How Grand Prix Legends has improved my driving...

I know this is a fairly controversial topic. Others have come onto the driving orientated n/g's and spouted off about how their little stints on Gran Turismo has helped them become one with their risotto-mobiles. Well I've been hard at GPL for quite some time. I use a fastish PC (Celeron 464Mhz + Voodoo2 12Mb SLI + Thrustmaster T2) and GPL is much, *much* harder to drive than any real car I've driven. Admittedly I've only ever driven v8 sedans of both types, a Porsche 911 once and some hi-po Japanese coupes; hardly really ***. GPL demands more of my brain matter than a swift cruise on Epping road. Nurburgring is a concentration puzzle; all 9 - 12 minutes of it, esp. at the wheel of a loose-as-goose Ferrari 312. 8:45 is a dream as far as I can drive. I can do it just under 10 minutes which is a miracle of 45 minutes of staring at the tube wondering which of the 174 corners I'm taking right now. 45 minutes is equal to about 4 laps btw of which only *one* of which would do me proud. The others would be 12+ minute snoozers. Saying that, even slowish 10-11 minute drives on the 'ring are a lot of fun. A whole bunch of 2-3-4'th gear corners strung together. And the long end straight is wonderful esp. how you have to lift of in top to make that gentle left corner. I look really long down roads and plan two or three corners ahead. I take some hazy corners very carefully looking for a run off area. Basically I think before I dive into a corner which is not how I used to do it before. This occurs in GPL and in real life. A game about 1967 F1 cars has made me a more careful driver in real life. Amazing. They should make L-Platers give this a go. T.

I think until I took an advance and a defensive driving course those games helped me understand certain concepts about handling. Al Gardner

I agree, car sims can definitely teach you things about driving. But nothing beats jumping in the car and going for a spin, and pushing the limits in a controlled environment is still much better than a sim. Geoff

I couldn't agree more. I was (and still am) a keen player of Indycar racing (the originial, about 1994). I beleive it is very good on teacheing you about oversteer, 'cause that's all that seems to happen.

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>I know this is a fairly controversial topic. Others have >come onto the driving orientated n/g's and spouted off >about how their little stints on Gran Turismo has helped >them become one with their risotto-mobiles. >Well I've been hard at GPL for quite some time. I use a >fastish PC (Celeron 464Mhz + Voodoo2 12Mb SLI + Thrustmaster T2) >and GPL is much, *much* harder to drive than any real car I've >driven. Admittedly I've only ever driven v8 sedans of both types, >a Porsche 911 once and some hi-po Japanese coupes; hardly really ***. >GPL demands more of my brain matter than a swift cruise on >Epping road. >Nurburgring is a concentration puzzle; all 9 - 12 minutes >of it, esp. at the wheel of a loose-as-goose Ferrari 312. >8:45 is a dream as far as I can drive. >I can do it just under 10 minutes which is a miracle of >45 minutes of staring at the tube wondering which of the >174 corners I'm taking right now. 45 minutes is equal >to about 4 laps btw of which only *one* of which would do >me proud. The others would be 12+ minute snoozers. Saying >that, even slowish 10-11 minute drives on the 'ring are >a lot of fun. A whole bunch of 2-3-4'th gear corners >strung together. And the long end straight is wonderful >esp. how you have to lift of in top to make that gentle >left corner. >I look really long down roads and plan two or three corners >ahead. I take some hazy corners very carefully looking for a >run off area. Basically I think before I dive into a corner >which is not how I used to do it before. This occurs in GPL >and in real life. A game about 1967 F1 cars has made me a >more careful driver in real life. Amazing. They should >make L-Platers give this a go. >T.

