

I have an LWFF USB wheel and experienced no slow-mo, but I run with all the eye candy off (no dynamic lighting, skids, smoke etc.) and only cars visible in mirrors maybe that has something to do with it. So I'm at least one USW FF wheel user with no slow-mo's at all in 1.1 Seeyas on the track. --John (Joao) Silva

I also have been using a LWFF USB, and have not had any slo-mo effects at all with 1.1. I do use a Hercules Thriller, with all the "eye candy" on, except only cars in the mirrors. Kevin Caldwell

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> I have an LWFF USB wheel and experienced no slow-mo, but I run with > all the eye candy off (no dynamic lighting, skids, smoke etc.) and > only cars visible in mirrors maybe that has something to do with it. > So I'm at least one USW FF wheel user with no slow-mo's at all in 1.1 > Seeyas on the track. > --John (Joao) Silva > >Can it be that since the 1.1 patch we have FF implemented? I don't know > >whether there's been a survey (sorry: again a survey, but I think this

time > >one which could give the PAPY guys a clue on what's wrong with their 1.1 > >patch) on what configurations experience the slo-mo effect. Maybe it would > >indeed become clear it has something to do with USB (remember that f.e. the > >LWFF uses USB!) and/or assigned IRQ's which could cause conflicts.

Hi Eric, As an addendum to my earlier posts about this problem, I just experienced the frame stutter problem for the first time!! I have been having a major problem with my nightly backup since installing the Thriller3D card. I have been using the task scheduler to run an automated backup for years and the process locks-up sometimes--freezing my computer. It only happens with the Thriller3D, and now I have discovered a new clue. It seems to only have a problem if I have run GPL (1.1) (the only program I use that uses the Rendition acceleration of the Thriller) beforehand (in the current boot). A friend suggested that I try running a small app., like the clock or something, a minute or two ahead of the scheduled backup to see if that might wake up the computer or the Thriller a little more thoroughly. When I tried to add a new item to the scheduler (the clock), the computer prompted me for my Office2000 CD!?!?!?! I wondered what was happening until I realised that O2000 was updating the task scheduler itself. I had done a custom install of O2000 and I guess I did not select whatever updates the scheduler. Then, I thought, great! Maybe my lock-ups won't occur anymore as the scheduler itself has been updated. (We'll find out tonight.) After a reboot, I started GPL and the frame stuttering problem was immediately apparent. Very problematic and ruined the game. There was also a definite appearance of some of the slo mo effect I get consistently with the Voodoo2 card. I switched back to 3dfx, and the slo mo seemed to be even worse than before. Switched back to Rendition, and back to stuttering. I exited GPL and turned off (paused) the task scheduler--stuttering gone. Exit again and switch the scheduler on--back to stuttering in GPL. After a few more reboots and playing around with the scheduler, I have managed to get back to where I was--no stuttering in either version and slo mo in 3dfx only. Hopefully, my automatic backup lock-up will be helped by the new scheduler files, but it sure taught me that the scheduler can have a major effect on the smoothness and operation of GPL.

Another one here, with all eye candy on. V3 2000 Logi FF SBlive Asus P2B 128 MB Therefore I have some other problems: Logi looses calibration in accelerator - seems to be the poti only one USB-port is working Jens >I have an LWFF USB wheel and experienced no slow-mo, but I run with >all the eye candy off (no dynamic lighting, skids, smoke etc.) and >only cars visible in mirrors maybe that has something to do with it. >So I'm at least one USW FF wheel user with no slow-mo's at all in 1.1 <snip> --------------------------------------------- Remove "NOSPAM" before using my email-address