GPL and Linux, forget it

Hello, I just installed RedHat Linux on my system, and following the Linux port demands going on, I just have to get some things down on reality. Have anyone thought about controlling the car in a LinuxGPL ? There is probably gameport-support in Linux by now, but what about the force- feedback support. I can't really see Microsoft making drivers for my MS FF for Linux. I really don't think that to drive GPL in Linux is worth the cost of no forcefeedback. -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

> There is probably gameport-support in Linux by now, but what about the force- > feedback support. I can't really see Microsoft making drivers for my MS FF for > Linux. 90% of drivers for Linux are made in reverse ingenering by a private personne. So u just have to wait for a sim pilot , that use FF wheel, that be a good Linux programmer, and have lot of time, want to write it .... we can wait lot of time :o( i agree. -- ==================================== Sbastien Tixier - Game Developper

I know there is a japanese who makes an open source sim under linux.It's called G-racer and he has done a driver to use is microsoft FF wheel. I forgot the URL but try searching G-racer

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> > There is probably gameport-support in Linux by now, but what about the force- > > feedback support. I can't really see Microsoft making drivers for my MS FF for > > Linux. > 90% of drivers for Linux are made in reverse ingenering by a private personne. > So u just have to wait for a sim pilot , that use FF wheel, that be a good Linux > programmer, > and have lot of time, want to write it .... we can wait lot of time :o( > > I really don't think that to drive GPL in Linux is worth the cost of no > > forcefeedback. > i agree. > -- > ==================================== > Sbastien Tixier - Game Developper

Umm dedicated servers?

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>Hello, >I just installed RedHat Linux on my system, and following the Linux port >demands going on, I just have to get some things down on reality. >Have anyone thought about controlling the car in a LinuxGPL ? >There is probably gameport-support in Linux by now, but what about the

force- >feedback support. I can't really see Microsoft making drivers for my MS FF for

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>Linux. >I really don't think that to drive GPL in Linux is worth the cost of no >forcefeedback. >-- >Olav K. Malmin >remove spam when replying

> Umm dedicated servers? Point taken, but then a plain server should be developed. And that would not be the same as porting GPL to Linux.

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> >Hello, > >I just installed RedHat Linux on my system, and following the Linux port > >demands going on, I just have to get some things down on reality. > >Have anyone thought about controlling the car in a LinuxGPL ? > >There is probably gameport-support in Linux by now, but what about the > force- > >feedback support. I can't really see Microsoft making drivers for my MS FF > for > >Linux. > >I really don't think that to drive GPL in Linux is worth the cost of no > >forcefeedback. > >-- > >Olav K. Malmin > >remove spam when replying

-- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

Well, then MS will be left in the dust. ;-) Logitech actively supports their hardware with Linux (or at least they support the guy writing the drivers), but I cannot say if Logitech have a decent FF wheel on offer. I would love to give up FF for a stable OS that's not crashing on me with superb network performance, but then again all I have for driving is an ancient, though valiant, T2. Regards, Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ uwe.schuerkamp at telemedia.de for direct mail (from: is spambox) PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

well, 1st off: I tried to drive without FF lately and couldn't keep my toad on the track ;-) 2nd: I agree with the network performance, but after all it isn't that critical with GPL than say quake ... and finally: I doubt that the reason of GPL crashing is the OS - I played lots of gl-quake and halflife and that sort on networksessions for many hours nonstop with the same hardware- and driver-configuration and it seems that GPL is just more buggy, especially in the use of glide ... Lio

:>I really don't think that to drive GPL in Linux is worth the cost of no :>forcefeedback. : I would love to give up FF for a stable OS that's not crashing on me ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : with superb network performance, but then again all I have for : driving is an ancient, though valiant, T2. Woah - I thought this thread was about Linux - where can I buy this stable OS you're talking about? -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York. www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html

Richard, you might be interested in the following link: http://www.linux.com/ Feel free to contact me if you have any questions. ;-) Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany (52.0N/8h30mE) Ever wondered what's wrong with the world? http://bnetwork.com/ PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

>>There is probably gameport-support in Linux by now, but what about the force- >>feedback support. I can't really see Microsoft making drivers for my MS FF for >>Linux. Yes, there is gameport support in Linux. AFAIK, the LWFF is supported only under Win98 in USB mode, and only under Win95/Win98 in serial mode. Logitech doesn't even fully support NT, let alone Linux. It's a chicken/egg problem. It's not worth the trouble to write game-oriented Linux drivers until there are games, and it's not worth porting the games until there are drivers. Well, we're starting to see the 3D card drivers, and the PCI sound card drivers, and better general joystick support, and some USB support. And we're starting to see some games. Once we get some games that use FF ported to Linux, someone will write some FF drivers for some FF device. If you want GPL under Linux, buy Loki's ports of Civ: CTP and Myth II. Buy that Quake 1 Linux pack. Linux is attracting some attention, but only a strong sales record for Linux ports will attract more ports. If GPL were ported to Linux, I'd buy it immediately, no questions asked, as a sign of support. But I'd play the Windows version instead until I had force feedback drivers for Linux. If Act Labs or Microsoft (it could happen :-> ) had Linux drivers before Logitech did, I'd buy a new wheel. -- spamgard(tm): To email me, put "geek" in your Subject line.