I think it's wrong to asume that juping in a real car beats the sim. I was driving a friends Caterham 7 (those in the US may not know of these cars - they're a modern incarnation of the Lotus 7) at around 105 mph down a favorite road of mine (the one that goes straight past the front door of Princess Anne's place at Gatcombe - there's a mini Eau-Rouge there!!) when a slight wet patch under some trees sent us into a *** spin. Now I race FF1600 fairly regularly, and consider myself a good driver, however, this was something that was unavoidable, and luckily we escaped injury, as we only ended up getting dumped a little wide into the grass. However - the car took s alittle repair (only cosmetics). However -it could easily have been a lot worse, and we could have been a) Inured, b) Killed, c) Hit another car, d) written of the Caterham. I was also playing GPL a few night ago, in the F3 car (similar to FF1600, for those who might know, don't you think??) at Brands Hatch, and dumped it a BEAUTY through old paddock - tonked into the outside wall (a-la Derek Hill in Formula Palmer Audi) and then got up to make coffee. Sim's don't kill you, and they certainly don't cost money to repair. Fast driving should be on a track, or on your computer. Speed CAN kill. Doug

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>I couldn't agree more. >I was (and still am) a keen player of Indycar racing (the originial, about >1994). I beleive it is very good on teacheing you about oversteer, 'cause >that's all that seems to happen. >>I know this is a fairly controversial topic. Others have >>come onto the driving orientated n/g's and spouted off >>about how their little stints on Gran Turismo has helped >>them become one with their risotto-mobiles. >>Well I've been hard at GPL for quite some time. I use a >>fastish PC (Celeron 464Mhz + Voodoo2 12Mb SLI + Thrustmaster T2) >>and GPL is much, *much* harder to drive than any real car I've >>driven. Admittedly I've only ever driven v8 sedans of both types, >>a Porsche 911 once and some hi-po Japanese coupes; hardly really ***. >>GPL demands more of my brain matter than a swift cruise on >>Epping road. >>Nurburgring is a concentration puzzle; all 9 - 12 minutes >>of it, esp. at the wheel of a loose-as-goose Ferrari 312. >>8:45 is a dream as far as I can drive. >>I can do it just under 10 minutes which is a miracle of >>45 minutes of staring at the tube wondering which of the >>174 corners I'm taking right now. 45 minutes is equal >>to about 4 laps btw of which only *one* of which would do >>me proud. The others would be 12+ minute snoozers. Saying >>that, even slowish 10-11 minute drives on the 'ring are >>a lot of fun. A whole bunch of 2-3-4'th gear corners >>strung together. And the long end straight is wonderful >>esp. how you have to lift of in top to make that gentle >>left corner. >>I look really long down roads and plan two or three corners >>ahead. I take some hazy corners very carefully looking for a >>run off area. Basically I think before I dive into a corner >>which is not how I used to do it before. This occurs in GPL >>and in real life. A game about 1967 F1 cars has made me a >>more careful driver in real life. Amazing. They should >>make L-Platers give this a go. >>T.

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> I think it's wrong to asume that juping in a real car beats the sim. I was > driving a friends Caterham 7 (those in the US may not know of these cars - > they're a modern incarnation of the Lotus 7) at around 105 mph down a > favorite road of mine (the one that goes straight past the front door of > Princess Anne's place at Gatcombe - there's a mini Eau-Rouge there!!) when a > slight wet patch under some trees sent us into a *** spin. Now I race > FF1600 fairly regularly, and consider myself a good driver, however, this > was something that was unavoidable, and luckily we escaped injury, as we > only ended up getting dumped a little wide into the grass. However - the > car took s alittle repair (only cosmetics). However -it could easily have > been a lot worse, and we could have been a) Inured, b) Killed, c) Hit > another car, d) written of the Caterham. > I was also playing GPL a few night ago, in the F3 car (similar to FF1600, > for those who might know, don't you think??) at Brands Hatch, and dumped it > a BEAUTY through old paddock - tonked into the outside wall (a-la Derek Hill > in Formula Palmer Audi) and then got up to make coffee. > Sim's don't kill you, and they certainly don't cost money to repair. > Fast driving should be on a track, or on your computer. > Speed CAN kill.

