SCGT in GT1 class

OK... I know I'm not a great sim racer, but I usually do pretty good against computer AI... until I got to the GT1 class in SCGT. Is it just me or do the computer guys in this class drive like complete a**holes?!? Running side by side thru a turn with them is virtually impossible since they dont seem to care that you're there and they take their normal line knocking me into a spin every time. They ram me off the track 9 times out of 10 during the start no matter how much I try to run & hide. The only time I can pass them cleanly is if they get knocked off course by someone in front of me... then I wish I could flip them off as I drive by, knowing they would do the same to me. Of course if I happen to bobble & they catch back up to me going into a corner they will certainly ram my ass and send me into the gravel. I swear I can see a middle finger sticking out of the driver side window as they pull away. If my head wasn't already shaved I would have pulled all my hair out by now. Am I alone with this problem, and if not, is there a patch or somethin' to fix it?!? Thanks (re-starting another race) Warlock!

Unfortunately, SCGT AI is horrible (much like every other racer since GPL). It should be AS, "Artificial Stupidity". These guys are dumb. They pass entering a corner. They pass in the middle of a corner. They pass any damn place whether possible or not. They never respect your line. In fact, I don't think the AI "knows" that there are other cars on the road. They seemingly drive through you as if you're a ghost car. I'm fairly lucky passing these guys. I usually pass without incident due to poor cornering AI. Since they go through corners ridiculously slow I just sling shot past them shorly after exiting a turn. I still get caught once in a while with a side swipe or rear end hit out of nowhere. If they were trying to model blind-folded drivers they were successful ;-). Ultimately, the crappy AI makes the game unfulfilling bc, unlike GPL, I'm not satisfied beating such "fake" AI. -- Joe Marques

Actually SCGT is awesome and the AI never does that to me. If u ask me the AI is awesome and try going head to head against another car and u'll see that the AI will do everything to dodge u. I play the game on the hardest level and the dudes aren't slow at all. Schumacher

If you've ever seen GT racing it is quite different then other racing. In GT racing, vehicle collisions, spins, and sideswipes are very common and a part of the sport and the driving is very aggressive. Not all racing AI's should be the same. Opened wheel racing has very little contact, Nascar has more contact/bumps/etc. and GT racing is by far the most aggressive and therefore shouldn't be compared to GPL AI. -Tim > Unfortunately, SCGT AI is horrible (much like every other racer since GPL). > It should be AS, "Artificial Stupidity". These guys are dumb. They pass > entering a corner. They pass in the middle of a corner. They pass any > damn place whether possible or not. They never respect your line. In fact, > I don't think the AI "knows" that there are other cars on the road. They > seemingly drive through you as if you're a ghost car. I'm fairly lucky > passing these guys. I usually pass without incident due to poor cornering > AI. Since they go through corners ridiculously slow I just sling shot past > them shorly after exiting a turn. I still get caught once in a while with a

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> side swipe or rear end hit out of nowhere. If they were trying to model > blind-folded drivers they were successful ;-). Ultimately, the crappy AI > makes the game unfulfilling bc, unlike GPL, I'm not satisfied beating such > "fake" AI. > -- > Joe Marques > > OK... I know I'm not a great sim racer, but I usually do pretty good > > against computer AI... until I got to the GT1 class in SCGT. Is it just > > me or do the computer guys in this class drive like complete a**holes?!? > > Running side by side thru a turn with them is virtually impossible since > > they dont seem to care that you're there and they take their normal line > > knocking me into a spin every time. They ram me off the track 9 times > > out of 10 during the start no matter how much I try to run & hide. The > > only time I can pass them cleanly is if they get knocked off course by > > someone in front of me... then I wish I could flip them off as I drive > > by, knowing they would do the same to me. Of course if I happen to > > bobble & they catch back up to me going into a corner they will > > certainly ram my ass and send me into the gravel. I swear I can see a > > middle finger sticking out of the driver side window as they pull away. > > If my head wasn't already shaved I would have pulled all my hair out by > > now. Am I alone with this problem, and if not, is there a patch or > > somethin' to fix it?!? > > Thanks (re-starting another race) > > Warlock!

I find that I MUST drive as agressively as the AI to get through the pack. If I wait till the AI "let" me pass, I finish last. It's fun to use a AI car as a moving wall to lean on while passing in a turn, and then watch them spin in my mirror. :D > If you've ever seen GT racing it is quite different then other racing. In > GT racing, vehicle collisions, spins, and sideswipes are very common and a > part of the sport and the driving is very aggressive. > Not all racing AI's should be the same. Opened wheel racing has very little > contact, Nascar has more contact/bumps/etc. and GT racing is by far the most

