SPIRIT OF SPEED 1937 MONZA BANKING SCREENSHOTS HERE

SPIRIT OF SPEED 1937 http://www.broadsword.co.uk/currentparent.htm

Interesting, but why is there a big pile of earth round the banking in this screenshot http://www.broadsword.co.uk/ingame10.htm I know racing was dangerous in those days, but.... :-) - Michael

Ecclestone's granddad?? ;-) Jan. ------

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><snip> >Interesting, but why is there a big pile of earth round the banking in >this screenshot >http://www.broadsword.co.uk/ingame10.htm >I know racing was dangerous in those days, but.... :-) >- Michael

>Interesting, but why is there a big pile of earth round the banking in >this screenshot This is a side effect of the Matrox G400's "environmental bump mapping". Martin Nigel Mansell RIP!

Isn't that a "Fantasy Monza" ? I have never seen those big pillars at Monza around the banking. Neither in historical video or in Grand Prix, the movie. The historical footage I've seen goes back to the early 40's, so maybe they really was such pillars at Monza. The only interesting screenshot is the third one, with more accurate tyre width. I wonder where those driver got their 1990 Pirelli tyres. It really looks like the MGPRS2 retro-mode, btw. From the***pit looks to the font of the text to the flashy cartoony palette :) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

It's the temporary chicane that was inserted.

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> > SPIRIT OF SPEED 1937 > > http://www.broadsword.co.uk/currentparent.htm > Interesting, but why is there a big pile of earth round the banking in > this screenshot > http://www.broadsword.co.uk/ingame10.htm > I know racing was dangerous in those days, but.... :-) > - Michael

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> I have never seen those big pillars at Monza around the banking. Neither in > historical video or in Grand Prix, the movie. The historical footage I've > seen goes back to the early 40's, so maybe they really was such pillars at > Monza. The only interesting screenshot is the third one, with more accurate > tyre width. > I wonder where those driver got their 1990 Pirelli tyres. It really looks > like the MGPRS2 retro-mode, btw. From the***pit looks to the font of the > text to the flashy cartoony palette :)

Also I don't think the Auto-Unions and Mercedes pre-war silver cars ever raced at Brooklands. Looks like they're going for a racing game "in the style" of the 30's - Michael

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>> SPIRIT OF SPEED 1937 >> http://www.broadsword.co.uk/currentparent.htm >Interesting, but why is there a big pile of earth round the banking in >this screenshot >http://www.broadsword.co.uk/ingame10.htm >I know racing was dangerous in those days, but.... :-) >- Michael

This link shows the 1938 Monza layout, http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/images/trk_monza.jpg As you can see there is a chicane 2/3s of the way around the banking, I guess that's the pile of dirt. Peter Holt

In Donington they did race. That should definately be included. T!

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> >> SPIRIT OF SPEED 1937 > >> http://www.broadsword.co.uk/currentparent.htm > >Interesting, but why is there a big pile of earth round the banking in > >this screenshot > >http://www.broadsword.co.uk/ingame10.htm > >I know racing was dangerous in those days, but.... :-) > >- Michael > This link shows the 1938 Monza layout, > http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/images/trk_monza.jpg > As you can see there is a chicane 2/3s of the way around the banking, > I guess that's the pile of dirt.

And I always thought the "Mickey Mouse" chicane was a modern invention, which reached its zenith with the infamous pile o'tires seen at Barcelona following Senna's death. - Michael

Looking very slick. >SPIRIT OF SPEED 1937 >http://www.broadsword.co.uk/currentparent.htm Joe McGinn ========================================== Staff Writer for the Sports *** Network [link lost in import: /***.com/] ==========================================

: And I always thought the "Mickey Mouse" chicane was a modern invention, : which reached its zenith with the infamous pile o'tires seen at Barcelona : following Senna's death. reminds me of something james hunt said once, during commentating on a gp. he called someone (who i guess was notorious for not letting people lap him) a 'mobile chicane'. anyone know who he was talking about? also, just to make things easier, may not have been james hunt who said it :-) martin. --

John Watson about Pierre Luigi Martini (sp?) in the Minardi/Ford during 1994 Hungarian GP? -- All the best, Edwin Solheim *remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply* The Paddock - a legendary site.... <http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock>

My $ 0.02 goes toward Andrea DeCesaris. Christian Giroux.

Jochen Mass? -- Cheers! Graeme Nash http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk ICQ# 11257824

For sure, they used to call this way Arnoux in his last season, when he was driving a Ligier (if I'm right). But I think it was used for many pilots :-) -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Home-page : http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7917 Il sito di ISF1mod : http://www.blissett.com/isf1/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------

: : And I always thought the "Mickey Mouse" chicane was a modern invention, : : which reached its zenith with the infamous pile o'tires seen at Barcelona : : following Senna's death. : reminds me of something james hunt said once, during commentating on a : gp. he called someone (who i guess was notorious for not letting : people lap him) a 'mobile chicane'. anyone know who he was talking about? : also, just to make things easier, may not have been james hunt who : said it :-) It's certainly been said many many times on UK commentary over the past few years. Particularly of anyone driving a Minardi. Couldn't help you with who first said it though. -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York. www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html

I think on http://members.home.net/f1gallery there is a funny sound clip of Murray Walker going mad when Arnoux took Berger out of the lead at Adelaide 1988 :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk ICQ# 11257824

moving chicane? 'king Hiro, of course On Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:22:19 -0400, "Christian Giroux" >My $ 0.02 goes toward Andrea DeCesaris. >Christian Giroux. To email me remove the "u"s