I heard on the radio yesterday that three-day eventing (cross-country horse-riding) is now officially the second most dangerous mainstream sport, after - guess what - motor racing! Having said that, I seem to remember that cave-diving is pretty dangerous - there's a wastage factor of 50% (ie. half the people doing it die every year).

See - See, I was right...it's a sillt game anyway, going AROUND, and AROUND in ever decreasing twisty circles. Well, actually, it may be silly, but it's fun Doug

Hi Toni! I think I recall Dave Kaemmer calling any lap on the ring under 10 minutes a "good performance". I'm struggling with the 9 min barrier in the Brabham at the moment, and some of the times on the net are just unbelievable. Make sure you take it easy on the ring: a single spin will cost you more time than taking three to four corners slower, but therefore safer and not going off into the woods. To quote Jackie Stewart's opinion on the ring: "My opponents see it at 174 corners, I look at it as 174 possibilities to be faster than them." ;-) Regards, Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany (52.0N/8h30mE) Ever wondered what's wrong with the world? http://bnetwork.com/ PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

>I heard on the radio yesterday that three-day eventing (cross-country >horse-riding) is now officially the second most dangerous mainstream >sport, after - guess what - motor racing! Were they on about the horses or the riders? Far more horses get killed in those "events" than the occasional rider (which is sort of unfair, all things considered). Regards, Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany (52.0N/8h30mE) Ever wondered what's wrong with the world? http://bnetwork.com/ PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

:>I heard on the radio yesterday that three-day eventing (cross-country :>horse-riding) is now officially the second most dangerous mainstream :>sport, after - guess what - motor racing! : Were they on about the horses or the riders? Far more horses get : killed in those "events" than the occasional rider (which is : sort of unfair, all things considered). Sure - but you should see the stats for horses driving in motor-races. Now that's dangerous :-) -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York. www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html

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>Hi Toni! >>a Porsche 911 once and some hi-po Japanese coupes; hardly really ***. >>GPL demands more of my brain matter than a swift cruise on >>Epping road. >>Nurburgring is a concentration puzzle; all 9 - 12 minutes >>of it, esp. at the wheel of a loose-as-goose Ferrari 312. >>8:45 is a dream as far as I can drive. >>I can do it just under 10 minutes which is a miracle of >>45 minutes of staring at the tube wondering which of the >I think I recall Dave Kaemmer calling any lap on the ring under 10 minutes a >"good performance". I'm struggling with the 9 min barrier in the Brabham at >the moment, and some of the times on the net are just unbelievable. >Make sure you take it easy on the ring: a single spin will cost you more >time than taking three to four corners slower, but therefore safer and not >going off into the woods. >To quote Jackie Stewart's opinion on the ring: "My opponents see >it at 174 corners, I look at it as 174 possibilities to be faster >than them." ;-)

My personal rules for the ring: Don't push or try to make time on the slow turns, where the revs are up and the gear is low. Take note of the places you lose it, and learn not to repeat. Use lower gears uphill than it appears to want. Apply a little throttle just before takeoff on the jumps. Follow the gray lines where it's helpful, but sometimes you will be too wide. You usually find that it's the same places each time where you***up. Then go slower there. Use Allison's setups. I'm doing 8:37's, but I can see I'm too careful in some places, so I could go faster. Most of my errors are in 2nd gear turns. For what it's worth. Sam

Geez, I thought all 174 turns were 2nd gear turns! <g>

I find that they help with response times and learning to pick half decent lines but, IMHO, they offer no real feedback i.e you get the visual and some poor replica via a force feed back wheel and the sound is OK but the vibration, g force and general feel are not their i.e you know the brakes have locked when the tyres squeal not by the sudden loss of braking effort. P!