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> aggressive and therefore shouldn't be compared to GPL AI. > -Tim > > Unfortunately, SCGT AI is horrible (much like every other racer since > GPL). > > It should be AS, "Artificial Stupidity". These guys are dumb. They

pass > > entering a corner. They pass in the middle of a corner. They pass any > > damn place whether possible or not. They never respect your line. In > fact, > > I don't think the AI "knows" that there are other cars on the road. They > > seemingly drive through you as if you're a ghost car. I'm fairly lucky > > passing these guys. I usually pass without incident due to poor cornering > > AI. Since they go through corners ridiculously slow I just sling shot > past > > them shorly after exiting a turn. I still get caught once in a while with > a > > side swipe or rear end hit out of nowhere. If they were trying to model > > blind-folded drivers they were successful ;-). Ultimately, the crappy AI > > makes the game unfulfilling bc, unlike GPL, I'm not satisfied beating such

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> > "fake" AI. > > -- > > Joe Marques > > > OK... I know I'm not a great sim racer, but I usually do pretty good > > > against computer AI... until I got to the GT1 class in SCGT. Is it

just > > > me or do the computer guys in this class drive like complete a**holes?!? > > > Running side by side thru a turn with them is virtually impossible since > > > they dont seem to care that you're there and they take their normal line

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> > > knocking me into a spin every time. They ram me off the track 9 times > > > out of 10 during the start no matter how much I try to run & hide. The > > > only time I can pass them cleanly is if they get knocked off course by > > > someone in front of me... then I wish I could flip them off as I drive > > > by, knowing they would do the same to me. Of course if I happen to > > > bobble & they catch back up to me going into a corner they will > > > certainly ram my ass and send me into the gravel. I swear I can see a > > > middle finger sticking out of the driver side window as they pull

away. > > > If my head wasn't already shaved I would have pulled all my hair out by > > > now. Am I alone with this problem, and if not, is there a patch or > > > somethin' to fix it?!? > > > Thanks (re-starting another race) > > > Warlock!

www.gtinsider.com HH

Try [link lost in import] for***pits and everyother thing for SCGT :-)

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> Hello ! > I like to race any sim from the***pit - including SCGT. > There is a generic***pit that I use, I think its F5 for different views. > I was wondering if anyone knows of a web page that might carry different >***pits. > Thanxs ! > Jude R.

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Actually the AI is far better than you say. At least you don't get rammed from behind when the AI outbrake you - we all know what sim that happens in. Andrew. >Unfortunately, SCGT AI is horrible (much like every other racer since GPL). >It should be AS, "Artificial Stupidity". These guys are dumb. They pass >entering a corner. They pass in the middle of a corner. They pass any >damn place whether possible or not. They never respect your line. In fact, >I don't think the AI "knows" that there are other cars on the road. They >seemingly drive through you as if you're a ghost car. I'm fairly lucky >passing these guys. I usually pass without incident due to poor cornering >AI. Since they go through corners ridiculously slow I just sling shot past >them shorly after exiting a turn. I still get caught once in a while with a

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>side swipe or rear end hit out of nowhere. If they were trying to model >blind-folded drivers they were successful ;-). Ultimately, the crappy AI >makes the game unfulfilling bc, unlike GPL, I'm not satisfied beating such >"fake" AI. >-- >Joe Marques >> OK... I know I'm not a great sim racer, but I usually do pretty good >> against computer AI... until I got to the GT1 class in SCGT. Is it just >> me or do the computer guys in this class drive like complete a**holes?!? >> Running side by side thru a turn with them is virtually impossible since >> they dont seem to care that you're there and they take their normal line >> knocking me into a spin every time. They ram me off the track 9 times >> out of 10 during the start no matter how much I try to run & hide. The >> only time I can pass them cleanly is if they get knocked off course by >> someone in front of me... then I wish I could flip them off as I drive >> by, knowing they would do the same to me. Of course if I happen to >> bobble & they catch back up to me going into a corner they will >> certainly ram my ass and send me into the gravel. I swear I can see a >> middle finger sticking out of the driver side window as they pull away. >> If my head wasn't already shaved I would have pulled all my hair out by >> now. Am I alone with this problem, and if not, is there a patch or >> somethin' to fix it?!? >> Thanks (re-starting another race) >> Warlock!