No.....the saying has been around much longer than 5 years. I recall hearing this term back in the 1980s, at least. > John Watson about Pierre Luigi Martini (sp?) in the Minardi/Ford during 1994

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> Hungarian GP? > -- > All the best, > Edwin Solheim *remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply* > The Paddock - a legendary site.... > <http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock> > > : And I always thought the "Mickey Mouse" chicane was a modern

invention,

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> > : which reached its zenith with the infamous pile o'tires seen at > Barcelona > > : following Senna's death. > > reminds me of something james hunt said once, during commentating on a > > gp. he called someone (who i guess was notorious for not letting > > people lap him) a 'mobile chicane'. anyone know who he was talking > about? > > also, just to make things easier, may not have been james hunt who > > said it :-) > > martin. > > --

So to summarise: you would like to which unknown personality was talking about an unknown driver at a race you don't know in a year you can't remember? :) Seriously, the saying has been around as long as I remember and has been used to describe everyone from Gianni Lavaggi to Damon Hill. M

I have a vague memory of Wattie on Eurosport using the expression regarding Olivier Grouillard. Stefan Martin Portman skrev:

> No.....the saying has been around much longer than 5 years. I recall > hearing this term back in the 1980s, at least. Believe I heard it the first time on the (?) 83 F1 review video, with the Brilliant aussie Clive James commenting fom Imola. Matt

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> > John Watson about Pierre Luigi Martini (sp?) in the Minardi/Ford during > 1994 > > Hungarian GP? > > -- > > All the best, > > Edwin Solheim *remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply* > > The Paddock - a legendary site.... > > <http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock> > > > : And I always thought the "Mickey Mouse" chicane was a modern > invention, > > > : which reached its zenith with the infamous pile o'tires seen at > > Barcelona > > > : following Senna's death. > > > reminds me of something james hunt said once, during commentating on a > > > gp. he called someone (who i guess was notorious for not letting > > > people lap him) a 'mobile chicane'. anyone know who he was talking > > about? > > > also, just to make things easier, may not have been james hunt who > > > said it :-) > > > martin. > > > --

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With Clive James doing the commentary it would have to be '82, '84 or '86. I haven't watched any of those vids for a while but I'd guess it's the 1982 one and he's referring to the Toleman. "The Toleman - a mobile chicane with the power to weight ratio of the Barbican arts centre" "The Toleman - a car for David Coleman" etc... -- Cheers! Graeme Nash http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk ICQ# 11257824 "Keyboard error or no keyboard attached. Press F1 for help"

By jingoes, by crikey...I believe that's when I first heard the term also, Matt! Thanks for jogging the memory banks :o)

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> > No.....the saying has been around much longer than 5 years. I recall > > hearing this term back in the 1980s, at least. > Believe I heard it the first time on the (?) 83 F1 review video, with the > Brilliant aussie Clive James commenting fom Imola. > Matt > > > John Watson about Pierre Luigi Martini (sp?) in the Minardi/Ford

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> > 1994 > > > Hungarian GP? > > > -- > > > All the best, > > > Edwin Solheim *remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply* > > > The Paddock - a legendary site.... > > > <http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock> > > > > : And I always thought the "Mickey Mouse" chicane was a modern > > invention, > > > > : which reached its zenith with the infamous pile o'tires seen at > > > Barcelona > > > > : following Senna's death. > > > > reminds me of something james hunt said once, during commentating on

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> > > > gp. he called someone (who i guess was notorious for not letting > > > > people lap him) a 'mobile chicane'. anyone know who he was talking > > > about? > > > > also, just to make things easier, may not have been james hunt who > > > > said it :-) > > > > martin. > > > > -- > -- > --------------------------------- > Matthew Birger Knutsen > The Art of Legends; > http://www.gpl.electra.no > Cheek Racing Cars; > http://www.cheekracing.electra.no

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> By jingoes, by crikey...I believe that's when I first heard the term also, > Matt! Thanks for jogging the memory banks :o) Hehe, come to think of it, another brilliant Clive James quote from the Brands race of ....errm, 85? 82? When two drivers fighting for the lead come up to lap Andrea De Cesaris.... "Some said it was a case of two brains against one, some said the odds were even greater". He also referred to De Cesaris as an "incurable featherhead". <g> Aw, I miss his comments, F1 certainly was a bit less uptight in those days...

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> > > No.....the saying has been around much longer than 5 years. I recall > > > hearing this term back in the 1980s, at least. > > Believe I heard it the first time on the (?) 83 F1 review video, with the > > Brilliant aussie Clive James commenting fom Imola. > > Matt > > > > John Watson about Pierre Luigi Martini (sp?) in the Minardi/Ford > during > > > 1994 > > > > Hungarian GP? > > > > -- > > > > All the best, > > > > Edwin Solheim *remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply* > > > > The Paddock - a legendary site.... > > > > <http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock> > > > > > : And I always thought the "Mickey Mouse" chicane was a modern > > > invention, > > > > > : which reached its zenith with the infamous pile o'tires seen at > > > > Barcelona > > > > > : following Senna's death. > > > > > reminds me of something james hunt said once, during commentating on > a > > > > > gp. he called someone (who i guess was notorious for not letting > > > > > people lap him) a 'mobile chicane'. anyone know who he was talking > > > > about? > > > > > also, just to make things easier, may not have been james hunt who > > > > > said it :-) > > > > > martin. > > > > > -- > > -- > > --------------------------------- > > Matthew Birger Knutsen > > The Art of Legends; > > http://www.gpl.electra.no > > Cheek Racing Cars; > > http://www.cheekracing.electra.no > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! > ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

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