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>I know this is a fairly controversial topic. Others have >come onto the driving orientated n/g's and spouted off >about how their little stints on Gran Turismo has helped >them become one with their risotto-mobiles. >Well I've been hard at GPL for quite some time. I use a >fastish PC (Celeron 464Mhz + Voodoo2 12Mb SLI + Thrustmaster T2) >and GPL is much, *much* harder to drive than any real car I've >driven. Admittedly I've only ever driven v8 sedans of both types, >a Porsche 911 once and some hi-po Japanese coupes; hardly really ***. >GPL demands more of my brain matter than a swift cruise on >Epping road. >Nurburgring is a concentration puzzle; all 9 - 12 minutes >of it, esp. at the wheel of a loose-as-goose Ferrari 312. >8:45 is a dream as far as I can drive. >I can do it just under 10 minutes which is a miracle of >45 minutes of staring at the tube wondering which of the >174 corners I'm taking right now. 45 minutes is equal >to about 4 laps btw of which only *one* of which would do >me proud. The others would be 12+ minute snoozers. Saying >that, even slowish 10-11 minute drives on the 'ring are >a lot of fun. A whole bunch of 2-3-4'th gear corners >strung together. And the long end straight is wonderful >esp. how you have to lift of in top to make that gentle >left corner. >I look really long down roads and plan two or three corners >ahead. I take some hazy corners very carefully looking for a >run off area. Basically I think before I dive into a corner >which is not how I used to do it before. This occurs in GPL >and in real life. A game about 1967 F1 cars has made me a >more careful driver in real life. Amazing. They should >make L-Platers give this a go. >T.

That's why you get your brothers or friends in on it and take turns holding the chair up! Knock the legs off a chair and nail two sets of 2x4s to the bottom and have them protrude about four feet from either side. You'll need two people to help you with the chair movements. ;) Al Gardner >I find that they help with response times and learning to pick half decent >lines but, IMHO, they offer no real feedback i.e you get the visual and some >poor replica via a force feed back wheel and the sound is OK but the >vibration, g force and general feel are not their i.e you know the brakes have

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>locked when the tyres squeal not by the sudden loss of braking effort. >P! >>I know this is a fairly controversial topic. Others have >>come onto the driving orientated n/g's and spouted off >>about how their little stints on Gran Turismo has helped >>them become one with their risotto-mobiles. >>Well I've been hard at GPL for quite some time. I use a >>fastish PC (Celeron 464Mhz + Voodoo2 12Mb SLI + Thrustmaster T2) >>and GPL is much, *much* harder to drive than any real car I've >>driven. Admittedly I've only ever driven v8 sedans of both types, >>a Porsche 911 once and some hi-po Japanese coupes; hardly really ***. >>GPL demands more of my brain matter than a swift cruise on >>Epping road. >>Nurburgring is a concentration puzzle; all 9 - 12 minutes >>of it, esp. at the wheel of a loose-as-goose Ferrari 312. >>8:45 is a dream as far as I can drive. >>I can do it just under 10 minutes which is a miracle of >>45 minutes of staring at the tube wondering which of the >>174 corners I'm taking right now. 45 minutes is equal >>to about 4 laps btw of which only *one* of which would do >>me proud. The others would be 12+ minute snoozers. Saying >>that, even slowish 10-11 minute drives on the 'ring are >>a lot of fun. A whole bunch of 2-3-4'th gear corners >>strung together. And the long end straight is wonderful >>esp. how you have to lift of in top to make that gentle >>left corner. >>I look really long down roads and plan two or three corners >>ahead. I take some hazy corners very carefully looking for a >>run off area. Basically I think before I dive into a corner >>which is not how I used to do it before. This occurs in GPL >>and in real life. A game about 1967 F1 cars has made me a >>more careful driver in real life. Amazing. They should >>make L-Platers give this a go. >>T.

Ok, since we're having such a intelligent conversation, I was wondering which everyones (well those who have played it) favourite character from N64 Mario Kart is? I like Donkey Kong the best, the handling is just brilliant :) With the added bonus of being able to ram the small lighter guys off the road.