I agree that GT racing is far more aggressive than open wheel, however, I still find the AI in SCGT stupid. I don't think the AI is modelling this aggressiveness when it simply fails to respect my racing line and cuts me off causing a severe crash, or taps my rear quarter entering a turn when I clearly have the lead and there is no room to pass inside. I watch the replays, it's the AI's fault most of the time. I still maintain it is poorly coded AI that just runs a race line routine and you must hope you are not in the way. I don't think the AI cars "see" your car and drive accordingly. Respecting the line of the other driver is a basic AI issue that was missed. I don't mind occassional positional fighting that is overly aggressive, this is constant disregard and stupidity and simply unrealistic. Just look at all the first lap crashes on turn 1 of Vegas. Almost every race there is a multi-car crash at turn one. I usually stay back and weave through the mayhem :-). -- Joe Marques > If you've ever seen GT racing it is quite different then other racing. In > GT racing, vehicle collisions, spins, and sideswipes are very common and a > part of the sport and the driving is very aggressive. > Not all racing AI's should be the same. Opened wheel racing has very little > contact, Nascar has more contact/bumps/etc. and GT racing is by far the most > aggressive and therefore shouldn't be compared to GPL AI. > -Tim > > Unfortunately, SCGT AI is horrible (much like every other racer since > GPL). > > It should be AS, "Artificial Stupidity". These guys are dumb. They pass > > entering a corner. They pass in the middle of a corner. They pass any > > damn place whether possible or not. They never respect your line. In > fact, > > I don't think the AI "knows" that there are other cars on the road. They > > seemingly drive through you as if you're a ghost car. I'm fairly lucky > > passing these guys. I usually pass without incident due to poor cornering > > AI. Since they go through corners ridiculously slow I just sling shot > past > > them shorly after exiting a turn. I still get caught once in a while with > a > > side swipe or rear end hit out of nowhere. If they were trying to model > > blind-folded drivers they were successful ;-). Ultimately, the crappy AI > > makes the game unfulfilling bc, unlike GPL, I'm not satisfied beating such > > "fake" AI. > > -- > > Joe Marques > > > OK... I know I'm not a great sim racer, but I usually do pretty good > > > against computer AI... until I got to the GT1 class in SCGT. Is it just > > > me or do the computer guys in this class drive like complete a**holes?!? > > > Running side by side thru a turn with them is virtually impossible since > > > they dont seem to care that you're there and they take their normal line > > > knocking me into a spin every time. They ram me off the track 9 times > > > out of 10 during the start no matter how much I try to run & hide. The > > > only time I can pass them cleanly is if they get knocked off course by > > > someone in front of me... then I wish I could flip them off as I drive > > > by, knowing they would do the same to me. Of course if I happen to > > > bobble & they catch back up to me going into a corner they will > > > certainly ram my ass and send me into the gravel. I swear I can see a > > > middle finger sticking out of the driver side window as they pull away. > > > If my head wasn't already shaved I would have pulled all my hair out by > > > now. Am I alone with this problem, and if not, is there a patch or > > > somethin' to fix it?!? > > > Thanks (re-starting another race) > > > Warlock!

Seriously ROFLOL only cause I've been there. I just picked up this game after a long layoff from race sims since Indycar days (read...lack of computer horsepower). I find it entertaining and challenging w/ the aggressiveness of the drivers. I just wish you could get more out of the garage (i.e. see more drastic results from tweaks, detailed fuel calculation, etc.). TR On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:23:26 -0400, "Matthew M. Lanzer"

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>OK... I know I'm not a great sim racer, but I usually do pretty good >against computer AI... until I got to the GT1 class in SCGT. Is it just >me or do the computer guys in this class drive like complete a**holes?!? >Running side by side thru a turn with them is virtually impossible since >they dont seem to care that you're there and they take their normal line >knocking me into a spin every time. They ram me off the track 9 times >out of 10 during the start no matter how much I try to run & hide. The >only time I can pass them cleanly is if they get knocked off course by >someone in front of me... then I wish I could flip them off as I drive >by, knowing they would do the same to me. Of course if I happen to >bobble & they catch back up to me going into a corner they will >certainly ram my ass and send me into the gravel. I swear I can see a >middle finger sticking out of the driver side window as they pull away. >If my head wasn't already shaved I would have pulled all my hair out by >now. Am I alone with this problem, and if not, is there a patch or >somethin' to fix it?!? >Thanks (re-starting another race) >Warlock!

Maybe they asked Paul Tracy to help with the AI programming<vbg>. don [|]-(_)-[|]

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>Seriously ROFLOL only cause I've been there. >I just picked up this game after a long layoff from race sims since >Indycar days (read...lack of computer horsepower). I find it >entertaining and challenging w/ the aggressiveness of the drivers. I >just wish you could get more out of the garage (i.e. see more drastic >results from tweaks, detailed fuel calculation, etc.). >TR >On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:23:26 -0400, "Matthew M. Lanzer" >>OK... I know I'm not a great sim racer, but I usually do pretty good >>against computer AI... until I got to the GT1 class in SCGT. Is it just >>me or do the computer guys in this class drive like complete a**holes?!? >>Running side by side thru a turn with them is virtually impossible since >>they dont seem to care that you're there and they take their normal line >>knocking me into a spin every time. They ram me off the track 9 times >>out of 10 during the start no matter how much I try to run & hide. The >>only time I can pass them cleanly is if they get knocked off course by >>someone in front of me... then I wish I could flip them off as I drive >>by, knowing they would do the same to me. Of course if I happen to >>bobble & they catch back up to me going into a corner they will >>certainly ram my ass and send me into the gravel. I swear I can see a >>middle finger sticking out of the driver side window as they pull away. >>If my head wasn't already shaved I would have pulled all my hair out by >>now. Am I alone with this problem, and if not, is there a patch or >>somethin' to fix it?!? >>Thanks (re-starting another race) >>Warlock!