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> That's why you get your brothers or friends in on it and take turns holding > the chair up! > Knock the legs off a chair and nail two sets of 2x4s to the bottom and have > them protrude about four feet from either side. You'll need two people to > help you with the chair movements. ;) > Al Gardner >>I find that they help with response times and learning to pick half decent >>lines but, IMHO, they offer no real feedback i.e you get the visual and > some >>poor replica via a force feed back wheel and the sound is OK but the >>vibration, g force and general feel are not their i.e you know the brakes > have >>locked when the tyres squeal not by the sudden loss of braking effort. >>P! >>>I know this is a fairly controversial topic. Others have >>>come onto the driving orientated n/g's and spouted off >>>about how their little stints on Gran Turismo has helped >>>them become one with their risotto-mobiles. >>>Well I've been hard at GPL for quite some time. I use a >>>fastish PC (Celeron 464Mhz + Voodoo2 12Mb SLI + Thrustmaster T2) >>>and GPL is much, *much* harder to drive than any real car I've >>>driven. Admittedly I've only ever driven v8 sedans of both types, >>>a Porsche 911 once and some hi-po Japanese coupes; hardly really ***. >>>GPL demands more of my brain matter than a swift cruise on >>>Epping road. >>>Nurburgring is a concentration puzzle; all 9 - 12 minutes >>>of it, esp. at the wheel of a loose-as-goose Ferrari 312. >>>8:45 is a dream as far as I can drive. >>>I can do it just under 10 minutes which is a miracle of >>>45 minutes of staring at the tube wondering which of the >>>174 corners I'm taking right now. 45 minutes is equal >>>to about 4 laps btw of which only *one* of which would do >>>me proud. The others would be 12+ minute snoozers. Saying >>>that, even slowish 10-11 minute drives on the 'ring are >>>a lot of fun. A whole bunch of 2-3-4'th gear corners >>>strung together. And the long end straight is wonderful >>>esp. how you have to lift of in top to make that gentle >>>left corner. >>>I look really long down roads and plan two or three corners >>>ahead. I take some hazy corners very carefully looking for a >>>run off area. Basically I think before I dive into a corner >>>which is not how I used to do it before. This occurs in GPL >>>and in real life. A game about 1967 F1 cars has made me a >>>more careful driver in real life. Amazing. They should >>>make L-Platers give this a go. >>>T.

-- Jamie Howell [link lost in import: /~jamie/]

>: Were they on about the horses or the riders? Far more horses get >: killed in those "events" than the occasional rider (which is >: sort of unfair, all things considered). > Sure - but you should see the stats for horses driving in motor-races. >Now that's dangerous :-) Are you sure you're not on about "donkeys"? ;-) Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany (52.0N/8h30mE) Ever wondered what's wrong with the world? http://bnetwork.com/ PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

I asked for that didn't I! P!

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>That's why you get your brothers or friends in on it and take turns holding >the chair up! >Knock the legs off a chair and nail two sets of 2x4s to the bottom and have >them protrude about four feet from either side. You'll need two people to >help you with the chair movements. ;) >Al Gardner >>I find that they help with response times and learning to pick half decent >>lines but, IMHO, they offer no real feedback i.e you get the visual and >some >>poor replica via a force feed back wheel and the sound is OK but the >>vibration, g force and general feel are not their i.e you know the brakes >have >>locked when the tyres squeal not by the sudden loss of braking effort. >>P! >>>I know this is a fairly controversial topic. Others have >>>come onto the driving orientated n/g's and spouted off >>>about how their little stints on Gran Turismo has helped >>>them become one with their risotto-mobiles. >>>Well I've been hard at GPL for quite some time. I use a >>>fastish PC (Celeron 464Mhz + Voodoo2 12Mb SLI + Thrustmaster T2) >>>and GPL is much, *much* harder to drive than any real car I've >>>driven. Admittedly I've only ever driven v8 sedans of both types, >>>a Porsche 911 once and some hi-po Japanese coupes; hardly really ***. >>>GPL demands more of my brain matter than a swift cruise on >>>Epping road. >>>Nurburgring is a concentration puzzle; all 9 - 12 minutes >>>of it, esp. at the wheel of a loose-as-goose Ferrari 312. >>>8:45 is a dream as far as I can drive. >>>I can do it just under 10 minutes which is a miracle of >>>45 minutes of staring at the tube wondering which of the >>>174 corners I'm taking right now. 45 minutes is equal >>>to about 4 laps btw of which only *one* of which would do >>>me proud. The others would be 12+ minute snoozers. Saying >>>that, even slowish 10-11 minute drives on the 'ring are >>>a lot of fun. A whole bunch of 2-3-4'th gear corners >>>strung together. And the long end straight is wonderful >>>esp. how you have to lift of in top to make that gentle >>>left corner. >>>I look really long down roads and plan two or three corners >>>ahead. I take some hazy corners very carefully looking for a >>>run off area. Basically I think before I dive into a corner >>>which is not how I used to do it before. This occurs in GPL >>>and in real life. A game about 1967 F1 cars has made me a >>>more careful driver in real life. Amazing. They should >>>make L-Platers give this a go. >>>T.

Sounds like my 125 :-) P!

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>> That's why you get your brothers or friends in on it and take turns holding >> the chair up! >> Knock the legs off a chair and nail two sets of 2x4s to the bottom and have >> them protrude about four feet from either side. You'll need two people to >> help you with the chair movements. ;) >> Al Gardner >>>I find that they help with response times and learning to pick half decent >>>lines but, IMHO, they offer no real feedback i.e you get the visual and >> some >>>poor replica via a force feed back wheel and the sound is OK but the >>>vibration, g force and general feel are not their i.e you know the brakes >> have >>>locked when the tyres squeal not by the sudden loss of braking effort. >>>P! >>>>I know this is a fairly controversial topic. Others have >>>>come onto the driving orientated n/g's and spouted off >>>>about how their little stints on Gran Turismo has helped >>>>them become one with their risotto-mobiles. >>>>Well I've been hard at GPL for quite some time. I use a >>>>fastish PC (Celeron 464Mhz + Voodoo2 12Mb SLI + Thrustmaster T2) >>>>and GPL is much, *much* harder to drive than any real car I've >>>>driven. Admittedly I've only ever driven v8 sedans of both types, >>>>a Porsche 911 once and some hi-po Japanese coupes; hardly really ***. >>>>GPL demands more of my brain matter than a swift cruise on >>>>Epping road. >>>>Nurburgring is a concentration puzzle; all 9 - 12 minutes >>>>of it, esp. at the wheel of a loose-as-goose Ferrari 312. >>>>8:45 is a dream as far as I can drive. >>>>I can do it just under 10 minutes which is a miracle of >>>>45 minutes of staring at the tube wondering which of the >>>>174 corners I'm taking right now. 45 minutes is equal >>>>to about 4 laps btw of which only *one* of which would do >>>>me proud. The others would be 12+ minute snoozers. Saying >>>>that, even slowish 10-11 minute drives on the 'ring are >>>>a lot of fun. A whole bunch of 2-3-4'th gear corners >>>>strung together. And the long end straight is wonderful >>>>esp. how you have to lift of in top to make that gentle >>>>left corner. >>>>I look really long down roads and plan two or three corners >>>>ahead. I take some hazy corners very carefully looking for a >>>>run off area. Basically I think before I dive into a corner >>>>which is not how I used to do it before. This occurs in GPL >>>>and in real life. A game about 1967 F1 cars has made me a >>>>more careful driver in real life. Amazing. They should >>>>make L-Platers give this a go. >>>>T.

Epping Road?? Are you in Herts. near Harlow or Sawbridgeworth? Sam, Portland, Oregon

He's AAALLLL the way in the Garden state of Victoria, Australia! Welcome to AUS(tralian).cars! Al Gardner >>>>>Well I've been hard at GPL for quite some time. I use a >>>>>fastish PC (Celeron 464Mhz + Voodoo2 12Mb SLI + Thrustmaster T2) >>>>>and GPL is much, *much* harder to drive than any real car I've >>>>>driven. Admittedly I've only ever driven v8 sedans of both types, >>>>>a Porsche 911 once and some hi-po Japanese coupes; hardly really ***. >>>>>GPL demands more of my brain matter than a swift cruise on >>>>>Epping road. >Epping Road?? Are you in Herts. near Harlow or Sawbridgeworth? >Sam, Portland, Oregon

There is also an Epping Road in Sydney, so don't jump to conclusions! :o)

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> He's AAALLLL the way in the Garden state of Victoria, Australia! > Welcome to AUS(tralian).cars! > Al Gardner > >>>>>Well I've been hard at GPL for quite some time. I use a > >>>>>fastish PC (Celeron 464Mhz + Voodoo2 12Mb SLI + Thrustmaster T2) > >>>>>and GPL is much, *much* harder to drive than any real car I've > >>>>>driven. Admittedly I've only ever driven v8 sedans of both types, > >>>>>a Porsche 911 once and some hi-po Japanese coupes; hardly really > ***. > >>>>>GPL demands more of my brain matter than a swift cruise on > >>>>>Epping road. > >Epping Road?? Are you in Herts. near Harlow or Sawbridgeworth? > >Sam, Portland, Oregon

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On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:00:53 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" >There is also an Epping Road in Sydney, so don't jump to conclusions! :o) OK, but I bet they were all named after "MY" Epping Road! : ) Which has vivid memories for me: First time driving on the left side of the road on a strange BMW motorcycle! After 3 days, I loved it. Wish I could go back. Will, one of these days.

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>> He's AAALLLL the way in the Garden state of Victoria, Australia! >> Welcome to AUS(tralian).cars! >> Al Gardner >>> >>>>>GPL demands more of my brain matter than a swift cruise on >> >>>>>Epping road. >> >Epping Road?? Are you in Herts. near Harlow or Sawbridgeworth? >> >Sam, Portland, Oregon

And I should have known that! I have to take that road everytime I visit my grandmother! Either way he's still in Australia. Al Gardner

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>There is also an Epping Road in Sydney, so don't jump to conclusions! :o) >> He's AAALLLL the way in the Garden state of Victoria, Australia! >> Welcome to AUS(tralian).cars! >> Al Gardner >> >>>>>Well I've been hard at GPL for quite some time. I use a >> >>>>>fastish PC (Celeron 464Mhz + Voodoo2 12Mb SLI + Thrustmaster T2) >> >>>>>and GPL is much, *much* harder to drive than any real car I've >> >>>>>driven. Admittedly I've only ever driven v8 sedans of both types, >> >>>>>a Porsche 911 once and some hi-po Japanese coupes; hardly really >> ***. >> >>>>>GPL demands more of my brain matter than a swift cruise on >> >>>>>Epping road. >> >Epping Road?? Are you in Herts. near Harlow or Sawbridgeworth? >> >Sam, Portland, Oregon > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News

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>>Ok, since we're having such a intelligent conversation, I was wondering >>which everyones (well those who have played it) favourite character >>from N64 Mario Kart is? >>I like Donkey Kong the best, the handling is just brilliant :) With the >>added bonus of being able to ram the small lighter guys off the road. >Sounds like my 125 :-)

Wario. The way the guy laughs when shooting opponents off the track is hilarious. ;-) Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany (52.0N/8h30mE) Ever wondered what's wrong with the world? http://bnetwork.com/ PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61